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View Poll Results: Which suspension kit?
Feal 441 Coilover Kit 23 69.70%
Fortune Auto 500 Series Coilovers 5 15.15%
ST Suspension Part No. 90402 5 15.15%
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Old 08-27-2013, 07:02 PM   #1
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I wanted to pick some brains and get some feedback from users who have had either one of the suspension systems listed below. After researching and reading I've come down to these choices and wanted to know if any of you feel one is truly better than the other. I have a 2004 Subaru Impreza STi and these are the three kits that I have decided would fit the bill of spirited DD and maybe a track day here and there.

Feal 441 Coilover kit- $1350 not shipped

Fortune Auto 500 Series Coilover kit- $1200 not shipped

ST Coilover Kit Part No. 90402- $1220.99

Prices were taken from the direct website. Thanks for the help.
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Old 08-28-2013, 06:27 AM   #2
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It will depend upon what kind of damping you want.

Fortune is a pretty comfy damping profile, very low compression, high rebound, like stock. The digressive profile will offer good chassis control yet still offering a lot of bump compliance.

Feal has provided damping for their inserts, but I don't know how they've speced the coilover kit. If it's similar, and I don't know, it may have higher compression damping and a profile more like the stock STI. Again I'm only guessing, but this would provide a firmer ride, more impact over bumps but improved handling responsiveness and better control during harder use. Frankly, I would just contact Feal and inquire. They may also provide custom damping profiles at some additional cost.

I'm trying to recall if there have been any ST dyno plots floating around. I know there's some info around, but I'm not in the mood to dig for it.

It is also useful to know how much suspension travel each product offers. 6" of available travel versus 4" of available travel is kind of a big deal.
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Thanks for the great reply. I saw that the suspension travel was an issue on the Feal's as it didn't have enough travel. The ST's have height adjustablility but they seem to be more of a performance system and not really for giving a "slammed" look, which is fine by me. The roads in NY are not "slam friendly" to say the least. The Feal and Fortune are a complete system with top hats whereas the ST reuses the stock top hats. Decisions decisions.

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It will depend upon what kind of damping you want.

Fortune is a pretty comfy damping profile, very low compression, high rebound, like stock. The digressive profile will offer good chassis control yet still offering a lot of bump compliance.

Feal has provided damping for their inserts, but I don't know how they've speced the coilover kit. If it's similar, and I don't know, it may have higher compression damping and a profile more like the stock STI. Again I'm only guessing, but this would provide a firmer ride, more impact over bumps but improved handling responsiveness and better control during harder use. Frankly, I would just contact Feal and inquire. They may also provide custom damping profiles at some additional cost.

I'm trying to recall if there have been any ST dyno plots floating around. I know there's some info around, but I'm not in the mood to dig for it.

It is also useful to know how much suspension travel each product offers. 6" of available travel versus 4" of available travel is kind of a big deal.
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You should email both Fortune and Feal regarding the suspension travel and usable stroke. I would imagine Feal would have more travel and usable stroke especially with the springs they use. Speaking of which, another thing to keep in mind is that the Feals come with Swift springs while you have to pay more with the Fortunes for the Swift upgrade.
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:05 AM   #5
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Good points and advice, thanks.

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You should email both Fortune and Feal regarding the suspension travel and usable stroke. I would imagine Feal would have more travel and usable stroke especially with the springs they use. Speaking of which, another thing to keep in mind is that the Feals come with Swift springs while you have to pay more with the Fortunes for the Swift upgrade.
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I can't offer much knowledge on ST's, but on Feals, have a two buddies with them. One has a '12 STi hatch and the other with a 2007 STi. They both are very impressed with them and have nothing, but nice things to say about Odi, the owner, and his product.

I personally bought Fortune Auto 500's for my 2007 STi. I purchased them from import image who had the best price! Much cheaper than retail! I did not get the swifts and don't regret a single choice.

I purchased 9k front/8k rear. Considering those rates being fairly high for a DD, the ride is very bearable and smooth. I was expecting it to be much rougher, but it is much nicer than stock and the speeds I can take corners at now far surpasses what i could do on my struts.
I lowered my car about 2 inches all the way around.

Fortunes are all shock dyno'd after build and if you ever need those charts to check your hysteresis or rebound, all you need to do is call them up with your serial no. and they will send you your charts. Not even some bigger companies do things like that.

Fortune has always been very pleasant to speak with and I've heard some very incredible stories regarding their customer service.

PM me if you want more of a review on my Fortunes. I've had them for about 4k miles now.







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Old 08-28-2013, 11:18 AM   #7
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Awesome looking ride (love the roof vent) and thanks for the pics. The comparison between stock and the Fortunes shows how much space you actually save with this kit. I'm currently reading through the 20+ page of the Feal's and they are looking better and better. I will be sending you a PM about the Fortunes as a hands on experience is always the best review. Thanks for sharing!
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Of those three talk to Feal.
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Of course, any time!

Everyone is going to have their opinions and such. With having some friends with Feals I was going to get them, but felt that 7k/5k was too soft for what I want my car to do and I did not like the 2k spring gap front to back; I wanted it closer to help reduce understeer. (the plague of AWD)

The choice of spring rate and custom valving on the Fortunes was a huge plus for me.
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Yeah, actual dyno plots is a very rare thing with most companies. There's a LOT of respect for companies willing to do this. Custom valving and spring choices are a big deal.
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On those Fortune Auto's, where is the droop? Those pics speak volumes, especially when on those jackstands.
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How much travel do those Fortunes have?

Not enough it seems (not nearly enough).

Feal would be my choice.
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Wow, does your car 3 wheel it often? Not that there's anything wrong with it, but when I was running Tein Flex on my MR2 the inside front wheel would routinely come off the ground on moderately tight banked corners. For sure my coilovers had more travel.
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Some great input on this thread. Thanks everyone! I'm getting in contact with both Feal and Fortune to get some more details about the kits. So far majority of people are voting for Feal. Odi is a great guy and I can't wait to talk to him and the R&D at Fortune is pretty stellar. ST seems to be more of a here you go type of deal as they are the sister company to KW so their parts are the same but the materials are not as good as KW. Thanks again everyone and please keep it coming.
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I 3-wheel, but I wouldn't say often, only when turning into steep banked driveways, but not on aggressive turns.

There really isn't much droop! I really don't have to jack the car high at all to get the wheel off the ground.
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Here is a shot for comparison. This is the amount of droop on stock struts.

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It might be easier for us to see it like this.

I think you have lost lots of travel.
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Well, when everyone likes their car lowered, that's what you get. You get a lot of companies making coilovers that are several inches shorter than oem with several inches less stroke. You get a pretty stiff spring, so it operates well within the lower range of travel , offering good stiffness and roll resistance, and of the spring + sway package is set up right, the car should hopefully roll pretty even and not lift a tire.

Even with a lot of stroke, you can still end up lifting tires on a poor setup. It's just the longer the stroke and softer the suspension, the harder it is to do.

One thing to note about the droop is that you also have to figure out how far up the suspension goes too. If you lose 2" in droop but the suspension compresses 1" higher up into the fender, you only lost 1" of overall travel. Shorter coilovers will inherently have shorter stroke.

I wonder if Fortune Auto manufactures their own shalves and bodies. I'd be curious about a long body 8" to 10" stroke unit for off-road use, yum.
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I wonder if Fortune Auto manufactures their own shalves and bodies. I'd be curious about a long body 8" to 10" stroke unit for off-road use, yum.
From what I know, Fortune Auto designs and assembles all their suspension in the USA, but they have a manufacturer in another country that physically cnc's and makes the hard parts, which have a 5 year warranty on.

Fortune auto uses a 50 mm shock piston unlike other suspension companies that use a 46mm piston which makes the shock body MUCH larger than the competitors. Also more oil in the bodies as well.

I would have to agree with your expertise in saying that, though it looks like I lost a tremendous deal of travel, I feel that what I lost was EXCESS travel.
On these coilovers, body roll honestly is close to none existent. I have an autocross event on these and there wasn't once where any wheel lifted off the ground. Only time I have lift off, is like I previously stated when I go up a steep incline driveway.

I dont see having more travel than what the fortunes have being beneficial to me in any way, then again what do I know, I'm no engineer.

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Heres a Fortune Auto promo ad.

This shows their body diameter with the 50mm piston compared to BC with their 46mm piston.

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From what I know, Fortune Auto designs and assembles all their suspension in the USA, but they have a manufacturer in another country that physically cnc's and makes the hard parts, which have a 5 year warranty on.

Fortune auto uses a 50 mm shock piston unlike other suspension companies that use a 46mm piston which makes the shock body MUCH larger than the competitors. Also more oil in the bodies as well.

I would have to agree with your expertise in saying that, though it looks like I lost a tremendous deal of travel, I feel that what I lost was EXCESS travel.
On these coilovers, body roll honestly is close to none existent. I have an autocross event on these and there wasn't once where any wheel lifted off the ground. Only time I have lift off, is like I previously stated when I go up a steep incline driveway.

I dont see having more travel than what the fortunes have being beneficial to me in any way, then again what do I know, I'm no engineer.
Limited travel can and does work on smoother roads and most track/auto-x types of driving.

For my needs and I would guess most normal driving needs, more travel is what is needed. The roads I like to drive on are quite bumpy and with limited travel I would actually need to slow down.
Riding on bumpstops sucks to put it simply.

Perhaps BackRoadRunner can describe it better than I. He usually does it better than most.
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Its better to have suspension travel if its a daily driver. It puts less fatigue on the components and transitions better from turn to turn.
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:01 AM   #23
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Out in AZ, 80% of our roads and highways are brand new. So there's no potholes or crazy bumps, which we are extremely lucky for. The only bad roads we have are in Phoenix. The oldest city in AZ. Ahah. That's where having coils sucks, but I'm never in Phoenix.
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I see where you guys are coming from though for sure. I don't doubt you in any way and feel that travel is an important aspect of suspension geometry.

I used to professionally race r/c cars. If you haven't heard of this hobby before or you haven't gotten into it like the r/c racers do, it's kind of hard to grasp and believe, but everything on an r/c car is setup like a real car and every bit matters.
You can set droop, travel, Ackerman, caster, camber, anti-roll bar, spring rate, shock oil, shock piston dampening, ect. Ect. It's crazy.
Reason I brought that up is I know the importance of travel, especially racing them off-road, jumping them going through bumps, you want to find the best setup with suspension that will help you with having soft enough suspension to go through the bumps, but still being stiff enough to make corners and not flat bottom on jumps.

With that said, I know a thing or three about suspension geometry.
To a conclusion, the fortunes are not for DD for sure. They participate heavily in global time attack and drifting.
I'm sure they could use more travel for a dd coilover, but in my case, daily driving in AZ, not a single issue.
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you can't knock fortune auto. their products are great and their customer service is even better
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