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Old 06-04-2014, 12:08 PM   #51
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and solar panels can charge said EV in a couple hours
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:32 PM   #52
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The real problem is California. I say, don't cater to them.

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We've always been a problem for the rest of the US/World.
There's pros and cons all day long to compare.
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Well, if they didn't buy so many fricken cars, nobody would cater to them.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:46 PM   #54
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Just because they buy the cars doesn't mean they need to make dumb legislation.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:50 PM   #55
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Just because they buy the cars doesn't mean they need to make dumb legislation.
If only we could solve that problem...
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Old 06-17-2014, 08:32 PM   #56
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Once batery power reaches a point where most EVs can go 300 miles on a charge and solar panels can charge said EV in a couple hours I would love an electric Wrangler.

Instant torque an if you're foolish enough to drive until empty in the middle of nowhere, all you'd have to do is take lunch and explore on foot for a bit and you could come back to a ready to go vehicle.
I'd be down for a Wrangler plug-in hybrid. Run on the gas motor to your off road destination of choice and then switch to electric for some extra peaceful wilderness exploration. Unfortunately Chrysler is the one company that has said FU to EVs. I don't think an all EV Wrangler would work though sadly.
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:23 PM   #57
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I'd be down for a Wrangler plug-in hybrid. Run on the gas motor to your off road destination of choice and then switch to electric for some extra peaceful wilderness exploration. Unfortunately Chrysler is the one company that has said FU to EVs. I don't think an all EV Wrangler would work though sadly.
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:38 PM   #58
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Ever wonder what happens to an electric cars batteries and motor when it goes through a real deep puddle?
http://www.imaginelifestyles.com/lux...e-during-sandy

16 Fisker Luxury Hybrids Explode During Sandy

Fisker luxury hybrids have experience bad Karma once again, thanks to Mother Nature! When hurricane Sandy ripped across the east coast, she left a fleet of Fisker Karma hybrids in her wake that apparently simply exploded during the storm! According to Fisker, one Karma caught fire after the saltwater left a corrosive residue on the control unit, which eventually shorted and burst into flames. That fire is said to have spread to the other 15 cars, which survived the surge without combusting.

Fisker Luxury Hybrids Explode

Fisker Karma

The stricken lot was brimming with 16 Fisker Karma hybrid cars, waiting to fill the demand of upscale drivers seeking a greener pasture. Those drivers are now going to have to wait, because these cars are a total loss! All 16 Karmas caught fire after being flooded by the storm surge. True to the competitive nature of luxury carmakers, Fisker pointed out that many other vehicles also caught fire, including several Prius cars.

Fisker Luxury Hybrids ExplodeThe pricey luxury hybrids were perched dockside in Port Newark, NJ. The fleet had just been unloaded after arriving from Finland. Each car is worth around $100,000 USD.

Fisker Karmas explode

Fisker addressed the issue with a statement saying that no one had been injured and that the plug-in cars were unplugged at the time. It will be a bit before insurance adjusters and such will have access to the area for a full investigation.

Fisker Karmas explode

Hearing about a Fisker Karma catching fire brought back the memories! Remember the one that burst into flames in a Texas homeowner’s garage? There was another Karma in California that spontaneously caught fire in a grocery parking lot. No, neither Fisker belonged to Leonardo DiCaprio or Justin Bieber, who both own one.

Fisker Karmas explode

Dear Fisker: Install a fire extinguisher in each car when a recall occurs and in future production models.

Fisker Karmas explode

A Fisker fire

Fisker Karmas explode

A Fisker caught fire in a Texas garage
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Old 06-18-2014, 12:11 AM   #59
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Ever wonder what happens to an electric cars batteries and motor when it goes through a real deep puddle?
http://www.imaginelifestyles.com/lux...e-during-sandy

16 Fisker Luxury Hybrids Explode During Sandy

Fisker luxury hybrids have experience bad Karma once again, thanks to Mother Nature! When hurricane Sandy ripped across the east coast, she left a fleet of Fisker Karma hybrids in her wake that apparently simply exploded during the storm! According to Fisker, one Karma caught fire after the saltwater left a corrosive residue on the control unit, which eventually shorted and burst into flames. That fire is said to have spread to the other 15 cars, which survived the surge without combusting.

Fisker Luxury Hybrids Explode

Fisker Karma

The stricken lot was brimming with 16 Fisker Karma hybrid cars, waiting to fill the demand of upscale drivers seeking a greener pasture. Those drivers are now going to have to wait, because these cars are a total loss! All 16 Karmas caught fire after being flooded by the storm surge. True to the competitive nature of luxury carmakers, Fisker pointed out that many other vehicles also caught fire, including several Prius cars.

Fisker Luxury Hybrids ExplodeThe pricey luxury hybrids were perched dockside in Port Newark, NJ. The fleet had just been unloaded after arriving from Finland. Each car is worth around $100,000 USD.

Fisker Karmas explode

Fisker addressed the issue with a statement saying that no one had been injured and that the plug-in cars were unplugged at the time. It will be a bit before insurance adjusters and such will have access to the area for a full investigation.

Fisker Karmas explode

Hearing about a Fisker Karma catching fire brought back the memories! Remember the one that burst into flames in a Texas homeowner’s garage? There was another Karma in California that spontaneously caught fire in a grocery parking lot. No, neither Fisker belonged to Leonardo DiCaprio or Justin Bieber, who both own one.

Fisker Karmas explode

Dear Fisker: Install a fire extinguisher in each car when a recall occurs and in future production models.

Fisker Karmas explode

A Fisker fire

Fisker Karmas explode

A Fisker caught fire in a Texas garage
Dude, we ****ing get it. You don't like electric cars. Fine. But stop spamming this thread with your little agenda driven turds. You can't generalize about an entire car design because one brand had some problems. It's like arguing the internal combustion engine is a bad idea because of GM's recalls. Do you think before you touch your keyboard?
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Dude, we ****ing get it. You don't like electric cars. Fine. But stop spamming this thread with your little agenda driven turds. You can't generalize about an entire car design because one brand had some problems. It's like arguing the internal combustion engine is a bad idea because of GM's recalls. Do you think before you touch your keyboard?
brainfreeze.
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Old 06-18-2014, 01:51 AM   #61
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Dude, we ****ing get it. You don't like electric cars. Fine. But stop spamming this thread with your little agenda driven turds. You can't generalize about an entire car design because one brand had some problems. It's like arguing the internal combustion engine is a bad idea because of GM's recalls. Do you think before you touch your keyboard?
I don't think he realizes a Fisher Karma isn't the same as a Tesla. That right there is the line between stubborn dumbass who won't listen to anyone or anything and a stubborn dumbass who only logged onto NABISCO to rant and vent.
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Old 06-18-2014, 03:36 AM   #62
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Old 06-18-2014, 12:07 PM   #63
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:36 PM   #64
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The article fails to mention that the 50,000 plug-in electric vehicle purchases from 2011–2012 are probably the reason they are now "cheaper."

It's very difficult for consumers and even the media to see that without initial adopters of any new technology, that technology would probably fail and never see the light of day thereafter. If no one purchased an electric vehicle when they initially were available, companies would see that there wasn't any interest and no money to be made, blow it off and continue along making gasoline/diesel vehicles for another 25+ years. They may have spent triple what consumers are paying today but they are certain pioneers who paved the way for everyone else.
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Dude, we ****ing get it. You don't like electric cars. Fine. But stop spamming this thread with your little agenda driven turds. You can't generalize about an entire car design because one brand had some problems. It's like arguing the internal combustion engine is a bad idea because of GM's recalls. Do you think before you touch your keyboard?
His dumbass article also fails to acknowledge that any car flooded out by a hurricane storm-surge is going to be a total loss either way. A fire after the fact is, quite literally, irrelevant at that point. The cars were not headed anywhere but the scrap heap anyway.

Of course, "Fire ruins 16 already totalled cars" isn't nearly as snappy a headline as "16 Fisker Luxury Hybrids Explode During Sandy". Which itself is still untrue, since the article admits that only 1 car had an issue, and the resulting fire simply spread to the other 15.
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The article fails to mention that the 50,000 plug-in electric vehicle purchases from 2011–2012 are probably the reason they are now "cheaper."

It's very difficult for consumers and even the media to see that without initial adopters of any new technology, that technology would probably fail and never see the light of day thereafter. If no one purchased an electric vehicle when they initially were available, companies would see that there wasn't any interest and no money to be made, blow it off and continue along making gasoline/diesel vehicles for another 25+ years. They may have spent triple what consumers are paying today but they are certain pioneers who paved the way for everyone else.
Yup. If no one had bought internal combustion cars initially, they never would have taken off. It's the same with all new technology. Also, the same idiot arguments are used to block infrastructure spending. "Let the market decide what infrastructure is needed!" Okay, dumbass, guess what: without initial investment in supporting infrastructure, we wouldn't have electric outlets to plug anything into, or gas stations, freeways, or anything else that would never have been able to stand on its own in a purely market-driven world. These right-wing dumb****s are too busy slavering at the alter of Ayn Rand to see the reality that everything exists at an optimal balance between public and private interests.
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Calm down and catch your breath man.. geese.

While you are at it, Stop stereotyping all right wingers as the same. It is political racism.

Everybody agrees that reality is a balance between public and private interests. It has always been that way.

Where right and left wing fans disagree on is where that balance lies. Really. It is not any more complicated than that. Stop taking everything so personal
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There is that little freedom law of supply and demand. In spite of up to $7500. Govt incentive people choose not to buy these cars. Would you all like them forced on the public now?
YES I'm the guy who said Fisker would never make it since day one
YES I'm the person who said a hatchback STI would not make it.
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Calm down and catch your breath man.. geese.

While you are at it, Stop stereotyping all right wingers as the same. It is political racism.

Everybody agrees that reality is a balance between public and private interests. It has always been that way.

Where right and left wing fans disagree on is where that balance lies. Really. It is not any more complicated than that. Stop taking everything so personal
Where did I stereotype all right wingers being the same? I know you're not all irrational, and I never implied so. I'm a regular reader of David Brooks, Kathleen Parker, and George Will, even agreeing with them from time to time. I was specifically calling out the stupid ones and their stupid, ignorant arguments.

Also, how is getting irritated by derp taking something personally? He never personally attacked me, and I never interpreted it as such.
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There is that little freedom law of supply and demand. In spite of up to $7500. Govt incentive people choose not to buy these cars. Would you all like them forced on the public now?
YES I'm the guy who said Fisker would never make it since day one
YES I'm the person who said a hatchback STI would not make it.
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Where did I stereotype all right wingers being the same? I know you're not all irrational, and I never implied so. I'm a regular reader of David Brooks, Kathleen Parker, and George Will, even agreeing with them from time to time. I was specifically calling out the stupid ones and their stupid, ignorant arguments.

Also, how is getting irritated by derp taking something personally? He never personally attacked me, and I never interpreted it as such.
These right-wing dumb****s are too busy slavering at the alter of Ayn Rand to see the reality that everything exists at an optimal balance between public and private interests

Sounds like a blanket statement to all right wingers to me not just one or one group.

If one would have put liberal or progressive in that sentence, all would be up in arms. Lets be fair.

I believe you may have meant just the stupid ones, but what you meant and what you wrote are not the same.

just say'n....

All I have to go by is what you wrote. I cannot read your mind bud.

moving on........
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Indeed, I meant the stupid ones. I apologize if that wasn't clear. I don't think there's a difference between what I wrote and what I meant, but I do see how someone could interpret it to be a blanket statement.
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Well then I agree, the extreme right wing whackos are as much a problem as the extreme left wing whacko.

Now we can argue over what makes up extreme, or we can just shake hands as fellow Americans and have a beer.
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Well then I agree, the extreme right wing whackos are as much a problem as the extreme left wing whacko.

Now we can argue over what makes up extreme, or we can just shake hands as fellow Americans and have a beer.
I disagree that there is equivalent whacko-ness on the left, at least in quantity. Yes, there are uninformed idiots on both sides, but the sheer number of them on the right, particularly in positions of political influence, hugely outweighs the other side. You, of course, may disagree, and you are entitled to your opinion.

And you would be wrong.

*offers beer* Porter, right?
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At no point would I (and perhaps Balantz as well) ever consider Scrappydo to be an Ayn Rand alter worshipper.

I feel that sometimes we have a lot of incorrect assumptions about how we feel / view each other.
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