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Old 09-29-2013, 03:10 PM   #26
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Which mean he's going to be going faster than he is now on a consistent basis.....
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Old 09-29-2013, 03:19 PM   #27
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Which mean he's going to be going faster than he is now on a consistent basis.....
Which should still be within the range the brakes are specified for? Pretty sure the brakes are engineered to handle intermittent speeds up to 140mph. If you're regularly going 140mph and braking hard then sure. Otherwise you're fine with the brakes you have.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:07 PM   #28
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Which should still be within the range the brakes are specified for? Pretty sure the brakes are engineered to handle intermittent speeds up to 140mph. If you're regularly going 140mph and braking hard then sure. Otherwise you're fine with the brakes you have.
Man you are dumb. Why would they make 6 piston brakes, 4 piston brakes, etc... You obviously just learned about momentum and I inertia. You need to learn your facts about cars, physics, and engineering. Everything you have said so far is totally wrong
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:16 PM   #30
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Man you are dumb. Why would they make 6 piston brakes, 4 piston brakes, etc... You obviously just learned about momentum and I inertia. You need to learn your facts about cars, physics, and engineering. Everything you have said so far is totally wrong
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:21 PM   #31
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lol im actually a motorsports engineer. im fine on brakes right now. i have a good set of pads, lines and fluid. this isnt a track car by any means. i have a track bike (05 r6) that fills my need for speed.

i was just asking about the subaru because im not 100% familiar with upgrading this platform. i figure 300~ is safeish as many people go that route. realistically im not going to use the car to even close to its full potential. if something happends i guess ill just get a new shortblock
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lol im actually a motorsports engineer. im fine on brakes right now. i have a good set of pads, lines and fluid. this isnt a track car by any means. i have a track bike (05 r6) that fills my need for speed. i was just asking about the subaru because im not 100% familiar with upgrading this platform. i figure 300~ is safeish as many people go that route. realistically im not going to use the car to even close to its full potential. if something happends i guess ill just get a new shortblock
Why put money into it than? If you not going to drive the car to its potential, than why put those mods into it?
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:17 PM   #33
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This guy believes he's smart....
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This guy believes he's smart....
If the OP is only daily driving the car there's no need to upgrade brakes. If he's going 80mph in his stock car or 80mph in his 350whp car..he's going to stop in the same amount of time. If it's being built for a track then yeah you need better, bigger, more heat displacing brakes....
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:42 PM   #35
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It's all in the tune. A local tuner here that does a lot of local Subaru mechanic work as well as road tuning for years now has 250k on his vf30 IIRC. Block never opened. Smart parts choice, good tune, and diligent and proper maintenance and upkeep will work wonders.

I would just get a good checkup. Compression and leak down check. For good measure get an oil analysis. Black stone labs does it for $20. Can see if hidden problems may be lurking. After that go for it. Use good oil, change on time and fix any problems as they arise.

As far as brakes as lines, good fluid and good pads. At that power level u aren't going to tax them that much. I have stage 2 and regularly autocross with Stoptech pads. I heavy left foot brake and only on long courses with heavy runs do I get any fade. Also do the h6 rear brake upgrade. Do it cheap with brackets from any auto parts store for like 30 bucks. Cardone parts. Much better bias and feel.
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:13 PM   #36
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If the OP is only daily driving the car there's no need to upgrade brakes. If he's going 80mph in his stock car or 80mph in his 350whp car..he's going to stop in the same amount of time. If it's being built for a track then yeah you need better, bigger, more heat displacing brakes....
Right, because everyone goes the speed limit always, never accelerates quickly, keeps 10 car lengths between people on the freeway, and passes people without speeding. Most people upgrade to 2x the power of the car so they can never use it. Ever. Certainly not repeatedly.
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:14 PM   #37
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I want more power for fun. Not for drag racing or tracking. Eventually ill probibly turn it into a track car. So this is more for just fun. Even a stage 2 wrx is slow haha
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:39 PM   #38
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Right, because everyone goes the speed limit always, never accelerates quickly, keeps 10 car lengths between people on the freeway, and passes people without speeding. Most people upgrade to 2x the power of the car so they can never use it. Ever. Certainly not repeatedly.
Go back and read the thread I posted.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:27 PM   #39
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Man you are dumb. Why would they make 6 piston brakes, 4 piston brakes, etc... You obviously just learned about momentum and I inertia. You need to learn your facts about cars, physics, and engineering. Everything you have said so far is totally wrong
Bigger brakes are valid on bigger applications.

Since you really don't have anything to back up your argument. You are doing nothing but slinging **** trying to back up your arguments with name calling instead of stating any sort of fact.

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Right, because everyone goes the speed limit always, never accelerates quickly, keeps 10 car lengths between people on the freeway, and passes people without speeding. Most people upgrade to 2x the power of the car so they can never use it. Ever. Certainly not repeatedly.
You keep 10 car lengths between you and another car in a stock wrx? Last I heard it was 2 seconds at highway speeds was the more than comfortable distance. Since the average driver does probably 5-10mph over the speed limit you can pass them easily doing 100mph. Which is still well within the range of the brakes ability. If you accelerate quickly and need to hit the brakes, guess what, you aren't accelerating anymore because you lifted your foot to hit the brake. Unless you heel toe at all times and are bad at it.

The guy races motorcycles. I'm confident he understands how to drive a car. He also asked abso****inglutely nothing about brakes, he asked about engines.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:32 PM   #40
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1998265


Read this ****ing thread. Codesoccer posted it.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:43 PM   #41
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Yall are killin me with brake convo. I dont track so heat cycling isnt an issue now. When i do track ill upgrade brakes. Till then
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:53 PM   #42
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Bigger brakes are valid on bigger applications. Since you really don't have anything to back up your argument. You are doing nothing but slinging **** trying to back up your arguments with name calling instead of stating any sort of fact. You keep 10 car lengths between you and another car in a stock wrx? Last I heard it was 2 seconds at highway speeds was the more than comfortable distance. Since the average driver does probably 5-10mph over the speed limit you can pass them easily doing 100mph. Which is still well within the range of the brakes ability. If you accelerate quickly and need to hit the brakes, guess what, you aren't accelerating anymore because you lifted your foot to hit the brake. Unless you heel toe at all times and are bad at it. The guy races motorcycles. I'm confident he understands how to drive a car. He also asked abso****inglutely nothing about brakes, he asked about engines.
He was being sarcastic for one. Two, your still too dumb to understand what he was saying. Three, you need to stop being ignorant and posting useless information. I do not feel like explaining about brakes in this thread. It you would like me to back my facts up, I would be more than happy to educate you on brakes in a pm
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Old 09-30-2013, 12:51 AM   #43
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He was being sarcastic for one. Two, your still too dumb to understand what he was saying. Three, you need to stop being ignorant and posting useless information. I do not feel like explaining about brakes in this thread. It you would like me to back my facts up, I would be more than happy to educate you on brakes in a pm
Ignorant, stupid, poopy head. Blah blah blah you don't know what the **** you're talking about. I also was being sarcastic in my response. Like the 10 car lengths thing. He was being sarcastic, I responded with sarcasm. You don't know **** about brakes. You get all of your information from guys with flat billed hats and sweet jdm body kits, and are planning to go turbo later this summer.
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Old 09-30-2013, 02:18 AM   #44
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1998265


Read this ****ing thread. Codesoccer posted it.
Lol, I've read that thread. Your an idiot. You realize that thread is all about big brake kits right? Perhaps you should go read it again.... Also, my thoughts on that thread are posted in it, feel free to read away.

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Yall are killin me with brake convo. I dont track so heat cycling isnt an issue now. When i do track ill upgrade brakes. Till then
I apologize for the brake convo. You have actually upgraded to the minimum I would think would be safely required for the power level, certainly on the street you should be fine.

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That makes no sense at all. The brakes on the car are designed to handle the specifications of the car. He is not adding weight, at least a significant amount of weight, or larger wheels. So he is not increasing inertia. He will not have the gas pressed down while braking (I hope). He will be going staying within the speeds the car was designed for, just moving around in the area alot quicker.
This. This I have an issue with. Especially from some dip**** newbie that knows nothing, doesn't listen to experience, and ignores common sense. But he's (supposedly) an engineer! Which, apparently, means he knows all there is to know about everything based on no logic, sense, experience, or math (ok, I'm assuming he knows math). Ahhhh, good times!

Any modded car with increased hp needs brake upgrades. Period. Full stop.

I'd argue for suspension as well. Especially on any WRX/STI, since the suspension is absolute **** from the factory on both models. I'm shocked the STI is actually considered an "upgrade" over the WRX. Both soft and sloppy.

As to what level of upgrade is needed, that can be debatable to an extent. Saying some one is never going to use the power they just upgraded to in a repeated fashion is just unbelievably dumb. I can't actually believe Ihaveawagon feels it is a valid "argument". But, I should have known better after viewing his thread (dumbass), numerous posts in this page, newbie status, and general lack of all real world knowledge.
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Old 09-30-2013, 02:53 AM   #45
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You obviously didn't read the thread. Again, no proof or facts, just name calling and **** slinging. He accused me of being a physics major. I felt the need to defend myself. <- Thats a joke you probably wont understand. Don't worry. Need me to quote parts of the thread?


Also sorry about mucking up your thread with this. Your mod list looks good and I don't think there should be any problem with it.
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Yeah, stock! But I'm just so thankful I have your approval of the mod list! Whew, I can carry on now. Here I was all worried and ****....
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Old 09-30-2013, 03:19 AM   #47
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Yeah, stock! But I'm just so thankful I have your approval of the mod list! Whew, I can carry on now. Here I was all worried and ****....
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lol, I don't need to troll you. You're so stupid you troll yourself there big boi (fanboi? whatever.).

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Old 09-30-2013, 03:36 AM   #49
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lol, I don't need to troll you. Your so stupid you troll yourself there big boi (fanboi? whatever.).
Quit cluttering this guys thread. I'm sorry you don't know what you're talking about. Maybe read the suggested threads instead of just saying you read them. Also if you're going to question someones mental ability maybe you should use the correct form of you're.
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Old 09-30-2013, 07:59 AM   #50
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Back to the topic at hand:

OP, I just went through the same conundrum as you.

I have similar mods on the car, at right around the same mileage and I also have been to the track on a motorcycle. It changes your perspective of what fast is really quickly.

Since my wagon is also a DD, I was tired of the little TD04 just running out of puff at 5k so I wanted a bit more. I did a TD04HL-19t and the supporting mods (IWG though) and couldn't have been happier. It filled in the gaps in the powerband and gave it alot more leg up top. I lost maybe 100rpm of spool but gained a broader powerband and power to 6500. No, the turbo I chose isn't for everyone and there are better choices but I'm happy with my decision. It was a great compromise.

Regardless of the turbo, the tune was the most important key. I endt up working with Torqued Performance on an e-tune and this was the most stressful part of the installation, moreso than the injectors. I must have done 10 or so 3rd gear pulls to get the tune right (I rarely use WOT, let alone from 2k to redline) and every time was waiting for something to let go. It all held together and I'm happy the whole process is done.

The one thing in retrospect that I would have done differently was doing the tune on a dyno versus on the road: it's just much safer and more consistent. The same stresses may still happen but at least you're not going damn near 100mph on open road to do it.

Cliffs:

-Make sure your car can handle the added boost/stress
-Get a good tune
-Enjoy your new car (literally)

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