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Old 09-25-2013, 09:54 AM   #26
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I also hate those wheels, which appear to be production parts. I hope they are the upgrade option wheel, and the base wheels are legit M3 wheels, like:

Ugh that looks delicious.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:07 AM   #27
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:48 AM   #28
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The weight is almost certainly incorrect. It doesn't specify what weight it is, such as curb weight etc. It also says 200 lbs off the previous one which will put it at ~3500.
The old one didn't weigh 3700. BMW curb weights are confusing because they often use EU curb weights (which include 75 kg for the driver + luggage).

A previous gen manual coupe would be ~3550 lb.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:55 AM   #29
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The weight is almost certainly incorrect. It doesn't specify what weight it is, such as curb weight etc. It also says 200 lbs off the previous one which will put it at ~3500.
Read through that specs list again. It says 3300 pounds is without driver and with 90% gas.
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:03 PM   #30
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Can any of the guys with I6 turbo 1's or 3's comment on the sound of the car? Listening to some of the videos of it on the 'ring etc, that engine sounds big. Like a 3.6 or 3.8. Very Porsche-like. Does anyone concur?
I cant say much about my car, since the stock exhaust keeps the tones down. With windows down it does sound very refined, yet sporty. Not too loud, not too gimmicky like the newer 328 engine.
Ive heard it with the performance exhaust and it sounds awesome under all conditions .But the truth is, stock for stock, I preferred the sound of my STI. Heard an M3 the other day and omg! I want one!!
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:36 PM   #31
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Why would you prefer a single twin scroll on a 3.0l engine then? Thats a huge bottleneck trying to move enough air at the 400-500 hp mark.
Twin-scroll has less rotational inertia while still keeping exhaust bank separation, not to mention saving 50 lbs for not having another turbo. This is fine as long as you are not trying to get the flow you could get from two compressor wheels.
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:38 PM   #32
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Heard an M3 the other day and omg! I want one!!
Best part is it makes induction noise, on demand. I6 cannot be as much fun...
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:02 PM   #33
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The old one didn't weigh 3700. BMW curb weights are confusing because they often use EU curb weights (which include 75 kg for the driver + luggage). A previous gen manual coupe would be ~3550 lb.
Ok this is where my confusion came from, thanks for clearing it up. This is looking to be pretty awesome then!
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:09 PM   #34
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Ok this is where my confusion came from, thanks for clearing it up. This is looking to be pretty awesome then!
It would be awesome...but ill believe it when they weigh a tester over here.

And if they did pull that off, we'll surely pay for it. No more base m3s starting with a -5- im sure.
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:28 PM   #35
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The outdated interiors on these cars are really starting to hurt the appeal of the 3 (4 or whatever it is) series.
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Old 09-25-2013, 07:07 PM   #36
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Really? The interior is from the 3 series?

The performance sounds great! I am not digging the interior. I was not expecting anything more. Just stating my opinion.

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The interior... is a 3 series interior. What else would you expect?

I'm a little disappointed in the power figures, though I know it will be hugely underrated anyhow.

The weight claim, however, is shocking. It will scoot.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:08 AM   #37
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Hopefully when this comes out prices on the last gen drop heavily. Holding their value too damn much. Well the ones in warranty anyway.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:21 AM   #38
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Too much "stuff" in the middle of the dash. Sort of like the Tesla with the school sized blackboard in the middle of the dash. Give me a 2 dial radio, a 3 dial HVAC, a hazzard button and a little cubby in front of the shifter pleez.

And since when could you actually find an M3 at a dealer for $5x,xxx? I've looked casually. $80k, sure. $50k, not new.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:42 AM   #39
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Too much "stuff" in the middle of the dash. Sort of like the Tesla with the school sized blackboard in the middle of the dash. Give me a 2 dial radio, a 3 dial HVAC, a hazzard button and a little cubby in front of the shifter pleez.

And since when could you actually find an M3 at a dealer for $5x,xxx? I've looked casually. $80k, sure. $50k, not new.
Base cars are hard to find, of course. Welcome to BMW.

But you can certainly order one. That's something I never understood people complaining so much about. If you're buying a new M3, it's generally not a "I just totaled my car and I need transportation NOW" type of transaction. So just order the car you want.

I think the first M3 sedans had a base MSRP of like $56 or 57k. That's a much better value, and, as you stated, you don't require a lot of the BS they put into these cars.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:40 PM   #40
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Base cars are hard to find, of course. Welcome to BMW.

But you can certainly order one. That's something I never understood people complaining so much about. If you're buying a new M3, it's generally not a "I just totaled my car and I need transportation NOW" type of transaction. So just order the car you want.

I think the first M3 sedans had a base MSRP of like $56 or 57k. That's a much better value, and, as you stated, you don't require a lot of the BS they put into these cars.
Only an idiot or someone who wants to strip it for a racing would buy the base model. It is realistically an 80k car. If you have to strip out all the options to be able to afford it, you are buying the WRONG car.

The options it has are also much higher quality than the base 3 series. Take the leather for example, huge upgrade over the regular 3's leather.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:57 PM   #41
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Only an idiot or someone who wants to strip it for a racing would buy the base model. It is realistically an 80k car. If you have to strip out all the options to be able to afford it, you are buying the WRONG car.

The options it has are also much higher quality than the base 3 series. Take the leather for example, huge upgrade over the regular 3's leather.
No one is talking about not being able to afford it. We're talking about bloating the sticker price on a car for a bunch of **** you don't need, and some people don't actually want.

I think people who play into BMW's hand, adding on all the over-priced options are idiots. But that's just me. Isn't leather standard on the M3 (it is at least on the vert).

So tell me, what are the must-have options on the E90/92 M3 or else you're an idiot? Nav? Heated seats (which I can't stand).

Man, your posts really grinds my gears. Some people enjoy driving, not playing with a bunch of electronic gizmos in the cockpit. The E90/92M3 is not lacking features, even in base form.

Edit: WTH are you talking about anyway, they only offer two packages for the car ($750, $2500). What are you adding to your M3 to make it $80k? It certainly is not an $80k car. It's a $60k car, that idiots like you are dumb enough to cram every option list into to make it an $80k car, if that's even possible.

I find it incredible that you turn a $60k car, into an $80k car, by tacking on electronic extras, adding over 30% to the price, and think that is a smart move vs. the guy buying the base car? Are you high?

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Old 09-26-2013, 08:47 PM   #42
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If the only thing standing between him and the new M3 is a sub-$80k sticker price, he can always go for BMW Individual. So you needn't worry.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:43 PM   #43
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You are an idiot to buy a new M3 in the first place. Here in Canada they are around 100k brand new fully loaded. I waited a few years and bought mine used for less than half that. Depreciation is a bitch.
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So tell me, what are the must-have options on the E90/92 M3 or else you're an idiot? Nav? Heated seats (which I can't stand).
You don't like heated seats? GTFO. Seriously.

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Man, your posts really grinds my gears. Some people enjoy driving, not playing with a bunch of electronic gizmos in the cockpit. The E90/92M3 is not lacking features, even in base form.
You're suggesting a stripped out M3 is a cost effective way to enjoy driving? Who the hell is high here? Pass the ****ing pipe over here!

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I find it incredible that you turn a $60k car, into an $80k car, by tacking on electronic extras, adding over 30% to the price, and think that is a smart move vs. the guy buying the base car? Are you high?
It's the same **** as a 16GB iphone vs a 64GB iphone. You know the larger flash chip is not worth another $200, and that Apple makes low margin on the 16GB and high margin on the 64GB, but it doesn't matter because the 16GB is just stupid for anyone who seriously uses the phone. Their pricing structure does not make one a "Better deal". It makes the 16GB false economy. If you don't recognize that, then it is you who are the idiot. Sir.
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Isn't leather standard on the M3 (it is at least on the vert).
PS clearly you've never even tried to price out the car since you don't even know leather is NOT standard. How an you possibly argue for the "stripped out" version when you don't even what that entails? Like even losing the shockingly amazing dynamic damper control and M-drive traction/stability control programming. I ****ing love that thing.

I'm calling your BS.
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You are an idiot to buy a new M3 in the first place. Here in Canada they are around 100k brand new fully loaded. I waited a few years and bought mine used for less than half that. Depreciation is a bitch.
Sucks to be living in Canada. I priced it out and it was a small premium to just buy new vs CPO, and I got everything I wanted including competition package suspension and wheels. Not to mention doing laps of Nurburgring Norschleife with Euro delivery.
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Sucks to be living in Canada. I priced it out and it was a small premium to just buy new vs CPO, and I got everything I wanted including competition package suspension and wheels. Not to mention doing laps of Nurburgring Norschleife with Euro delivery.
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PS clearly you've never even tried to price out the car since you don't even know leather is NOT standard. How an you possibly argue for the "stripped out" version when you don't even what that entails? Like even losing the shockingly amazing dynamic damper control and M-drive traction/stability control programming. I ****ing love that thing.

I'm calling your BS.


I did it as I typed the post (www.bmwusa.com). There was no charge for leather...again, as I mentioned, this was only for the vert. There's no option to select an interior besides leather. And you can't build a coupe/sedan anymore.

http://www.automobilemag.com/am/99/2...equipment.html

Standard leather seats?

Edit: Standard on the coupe was their mixed leather + cloth seats, but, AS I SAID leather is standard on the vert.

I absolutely, 100% do not want active dampers. The car would be on konis in pretty short order.

And when I track the car, the stability is full-off. On the street, the standard traction control is more than fine.

But I'm sure plenty of BMW buyers enjoy telling their passengers about how they're pressing the "M-drive double secret controller" button, which will surely get them to the 7-11 much faster.

It's about as useful as the M-traction mode button on ZCP E46 M3s. It's just a less intrusive traction control program. Which should still be turned full-off when you have enough experience on the track. And around town, if you need the "M" TC over the standard TC, you need to slow the **** down. What else did the ZCP get you back then? Bigger brakes, but still wholly inadequate for serious track use. So what's the point besides stroking your ego? It did get the better rack ratio (and the same stiffer springs from the older E46s...), so that's one nice thing.

Give me a mechanical LSD, a third pedal, and decent steering (read, non-active) any ****ing day. You can keep the rest of it.

Again, you like your electronics, I don't. You somehow feel the need to insult me for that difference of opinion?

It's not like I'm alone, there are many people like me (low-optioned M3s, of all eras often go for a premium to enthusiasts who don't want all the BS).

I say all of this currently owning an -every option- E46 M3 (sans nav), and an -every option- 400 HP 135i. I use absolutely none of the extras, and would prefer more of a base car, all day every day. I mean, leather and a sunroof are nice, and I'd spring for them. But again, keep the rest of it for someone who will use it.

You really want me to upset you? I'd run 17" wheels on an E90/92 if they'd fit over the brakes. Function/form











And yes, heated seats make me have to ****. Odd, I know. It's been that way for as long as I can remeber.

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Old 09-27-2013, 09:00 AM   #50
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Sound like a bunch a whiny bitches in here. Good grief!
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