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Old 09-29-2013, 12:06 AM   #51
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Your the moron that stresses and devotes your life to a ****ing forum... "General" leaves it open to a lot of bland and pointless stuff.... get over it, and for that matter, your self too... king of **** town!
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go take a pill, there, cupcake....no...take 2 pills

and go soak yer head and post up in the morning

in the right forum, though

and dont mess with my entertainment here

Yeah man. He's got a post count to work on!!
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Old 09-29-2013, 12:15 AM   #52
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Ooook well my one buddy had a gto with a ls1. It wasnt as fast an now he has a g8 an i no tht isnt exactly a ls. Gto had a full bolt ons . The g8 dnt have to many mods yet an its nt tht fast. Then an other buddy has a vortec maxx an i gess that a ls. But he has a ton v mods an hes not close. Thats a truck though. Gess i got a litle free with my words.
u wot m8?
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Old 09-29-2013, 12:44 AM   #53
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Your the moron that stresses and devotes your life to a ****ing forum... "General" leaves it open to a lot of bland and pointless stuff.... get over it, and for that matter, your self too... king of **** town!
It's funny when people say "devote to a forum" when it takes 10 minutes to check the entire forum for worthwhile posts AND make a response.

Maybe a lot of people just get their jimmies rustled far too easily.
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Old 09-29-2013, 12:47 AM   #54
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Yeah man. He's got a post count to work on!!


sweet cheeks....my postcount is so far over the edge that if you think it matters to me even in the slightest....something something

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Old 09-29-2013, 01:08 AM   #55
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High post counts are cool brah
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:26 AM   #56
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go take a pill, there, cupcake....no...take 2 pills

and go soak yer head and post up in the morning

in the right forum, though

and dont mess with my entertainment here
Didn't make this thread. Just commenting on your usual nonsense posting.. if your can do it... by god, so can I.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:58 AM   #57
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sweet cheeks....my postcount is so far over the edge that if you think it matters to me even in the slightest....you got less than rocks for brains

where DO these idiots COME FROM

Kinda my point. Would be interesting to see the % of those posts that are actually anything relevant vs attacks against other members. It would be easy to run it that high over that many years just being a cry baby over a thread that you didn't have to click on(especially when you claim you knew it would be stupid) and then post something only to post something else 2 minutes later that most likely could have been multi-quoted.

I enjoy reading your relevant posts. Just don't see many of them, and I am not going to scour your profile to try and find them. Did that once.

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Old 09-29-2013, 10:36 AM   #58
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d00000000000d...you could spend less than $10k on any old chebby with a lsx in it and smoke **** outta your car and most other subuaus here
I dont always agree with Scotty, but here I sure do. My serious drag friends: i buy a $600 regal/monte, put in a $6000 engine and run 9's
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Oh internet. Where "making fun" of a post count is a burn. : palm face picard :
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This is why I love General.
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Threads like this one are where you see who the real car guys are.

Anyone who thinks Subaru's boxer motors are superior to any of the modern American V8's deserve to be slapped. Heck, most of the modern American 6 cylinders are now making more power than our turbo Subarus .... and they are doing it without forced induction.

Really what it comes down to is that Subaru cares more about dog comfort and roof racks than they do about performance. Which is obvious when their flagship performance car has made the same amount of power for 10 years .... and the upcoming model is rumored to still make similar power numbers.
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Old 09-29-2013, 08:10 PM   #62
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Well I checked back in to see if anyone mentioned what a sti engine weighs approximately but it was just a page of bickering with a few good comments.

Well I was still interested so I did some digging. If anyone else was just wondering...

Ls long block = 383lbs with oil
From what I found sti long block = 250lbs

Obviously since I have both I won't join in the this is better/worse match going on.
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^^ I want to know your opinion. Stock vs stock or modded for vs modded. Just curious as to which you like better?
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Threads like this one are where you see who the real car guys are.

Anyone who thinks Subaru's boxer motors are superior to any of the modern American V8's deserve to be slapped. Heck, most of the modern American 6 cylinders are now making more power than our turbo Subarus .... and they are doing it without forced induction.

Really what it comes down to is that Subaru cares more about dog comfort and roof racks than they do about performance. Which is obvious when their flagship performance car has made the same amount of power for 10 years .... and the upcoming model is rumored to still make similar power numbers.
If your are basing a cars quality off strictly the hp number your missing the point..
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^^ I want to know your opinion. Stock vs stock or modded for vs modded. Just curious as to which you like better?
Stock vs. stock what? I mean the LS comes in everything from a Corvette to a camaro to even some trucks.

I mean, there IS a reason why the LS motor is a great priced, quality motor that can take damn near anything you throw at it and make power efficiently.

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If your are basing a cars quality off strictly the hp number your missing the point..
There really wasn't a point to this thread.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:50 PM   #66
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^^ I want to know your opinion. Stock vs stock or modded for vs modded. Just curious as to which you like better?
Sadly I wonít be of much help on that.

My Camaro was a V6 until it spun a bearing and I dropped The LS6 into it that I had laying around. When I did that I did a whole bunch of things to the engine so I never owned a Stock LS car. Spec List-

Performance Aftermarket:
® SS Fiberglass functional Ram-air Hood
® K&N Air Filter
® SLP Intake Cover
® SLP Smooth Intake Bellows
® Granatelli Mass Air Flow Sensor
® BBK Ported and Polished Throttle Body
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® Ported Stock 243 Heads
® Texas Speed Torquer V3 111 L.S.A. Camshaft
® Chrome Molly Push Rods
® Supporting Valve Springs
® Heddman Long Tube Headers
® Pacesetter Y-Pipe
® Flowmaster Cat-Back Exhaust

Drivetrain Performance:
® Yank 3600 Stall Lock up torque Converter
® Trans with all Kevlar parts and is rated up to 700 horsepower
® Trans go Shift Kit 2
® Transmission cooler with stainless steel braided lines
® 3.42 Rear Gears

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® Dyno tuned by Vector Motorsports for use with Premium gas
® Shift points increased
- Trans oil pressure increased

And my 2013 WRX is stock and I have never ridden in a modded one, so I canít comment on modded vs. modded either.

But they are completely difference beasts. I love and hate things about both

Camaro
Love-
- Torque
- Raw power
- The Community (hugely helpful, very little flaming on the forums)
- The Sound
- I doubled the hp/tq and the engine internals are fine
- Can still go further if I wanted to without internals (Iíve seen 600 hp on stock internals driven for quite awhile)
- Can get away with a lot before tuning (I personally didnít, but unlike ours a intake requires no tune)
- 11 sec car I daily drove with a little discomfort (all from the cam; I could have gotten the same times/power with less lope but honestly Ill admit it, that was for the sound)
- I live 15 minutes away from a shop that is considered one of the best on the LS engine (like our Topspeed or P&L)

Hate-
- Living in Michigan no way I can drive it in the winter
- That much power makes it even interesting in the rain
- An easy mistake can spin you fast, very touchy controlling
- Canít throw my keys to a DD if I decide to drinkÖ so I either stayed the night or didnít drink. If you donít know the car its very dangerous
- The weak point for 4th gen f-bodies is the rear diffÖ kind of like our ringlands some pop at stock power hard launch, most are good, some are amazing
- All forward, Mine isnít too bad compared to others cause of the small amount I didÖ but then you compare it to WRXís and a lot others it defiantly losesÖ bad.

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Love-
- AWD!!!!
- Turbo
- Twisties
- I am guessing the soundÖ but like I said donít have a modded one and donít know of one by me
- Year round enjoyment even when I finish what I plan on doing (Stage 2, 2+)
- Rear seats
- My dog doesnít have to have her claws on leather (Have a Hatch I drop the rear seats)

Hate-
- The fact you cant increase power that much with-out having to do huge things for reliability
- Reliability issue even with stock (though I am guessing this is really over exaggerated)
- The amount of things needed or money spent to make it what I would call reliable
- The creaking
- The forums
- The car hasnít increased much technology wise in a very long time. The L series engines for example. Huge increases in power from its debut in 97 (287 dynod) to now (400-500hp)

And please no one get mad about the negatives I posted about the Subaru, I researched, knew they where there, I expected them coming in, no car is perfect I know that, I donít ask for perfect but can admit that there are things I donít like. Obviously I like the car because I got it even knowing these issues.

I got the WRX because I felt like I understood LS engines and went as far on that car as I wanted. I wanted a new build, something I didnít know much about, to learn, and have something completely different. So now I Drive the WRX Daily and drove the Camaro only a few times this season while trying to sell it.

To some it up, its Apples to Oranges. I never understood the battle (which is better) because they canít compare, neither is better completely. What makes one better then another is what you are trying to do with it, and what you want to achieve. Honestly after having a modded V8 Iím not too sure I will get back into that world, my tastes have changed and they arenít impressing me that much (except for the vettes, but always been my dream car) and Iím liking non-american more as of now. For now Iím looking at a BMW 335xi for my next build (years down the roadÖ I plan/dream a lot), then others (Evo, Audi, Porsche) but that can all change by the time I get to it.

Camaro


WRX
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^^^ Nicely done!
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:29 PM   #68
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^^^ Nicely done!
Thank you very much, its greatly appreciated. All work done by me and my dad (tear down, engine assembly, parts install, paint) except tuning/engine drop. Cause of the position you actually have to drop the car on the engine (like feiros) which I just didn't have a lift. So delivered the body and complete long block to the shop. So I'm a bit proud of it.
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My buddy showed me a pic of a wrx with a LS swap in it. Im thinking what the hell would someone ruin an awsome wrx with a engine like tht!! Buy a freakin corvette!!



You should check out the circle jerk that happens when somebody swaps an LS into an S-10 or 240SX. LS engines are also pretty cheap and relatively small so they'll fit anywhere, that's why they always gets used for swaps.
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I love general to see what a moderator will say next to boost their ego (not all of you, just a select few)
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Well I checked back in to see if anyone mentioned what a sti engine weighs approximately but it was just a page of bickering with a few good comments.

Well I was still interested so I did some digging. If anyone else was just wondering...

Ls long block = 383lbs with oil
From what I found sti long block = 250lbs

Obviously since I have both I won't join in the this is better/worse match going on.
Did you count in the extra piping, intercooler, and turbo weight to the STI? Cause you should. Which makes them even closer in weight.
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Did you count in the extra piping, intercooler, and turbo weight to the STI? Cause you should. Which makes them even closer in weight.
No I thought about it. But couldn't find the weight for that. So I compared it against an ls block without manifolds. I agree to get a true comparison turbo, intercooler, and piping should be included but couldn't seem to find it.
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The new Chevy engine is no joke. Direct injection 6.2 Liter, 400+hp/tq on 87 octane.

Meanwhile the Subaru STi is going to debut an anemic 2.0 liter direct injected boxer motor that might see 300hp.
Lets compare apples to apples... The subaru engine puts out 150hp per liter. The new chevy puts out 64. That is barely an incremental upgrade, and still well behind most of the rest of the world for hp per liter of displacement. (A 30 year old 350 with a carb can put out 60+ hp/liter with some relatively minor tuning and tweaks.) Or we can compare horsepower/weight if you want. Using the previous numbers, the 300hp subaru engine puts out 1.2 horsepower per pound of engine. The LS is at 1.04 hp/pound. (could also do hp/cylinder, but you know where this is headed by now!)
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Lets compare apples to apples... The subaru engine puts out 150hp per liter. The new chevy puts out 64. That is barely an incremental upgrade, and still well behind most of the rest of the world for hp per liter of displacement. (A 30 year old 350 with a carb can put out 60+ hp/liter with some relatively minor tuning and tweaks.) Or we can compare horsepower/weight if you want. Using the previous numbers, the 300hp subaru engine puts out 1.2 horsepower per pound of engine. The LS is at 1.04 hp/pound. (could also do hp/cylinder, but you know where this is headed by now!)

You're also comparing a naturally aspirated truck engine to a turbocharged performance car engine. Add forced induction to the GM, and it's a whole different ball of wax.
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Lets compare apples to apples... The subaru engine puts out 150hp per liter. The new chevy puts out 64. That is barely an incremental upgrade, and still well behind most of the rest of the world for hp per liter of displacement. (A 30 year old 350 with a carb can put out 60+ hp/liter with some relatively minor tuning and tweaks.) Or we can compare horsepower/weight if you want. Using the previous numbers, the 300hp subaru engine puts out 1.2 horsepower per pound of engine. The LS is at 1.04 hp/pound. (could also do hp/cylinder, but you know where this is headed by now!)
Yes, the Subaru engine is more efficient. No contesting that, more engineering pushing it to a farther limit. On the other hand, the Subaru engine cant touch the Chevy's efficiency in output once you factor in HP + MPG.

Also, the both motors are new so reliability is untested, but recent LS motors are far more reliable in the long term than recent EJ-T motors.
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