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Old 10-08-2002, 04:42 PM   #1
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Default My Engine Swap is Done!

Remember my Legacy from 3 months ago:



Which lead to this:



So I purchased this :



And now it's finally done:

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Old 10-08-2002, 05:01 PM   #2
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woot! nice..
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Old 10-08-2002, 05:02 PM   #3
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awesome! lets hear the details! we need step by step analysis and of course how does she drive now?
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Old 10-08-2002, 05:26 PM   #4
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yes! I want to know how fast it is! Is that a JDM motor?

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Old 10-08-2002, 08:42 PM   #5
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Doah!! This is almost exactly my car! Mine's the ls not the gt but most of the parts will be added pretty quick to make it one.
What kind of engine is that ? Looks kinda new! I really really wanna know if it's a wrx motor coz i want to know if a wrx intercooler will fit on our cars?!! Mines a 96 btw. Same color...Doah! Except mines getting the legacy turbo 2.2 and a good reworking.
Oh well, nice car man. Now tell us what's in it!!!
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Old 10-08-2002, 10:12 PM   #6
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Hold the latte and add the Juice. Well it's doable, and now you've got us all drooling about the conversion details and how much a PITA was the ECU and rewiring stuff... just the facts, but pictures would be most appreciated.

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Old 10-09-2002, 01:01 AM   #7
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More please

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That is beautiful. Looks like it was made for it.
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Old 10-09-2002, 01:28 AM   #8
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Tell us what it was like driving it for the first time, and yeah give us all the details, next summer, next summer....
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Old 10-09-2002, 03:05 AM   #9
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I figured there'd be a few of you guys would want more details , so here goes...

That's a WRX engine. I bought it complete with intercooler, MAF box, uppipe, downpipe/cat, and all wiring harnesses for about $3450 US. It only had 5000 miles on it (just broken in for me )

The other things that were needed, but didn't come with the engine package were:

- WRX ecu
- WRX crossmember
- boost controller
- fuel pump
- power steering resovoir

My swap was done by Japanese Automotive in Toronto. They did all the wiring which from what I saw was not a walk in the park by any means. There was literally a sea of wires. My ECU was also tuned by them (stock ECU is reprogrammed with new maps).

The engine fits beautifully into the Legacy engine bay. Intercooler fits and lines up perfectly with the hoodscoop (like it was always meant to have one). Even the airbox bolts right into the existing hole nicely. However, there are a few issues to deal with when swapping the WRX engine into the Legacy:

1. Some creative hosing needed to be done to make the Legacy rad work (we tried putting a WRX rad in, but it didn't fit very nice, plus the Legacy rad is dual core so it's better anyways).
2. The Legacy has the steering pump and steering resevoir together as one unit, whereas the WRX is separate, so the WRX power steering resevoir is needed.
3. I have a custom Brullen exhaust with 3" piping (the cat is not in the same spot as before so the midpipe was custom made).

Other things I did that weren't required, but were easier since the engine was out were STI engine mounts and a Brullen uppipe. Also went with a Blitz electronic boost controller and Walbro fuel pump since the oem parts are almost as expensive anyways. Final pricetag was approx. $9000 U.S. and that's including alot of aftermarket parts and parts that weren't necessary for the swap. My situation was somewhat unique in that a rod went through my block so I had to replace my engine anyways. Considering it would have cost me close to $5000 US to have Subaru give me a new short block, test my heads and install it (my warranty was up ), I chose to go the swap route. Others with engines that are still working may be better off (financially and possibly power wise) getting their 2.5's or 2.2's turbo'd instead (JoeT will be posting his results soon - and thanks again Joe for letting Japanese Automotive do my car first).

To say the least, the car is FAST! It hasn't been dyno'd but I'd venture to say that it is in the 220 hp range at the wheels based on WRX's that have been dyno'd at Japanese Automotive with a similar setup (ECU tune, Brullen exhaust, uppipe).

The thing that is different about this swap from others I have seen, is that I kept the auto tranny from my Legacy, partly because this project was getting expensive and I didn't want to buy a WRX tranny and I wanted to see if it would work. It bolts right up no problem and because the gearing on the Legacy is shorter (4.44 final drive compared to 3.90 MT/4.11 AT on the WRX) it "GOES LIKE STINK" according to JoeT.

I know there are a few turbo'd Legacy's in the U.S, but I think I could safely say that I have the fastest Legacy in Canada! (had to get that in before JoeT's car is finished)

Chris.

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Old 10-09-2002, 06:36 AM   #10
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I would have done what you had did, but damn almost 10k for a swap is a lot
Maybe if you did it yourself it would have been a lot cheaper but then again the tools involved would have cost too much
NIce job but in my opinion, 10k is jst too much for a swap
Unique and one of a kind and Sleeper looks gives thumbs up
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Old 10-09-2002, 08:30 AM   #11
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nice job. did they have to move the ac line or the igniter to clear the ic? i have been trying to decide which ic to go for on my 91turbo, i like the wrx one but i think it gets abit tight against the firewall....with all that extra umph you might think about a lsd rear diff.....just to save your tires
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Old 10-09-2002, 08:42 AM   #12
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Good stuff!

I saw it up on the hoist at JA while I was getting my cams done. I
guess we'll see who has the quickest Legacy in Toronto when
Joe gets his finished!.

Cheers...Stu
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Old 10-09-2002, 09:00 AM   #13
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Muhahahaha!!!

Quote:
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guess we'll see who has the quickest Legacy in Toronto when
Joe gets his finished!.
King of the hill only lasts as long as he can stay on top.

To help clarify things why the 9K:
Fuel Pump, you can do without, but it's not recommended
Blitz top of the line SBC-ID, there are cheaper alternatives, but this looks so nice. (Same as the one I'm getting)
STI Mounts, not necessary, but while the engine is out why not.
ECU Tuning, not necessary, but since we are doing the engine anyway, why not.
Up Pipe, and 3" cat back, not necessary, but since everything else is being done, why not.

If you take the pricing of everything I just listed here and subtract from the total ($9K), it will be closer to $6500.00 - $7000.00 ish for the total swap. Pretty much the going rate.

Time to knock the king off his perch... Muhahahaha!!!

On another note: Thanks Chris for letting me drive the car. When driving concervatively, it feels just like the 2.5L engine. It's really decieving, same torque same feel etc. But when you mash the pedal, hold on to your hat. It moves quite rapidly.

The Legacy is much smoother than the WRX's that I've driven.

Congrats, my car is in the shop as we speak. Muhahahah!

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Old 10-09-2002, 05:37 PM   #14
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Does the shop charge sales tax if you pay cash? Tax is a whopping 15% in Canada. I regularly go to Toronto and I"d like take a look at his shop.
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Old 10-09-2002, 05:55 PM   #15
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youd be putting a tad past 300 hp at the flywheel STANDARD.
up the boost to 15 lbs and i recon with the other mods you could be and should be doing about 300 at the wheels
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Old 10-09-2002, 06:09 PM   #16
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Dealer,

There is a secret that the Canadian Government hides from Visitors. All the sales tax and GST you pay can be redeemed. Next time you cross the border, pick up a form and it's handled.

Also, the shop is very easy to work with. Deals are always done (Tax man maybe watching)
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Old 10-09-2002, 08:56 PM   #17
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Car repair cannot be reimbursed according to the law. Please check again. I have always wanted to service my car in Canada since the workmanship is better and the exchange rate.
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Old 10-09-2002, 10:11 PM   #18
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Cajual, that's a sweet engine swap you did. I want to do something similar but the only thing holding me back is the emissions test. How can your car pass the test now that you dropped in a turboed engine when your V.I.N number with bring up the specs for a 2.5 engine. The shop where I plan on taking my car told me that there is no way I can pass an emission test unless you pay off the mechanic. So did you research this at all. Let me know.

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Old 10-09-2002, 10:16 PM   #19
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Just an FYI. The 2002 WRX engine runs cleaner than the 97 - 99 2.5GT engine.

Cajual passed an emissions test the same day. Beat the readings by a country mile.

(Chris, hope you didn't mind me answering for you)
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Old 10-09-2002, 11:01 PM   #20
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Oh man. drool......
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Old 10-10-2002, 07:18 AM   #21
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No problem Joe... I appreciate the help! some of the questions you could probably answer better than me anyways
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Old 10-11-2002, 01:16 AM   #22
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wow! great job. I am happy to see others are finally joining the legacy conversion club.
here is ours we did for a customer about 3 months ago



the basic conversion cost 7k
here are the mods he chose
FP turbo
samco hoses
Link
Wilwood 4-pot front brake kit
agx-eibach suspension
kartboy short shifter
and yes those are 18" rims!

Enjoy your ride

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Old 10-13-2002, 12:29 PM   #23
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Where did you get that engine for $3450? 5000 miles on it at that price is a steal.
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Old 10-14-2002, 11:07 AM   #24
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What caused the old engine to throw a rod? How many miles were on the engine when it let go?
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Old 10-17-2002, 02:03 PM   #25
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Where did you get that engine for $3450? 5000 miles on it at that price is a steal.
Japan Auto Parts
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