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Old 06-11-2014, 09:23 AM   #1
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New England's All Subaru Track Day and Festival
Thompson Speedway
** August 24, 2014 **

Tickets are now available!

This is your opportunity to drive your Subaru to the limit, at high speed, and with an experienced driving instructor in the passenger seat! Organized by NASA NE, this HPDE will feature an hour and 20 minutes of driving time on New England's newest road course and you'll walk away of the best pictures imaginable of you tracking your Subie!


In addition to the track event, there will be:
-A massive vendor row offering killer deals
-An All Subaru Car Show
-An epic door prize raffle, and much more!

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Old 06-11-2014, 11:22 AM   #2
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FYI the FB event page states that you get 120 minutes of of track time. I'm assuming this is a typo and it's supposed to say "an hour and 20 minutes" as it does above?
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:56 AM   #3
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I want my. 2hours : - p
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Old 06-11-2014, 10:27 PM   #4
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FYI we were the first people to drive the new road course at Thompson Speedway this week aside from the closed SCCA instructor level event last weekend and it is an impressive venue.

The track is a lot more technical than it looks with not only a variety of different types and speeds and gears worth of curves, but different types of pavement or elevation changes, never too rough to be totally dangerous, but all different enough to test both your car and skill. In other words, this track has so much diversity that it will easily bring out both you and your car's strengths and weaknesses.

One thing to keep in mind is that the main straight is....... long with lots of time on the power and a tight curve at the end. Thankfully the runoff is long, but you never want to get down to the bone like that. If you are planning on attending and have not done any brake related maintenance for a while I would recommend checking your car out and if any one element of your car needs attention or money, this should be it. Consider what you are willing to spend on brake upgrades, then move it up one or two levels and you'll be getting there.

I say this because in our group the only people who did not get brake fade were those with significant brake upgrades, and I mean significant, not just "Hawk pads". Expect your brakes to be taxed heavily, so plan accordingly or be ready to face the consequences.

EDIT: and see what your options are for disabling traction control especially. Stability not so much, but traction control will overuse your brakes so they will overheat and not work when you need them.
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Old 06-12-2014, 07:29 AM   #5
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FYI we were the first people to drive the new road course at Thompson Speedway this week aside from the closed SCCA instructor level event last weekend and it is an impressive venue.
That makes you "second", not "1st after". (Nothing wrong with being second, no reason to try to elevate your position as you did. Just call things like they are and you might get some more respect).

Wasn't an instructor level event. It was a non-points SCCA race to help Thompson figure out where to put additional curbing where cars need it and help identify/properly position corner stations where drivers can see them. They did a red flag "test" during the largest run group to see if the stations are visible to racers that have limited viewing angles and comments from the drivers were welcomed at the de-brief of the run group. Track mgmt was really happy to have the feedback and will be working on the improvements. At that, it was an event to train the corner workers.

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The track is a lot more technical than it looks with not only a variety of different types and speeds and gears worth of curves, but different types of pavement or elevation changes, never too rough to be totally dangerous, but all different enough to test both your car and skill. In other words, this track has so much diversity that it will easily bring out both you and your car's strengths and weaknesses.
With about 80% being new pavement, it's slick. Cars that normally turn-in easily were having problems finding grip on the front end. Tarted up econoboxes are going to be no different.

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One thing to keep in mind is that the main straight is....... long with lots of time on the power and a tight curve at the end. Thankfully the runoff is long, but you never want to get down to the bone like that.
Just pay attention to the braking zone at the straight. One nice thing is it's uphill, so it will help slightly. But yes, T1 is tight (as is almost the whole track).

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If you are planning on attending and have not done any brake related maintenance for a while I would recommend checking your car out and if any one element of your car needs attention or money, this should be it. Consider what you are willing to spend on brake upgrades, then move it up one or two levels and you'll be getting there.

I say this because in our group the only people who did not get brake fade were those with significant brake upgrades, and I mean significant, not just "Hawk pads". Expect your brakes to be taxed heavily, so plan accordingly or be ready to face the consequences.

EDIT: and see what your options are for disabling traction control especially. Stability not so much, but traction control will overuse your brakes so they will overheat and not work when you need them.
It's a tight track and most of it is done at highway speeds with the exception of the front straight.

See here for my pics from last weekend... which include the straight, T1 and T3 and 4/5/6 to the bridge. Didn't get much of anything else.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/466700...7644686888129/

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Old 06-12-2014, 09:35 AM   #6
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With about 80% being new pavement, it's slick. Cars that normally turn-in easily were having problems finding grip on the front end. Tarted up econoboxes are going to be no different.
From what I remember of the videos and pics I have seen of the track, one of the first things that I noticed is that there are several corners (1, 3, 4, and the corners coming off the oval) you crest a small hill at or just after turn-in, which is a major factor in adding to turn-in understeer. There's not a lot of overall elevation change, but there are a lot of small elevation changes at points that you have to take into consideration.
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Old 06-12-2014, 10:31 AM   #8
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From what I remember of the videos and pics I have seen of the track, one of the first things that I noticed is that there are several corners (1, 3, 4, and the corners coming off the oval) you crest a small hill at or just after turn-in, which is a major factor in adding to turn-in understeer. There's not a lot of overall elevation change, but there are a lot of small elevation changes at points that you have to take into consideration.
a lot of slightly off camber stuff too...the track plays some optical tricks on you....the track rubbered in over the weekend and was better, but you'll need to tweek your set-up if you're a NHMS only kinda guy (like me)
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Will there be different NASA run grups (HPDE 1, 2, 3, 4) for Wicked Big Track Day or will the Subaru event participents all be paired in HPDE 1? I'm doing NASA at Thompson on 6/22, so I'll see where I fall 1st in run groups before I sign up for WBTD.
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^^^ I'd like to know more about the run groups as well. The web site lists our multiple groups but doesn't seem to explain how people will be placed.
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Old 06-12-2014, 10:20 PM   #11
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Is it worth going too? Is it better or worse then WBM? I've never been before, I would like to know what it's like.
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Is it worth going too? Is it better or worse then WBM? I've never been before, I would like to know what it's like.
Hard to say since they've never held one before but the road course just opened this month and the organization that they are paired with is top notch (NASA Northeast). If you've never been to a track before but have wanted to, I'd strongly recommend it.
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Hard to say since they've never held one before but the road course just opened this month and the organization that they are paired with is top notch (NASA Northeast). If you've never been to a track before but have wanted to, I'd strongly recommend it.
So this is the first Wicked Big Track Day ever held?
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That makes you "second", not "1st after". (Nothing wrong with being second, no reason to try to elevate your position as you did. Just call things like they are and you might get some more respect).

Wasn't an instructor level event. It was a non-points SCCA race to help Thompson figure out where to put additional curbing where cars need it and help identify/properly position corner stations where drivers can see them. They did a red flag "test" during the largest run group to see if the stations are visible to racers that have limited viewing angles and comments from the drivers were welcomed at the de-brief of the run group. Track mgmt was really happy to have the feedback and will be working on the improvements. At that, it was an event to train the corner workers.
Not trying to elevate anything and I am sorry you took it that way. The way it was presented to me was that the weekend proceedings were for testing purposes and the only way to drive was with a sanctioned full SCCA racing license for insurance reasons because it was a closed SCCA event. So if you drove it, you have my respects because that off the bat states you are a pretty advanced driver who's moved up the ranks!

As far as us, we were told this was the first event available to the general public, and interestingly enough, it was shockingly devoid of supervision because all the run groups were run with "novice" rules with strict passing limitation, but no instructors in the car with you.

The run groups were small, people were new and respectful enough that everyone was pretty far from each other and no one drove aggressively towards one another, so left to their own devices people.... hauled.... ass.... hard and by themselves. This is in comparison to the HPDE organizations like NASA, HOD, SCDA which don't encourage you to push your car as hard in the lower levels anyway, particularly with an instructor in your car. This even allowed us to really explore the track, which is why many people had brake fade, even a factory, dealer installed race prepped roll caged fiat 500 running 28psi of boost.

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With about 80% being new pavement, it's slick. Cars that normally turn-in easily were having problems finding grip on the front end. Tarted up econoboxes are going to be no different.
I didn't find it to be slick, maybe the pavement was a bit broken in on Monday. But my comparison is to autocross and ADSI as my track experience is very limited otherwise.


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Just pay attention to the braking zone at the straight. One nice thing is it's uphill, so it will help slightly. But yes, T1 is tight (as is almost the whole track).

It's a tight track and most of it is done at highway speeds with the exception of the front straight.
Agreed, but anyone who was at that event, including the track management would strongly agree and I will reiterate: "You cannot have too good brakes".

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See here for my pics from last weekend... which include the straight, T1 and T3 and 4/5/6 to the bridge. Didn't get much of anything else.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/466700...7644686888129/

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The single seat Zebra colored car looks familiar, I think it was there on Mon as well!
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So this is the first Wicked Big Track Day ever held?
Yes it is.
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The run groups were small, people were new and respectful enough that everyone was pretty far from each other and no one drove aggressively towards one another, so left to their own devices people.... hauled.... ass.... hard and by themselves. This is in comparison to the HPDE organizations like NASA, HOD, SCDA which don't encourage you to push your car as hard in the lower levels anyway, particularly with an instructor in your car. This even allowed us to really explore the track, which is why many people had brake fade, even a factory, dealer installed race prepped roll caged fiat 500 running 28psi of boost.
The fact that this paragraph doesn't scare you is worrying...
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Yes it is.
Technically yes, kinda no. It's a new brand and venue, but the WBM formula is one people seem to enjoy (so we're doing it again), and the NASA HPDE is a proven formula for making people better drivers. Combining the two = high odds of a super good day.
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^^^ I'd like to know more about the run groups as well. The web site lists our multiple groups but doesn't seem to explain how people will be placed.
Is this going to be clarified somewhere, or is everyone going to run in group 1 nanny groups?
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Is this going to be clarified somewhere, or is everyone going to run in group 1 nanny groups?
Last I read, everyone will be starting in group 1.
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Last I read, everyone will be starting in group 1.
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Expect a flat bill fest of n00bs. Run a normal non-brotacular HPDE on another day. A month before with COM perhaps?
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personally I applaud Robert for trying to increase a small subset of subaru owners.. Into track drivers.
He is trying to popularize a hobby that should appeal to the subaru crowd.
Now many of you are already track drivers, instructors, or etc, but trying to mainstream it, in a away that will not ne off putting to a neophyte subaru owner is nice.

That said I think there will be at least one accident since many of the younger crowd don't know the first thing about driving on a track, and overestimate their ability.

I'm heavily thinking about going, and learning from some of the good instructors that I know will be there, but I'll be wary of the young ones... I might just even skip the first session to just watch.. and run the other 3 sessions.
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It's definitely a good thing! Having NASANE instructors will make it a lot safer than people think. It will be a great way to get on track in a controlled environment and learn what it's all about. Which is why I don't see it being a particularly valuable use of money for solo/licensed/experienced drivers who are expected to learn the racing line, memorize the flagging stations, etc. on their own while keeping tabs on the formula car coming out of nowhere in their rearview.
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personally I applaud Robert for trying to increase a small subset of subaru owners.. Into track drivers.
He is trying to popularize a hobby that should appeal to the subaru crowd.
Now many of you are already track drivers, instructors, or etc, but trying to mainstream it, in a away that will not ne off putting to a neophyte subaru owner is nice.

That said I think there will be at least one accident since many of the younger crowd don't know the first thing about driving on a track, and overestimate their ability.
That's fine, but at least be upfront with the way the groups will be setup to avoid confusion and disappointed people. No one want to pay this kind of money to be in a slow procession of cars. The WBM site describes multiple groups with "relaxed passing", maybe this was all cut and past from another site?

Professional HPDE groups and their instructors do a solid job of beating newbs into place and keeping them safe. The instructor is in the car and not interested in bouncing off armco.
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As far as I know, it WILL NOT be just one single run group. Drivers with logbooks will be put in HPDE2/3/4 as fit.
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