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Old 11-08-2013, 08:07 PM   #1
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Before everyone jumps on my thread and starts yelling, yes I know how to use a search bar, google and bing. I have yet to come across a straight answer or a real recommendation on a place in NYC or near NYC. I have a '95 impreza looking to do a 4 point cage. If anyone has any info please let me know as soon as possible. I really appreciate it thanks in advance!
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Old 11-09-2013, 05:43 PM   #2
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A 4 point isn't a cage. You're just looking to do a main hoop and back bars? That won't be legal in any form of racing. I work at a fabrication shop in central new jersey. Shoot me a pm if you want.
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:40 AM   #3
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:13 PM   #4
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for just a 4 point like that just get an autopower bar... like it was said it wont be legal. custom cages are always better too
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Old 11-11-2013, 01:00 AM   #5
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:17 AM   #6
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A 4 point isn't a cage. You're just looking to do a main hoop and back bars? That won't be legal in any form of racing. I work at a fabrication shop in central new jersey. Shoot me a pm if you want.
um. a 4pt cage is a cage it would be just the front part of the cage, but its still a cage. obviously a 6pt is better but a 4pt is still a cage.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:50 AM   #7
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um. a 4pt cage is a cage it would be just the front part of the cage, but its still a cage. obviously a 6pt is better but a 4pt is still a cage.
Um no it's not. It would be considered a bar. Add a halo, a pillar bars, sill bar and door bars it's a cage. No halo, a pillars, or sill and it's a roll bar. A bar has to be 1 3/4" for nhra and 1 5/8" for a cage. You should do some research. I do this stuff every day.

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um. a 4pt cage is a cage it would be just the front part of the cage, but its still a cage. obviously a 6pt is better but a 4pt is still a cage.
More of a jungle gym, what are you using this for? is there a rule book involved?

I've built many cages and if you asked for a 4 point that would mean a main hoop and two rear bars. Next step up is a 6 point that adds the front A pillar bars. Then 8 would be going through the fire wall to the front strut towers.

So are you saying you want just the main hoop and A pillar bars? Why not just add the rear bars and make it a legit 6 point.
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bmw has it right. it would just be a 4pt cage. main hoop at b pillar then fronts going to a pillar. picture a cage in a standard cab truck. its still a 4pt cage. I have had many 4pt cages hold up great in a roll over. (and yes, i have build many truck cages too)

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Old 11-12-2013, 11:51 AM   #10
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[quote=norexyet;40934954]Um no it's not. It would be considered a bar. Add a halo, a pillar bars, sill bar and door bars it's a cage. No halo, a pillars, or sill and it's a roll bar. A bar has to be 1 3/4" for nhra and 1 5/8" for a cage. You should do some research. I do this stuff every day.



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Old 11-12-2013, 12:40 PM   #11
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More of a jungle gym, what are you using this for? is there a rule book involved?

I've built many cages and if you asked for a 4 point that would mean a main hoop and two rear bars. Next step up is a 6 point that adds the front A pillar bars. Then 8 would be going through the fire wall to the front strut towers.

So are you saying you want just the main hoop and A pillar bars? Why not just add the rear bars and make it a legit 6 point.
Going from a 4 point bar to a 6 point bar would be adding in door bars from the main hoop to the frame or a plate, not a pillar bars. An 8 point bar is just an addition of kicker bars off the main hoop to say the frame connectors on a mustang. Stuff goes from a bar to a cage with the addition of a halo and a pillar bars.

The point system can technically vary. For me I consider an 8 point cage: a main hoop, halo, a pillar, door and back bars with kickers. A 10pt would be an addition of a rear x tying in the back bars to the main hoop. A 12pt would be adding engine compartment bars off the a pillars.

Most people are confused about the difference between the two. I've had a lot of people call and say they want an 8 point chrome moly cage so I tell them the price and get told I'm crazy, blah blah blah has it for $400 less. I then have to explain that a bar and cage are completely different things and I'm not longer crazy.
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Couple of recent things I've done so it doesn't seem like I'm talking out of my ass.

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bmw has it right. it would just be a 4pt cage. main hoop at b pillar then fronts going to a pillar. picture a cage in a standard cab truck. its still a 4pt cage. I have had many 4pt cages hold up great in a roll over. (and yes, i have build many truck cages too)

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Im not going to deny that this would work but thats in a truck cab when thats only what will fit. In a regular car where you can add the rear bars I would definitely add them, no question.

Here is a BMW sedan 4 Point in progress in my shop at the moment. The rear bars are crucial, this roll bar does have 2 more points off the rear strut bar but thats because this car had the subframe mounts rip out.

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Im not going to deny that this would work but thats in a truck cab when thats only what will fit. In a regular car where you can add the rear bars I would definitely add them, no question.

Here is a BMW sedan 4 Point in progress in my shop at the moment. The rear bars are crucial, this roll bar does have 2 more points off the rear strut bar but thats because this car had the subframe mounts rip out.
yep, all i was saying that a 4pt cage is a cage. now yes you can do it as just a hoop and rear runners (but thats not a cage)
when doing cages in cars, i will alway add the rear bars as you can. hell, even in trucks i will add bars coming out the rear.
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Assuming your building for race? I would go with a custom fabricated eight point.. 1 3/4 NHRA spec halo, pillars, and door built cage.. There is a big difference in a bar and a cage.. And i am assuming if your building for race.. I personally would go with a custom cage...Been fabricating frames for race cars of all types and commercial aircraft for nineteen years and just wanted to give you my opinion based on your question.. Have a masters in structural & pipe welding from Hobart Institute of Welding Tech as well as an associates degree in aircraft mechanics from Redwood Aircraft Tech... PM me if you have any questions...
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