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Old 11-22-2013, 06:39 PM   #26
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I would never buy the first year of a new model revision. I'd let them work out all the bugs for a good year or two.
That's the biggest reason. I've worked for automotive suppliers and at customer facilities, and seen what goes on in the first year or two. But there are several others, including

-I've seen what the new one looks like, don't care for it. Looks like my father's 2013 Taurus.

-Daily driver's transmission is slipping, has 170,000 miles on it, and is costing on average $300 a month in repairs. I spent an entire Saturday a few weeks ago replacing all the engine and transmission mounts.
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Old 11-22-2013, 07:00 PM   #27
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I would never buy the first year of a new model revision. I'd let them work out all the bugs for a good year or two.
The engine/trans have been out for a year already in other offerings, the chassis is the same.

It's a parts-bin car.
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Old 11-22-2013, 07:14 PM   #28
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I agree to let the dealer work for you. But don't leave it at that. Look around. Also, realize that you may have to wait till the 14s come in.

1.71% has been the going rate for a few months. When I got my Crosstrek in August, I got that rate. I've paid it off since. Sure....my 401k makes more than that but I've been maxing that out forever so it's not like I can add more.
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Old 11-22-2013, 07:22 PM   #29
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Are you wanting the sedan or hatchback? How far are you willing to travel to get it?

As mentioned previously, Bowser Subaru in Pittsburgh, PA has a base WRB sedan with MSRP of $36,047. Otherwise there's a few base hatchbacks in NH, NC and SC; those being the closest to you that I can see.

2014s are getting snatched up and are no longer available to order. Slim pickins' out there.
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Old 11-22-2013, 08:59 PM   #30
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How are you guys getting such low rates on auto loans??

I have pretty good credit (for a 24 year old) and I got a 4.25% on my wife's Forester this summer
I got nailed with cruddy interest rate because of my own ignorance of the dealers ability to make more cash with it. Being young (23) and having not a dang clue what my credit looked like, I was like "whoa! 3.9? That's freaking low". Eh, apparently not for someone who has a 762 credit score. I refi'd through a credit union for %1.49 after I spoke with my mom on the phone two weeks after buying the car.
"You're credit score is what? And your interest rate is how high!?"
She seemed more surprised I haven't completely grenaded my credit by now. Thanks, Mom.

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Old 11-22-2013, 09:01 PM   #31
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I bought a Crosstrek several weeks ago from the same dealer I bought my '11 WRX from. Sales guy (who's into cars and seems to know what he's talking about) said STI's are all special order now. The only dealers that have any STI's in inventory are the really big volume dealers. And those that are in stock are the ones they use for test drives. So I think you're going to have to order one and wait 8-12 weeks for it. But at least you'll get exactly what you want.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:30 PM   #32
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The engine/trans have been out for a year already in other offerings, the chassis is the same.

It's a parts-bin car.
This may be true, but they haven't had a turbo bolted on it and weren't tuned the same as the new WRX is going to be (well, I guess the Forester XT is the 2.0DIT, but still tuned differently and bolted to a different transmission I think). I don't know for sure, maybe they're precisely the same, I know I still wouldn't fork out $30k on a new first MY car.
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Old 11-23-2013, 09:34 AM   #33
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This may be true, but they haven't had a turbo bolted on it and weren't tuned the same as the new WRX is going to be (well, I guess the Forester XT is the 2.0DIT, but still tuned differently and bolted to a different transmission I think). I don't know for sure, maybe they're precisely the same, I know I still wouldn't fork out $30k on a new first MY car.
Nope, allegedly the same 6-spd trans already in use (and hated) as well. The engine has been sold in Japan at 296 HP this year as well (the WRX is a detuned version of that).

Regardless, that's what your warranty is for. Anything major wrong gets fixed. On some levels I get it, but this car is parts-bin, but moreso I think that sentiment is overhyped.

If you ask me, that's a pretty minor inconvenience vs. buying a completely different car, and suffering more depreciation because 3 months after you bought, your model was outdated.

Waiting a year before you buy is one thing. But buying another car all together seems silly.

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Old 11-23-2013, 11:45 AM   #34
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How are you guys getting such low rates on auto loans??

I have pretty good credit (for a 24 year old) and I got a 4.25% on my wife's Forester this summer
I had a co-signer but I got like 1.5 percent at chase through subaru
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:24 PM   #35
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I went to the dealer this morning first thing to see about getting one transfered from another dealership. They said they had a 5-door in silver coming in, but I told them I wanted a 4-door in world rally blue. They looked, and there were 'none available anywhere'.

I told them about the one in Pittsburgh, watched him put the info into their system. The car was there, plain as day the second time. That time he did a national search, and there looked like there were a lot of them throughout the country. The car is 5.5 hours away, and they said they only dealt with dealers in a 200 mile area. They asked if I would be willing to pay the $550ish it would cost to get it out here, and I told them absolutely. They said they'd call the dealer on Monday, but there was a "98% chance they won't do the deal".

They tried to sell me the silver 5-door again, or order a 2015. I told them I was firm on a blue 4-door. So they have my info, and I'm sure they'll call on Monday to tell me it's not going to happen. Also pretty sure they're not going to call Pittsburgh.

Went to another dealer, and as soon as I told him what I was after, the first words out of his mouth were, "That's just not going to happen." He then proceeded to pretend to sit down, and do a search, and said none were available. Sorry, nothing we can do for you.

So apparently nobody wants the business, or don't want to go to the effort of making a few phone calls.
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:28 PM   #36
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I went to the dealer this morning first thing to see about getting one transfered from another dealership. They said they had a 5-door in silver coming in, but I told them I wanted a 4-door in world rally blue. They looked, and there were 'none available anywhere'.

I told them about the one in Pittsburgh, watched him put the info into their system. The car was there, plain as day the second time. That time he did a national search, and there looked like there were a lot of them throughout the country. The car is 5.5 hours away, and they said they only dealt with dealers in a 200 mile area. They asked if I would be willing to pay the $550ish it would cost to get it out here, and I told them absolutely. They said they'd call the dealer on Monday, but there was a "98% chance they won't do the deal".

They tried to sell me the silver 5-door again, or order a 2015. I told them I was firm on a blue 4-door. So they have my info, and I'm sure they'll call on Monday to tell me it's not going to happen. Also pretty sure they're not going to call Pittsburgh.

Went to another dealer, and as soon as I told him what I was after, the first words out of his mouth were, "That's just not going to happen." He then proceeded to pretend to sit down, and do a search, and said none were available. Sorry, nothing we can do for you.

So apparently nobody wants the business, or don't want to go to the effort of making a few phone calls.


The car is only 5.5 hours away. Call them, go out there and buy it. Jesus.
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:30 PM   #37
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Good luck I spent the past 3 months looking for a new sti but I wound up with a 2011 With 11k miles for 29k. The right deal will come up if you wait. Don't settle in the end you will regret it.
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:35 PM   #38
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Yes for what you are after if you have to drive a few hours to pick it up DO IT! If you buy something b/c its convenient youll regret it.
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:38 PM   #39
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The car is only 5.5 hours away. Call them, go out there and buy it. Jesus.
This, absolutely.
It wouldn't cost $550 if you had a friend ride along, you paid for all gas and food, plus a hotel for a night.

I drove more than 5.5hrs for the last two used Subarus I bought.

It's a weekend road trip!

Call the dealer, speak to a MANAGER, work out all the details in advance so there are no surprises...drive and get it!
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:48 PM   #40
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Man i picked up my 2014 WRB sti sedan on a whim when the dealer received it literally a few hours before i got there and i was just gunna drop by and check out the cross trek lol. they literally told me if thats the color and model i wanted, to buy it now basically. So i left to the bank for about an hour, came back and the dealership already had 4 customers waiting in line incase i never came back. The car was on the lot a total of 6 HOURS before i drove it away. That car in that color is literally a dime. So if your sure theres one 5 hours away, i would highly suggest driving, or even flying ( break it in on the way back lol) to get it :] and don't settle man! its your money. get what YOU want. not what the dealer wants to sell you
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:12 PM   #41
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At 1.71% interest, I'd argue he shouldn't be putting ANY downlol:
Agree 100%. Guys get so caught up in down payments. With an interest rate that low you might save $65 a month. I would rather keep that 4k in an account or invest in a roth IRA. You might pay $1,500 interest on the lifetime of the loan, and that my friend aint ****
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:24 PM   #42
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They claim there's someone coming to look at it today. If it's still there on Monday, I'm going to see what their hours are next week. I took Wednesday off for travel to the folks house for the holiday, but I might have to make a detour...
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:35 PM   #43
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If you're willing to travel to Pittsburgh, you might want to check John Howard Subaru in Morgantown, WV. They have a sedan also.
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Old 11-24-2013, 10:01 AM   #44
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Ironically, I ordered my car first, and got financing second. I went to the dealership, put $500 (refundable) down for them to order me a 2012 base. No options. I believe that was around presidents weekend. It came in April 2. That's the day I had gotten financing. Up until that day, I wasn't sure I was even able to afford the car. So I saved until it came in and sold my other car after I picked up mine.
These people are right when saying don't pick up something you can't afford, it can really mess you up. Living to just pay your car note is not cool.
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Old 11-24-2013, 01:25 PM   #45
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I knew I could afford the car, I just wanted to makes sure I had financing before I went in and told them I wanted it. I have about $2500 a month after taxes, benefits, rent, etc. It can also be used as a bargaining chip to lower the rate on their financing. If I went in ther unprepared, they could have told me 7% is the best they could do, even with my credit score, all that bull****. When I was at the dealer I heard someone else bargaining 0.9%, so I know they can go that low.
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Old 11-24-2013, 01:47 PM   #46
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So you rent not own and are buying a $30k car on credit?

Yeah that's smart.
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Old 11-24-2013, 04:47 PM   #47
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So you rent not own and are buying a $30k car on credit?

Yeah that's smart.
Another ridiculous stereotype.

First...real estate is always a great investment right? That doesn't depend on a million things like area, market, personal circumstances (how long you plan on being there, family, etc.).

More importantly...the big point you missed stated before...

At 1.x% is makes all the sense in the world to finance the car AND USE THE MONEY he would have put down toward, for example, a house, or investments, other other debt which would be well above (or offer returns above) that interest rate.

Let's say the guy has 30k in the bank, by your asinine logic, he should buy the car cash, because he rents, vs. taking the loan on 100% of the car and using the 30k as a DP on a home. Where the hell did the world learn math?

More generally, simply because one rents, they can't afford a $30k car?

I have no idea if this guy can or can't afford the car...but your ridiculous logic leaps are flat out...well...ridiculous.

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Old 11-24-2013, 05:08 PM   #48
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I would look around for a new 2013 that the dealer needs to get rid of. Probably aren't any though.

That said, I would never buy a new car again. You can get a used car from a dealer and add an extended warranty. I know most of the time they do not pan out, but I have a 2009 FXT Limited, and just got a new turbo. All I paid for was an oil flush and a timing belt (to not have to replace it in 20K miles) I paid about $250 for it. They also gave me a Volvo S60 for free for 9 days.
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Old 11-24-2013, 05:11 PM   #49
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I rent because there's a very good chance the company will be relocating me in the next year or so to the other side of the country. No point wasting all that money on a house downpayment, and hoping the company will reimbust me when I have to sell and most likely take a loss on the house.
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I rent because there's a very good chance the company will be relocating me in the next year or so to the other side of the country. No point wasting all that money on a house downpayment, and hoping the company will reimbust me when I have to sell and most likely take a loss on the house.
That's actually pretty common and you're doing the smart thing. One of my neighbors is a company executive and renting a house. In the garage is a 911 turbo under a tarp with a pile of crap on top of it, a Ranger Rover and his daily car is a Maserati. I tend not to assume that he's making a stupid financial move by renting. He has some kind of new Lamborghini on order. He told me the name but it's not one in the current lineup.
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