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Old 04-14-2001, 06:54 PM   #1
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On manual trans, why do ppl put it in first when they park? Is this supposed to be better for the car? I hate starting my car, releasing the clutch and having it go BOOM.
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Old 04-14-2001, 06:56 PM   #2
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If you leave it in Neutral, and it's either hit, or for some odd reason the E-break fails, it can roll away. Putting it in first adds the safty of the tranny/engine preventing the car from moving.

Kinda like putting an auto in Park.

Besides, you're supposed to put the car in Neutral when you start it.
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Old 04-14-2001, 06:57 PM   #3
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MagicMT,
The reason why people do this is because when parking on an incline, having the car in gear will prohibit it from rolling in the event that the parking brake is not set correctly or someone forgets or if brake fails for some unknown reason.
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Old 04-14-2001, 06:58 PM   #4
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Yes I know it's supposed to be in neutral before I start it. I just didn't think I needed to check. There are no hills around where I live and people still do it!
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Old 04-14-2001, 07:00 PM   #5
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nevermind, I went stupid for a minute

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Old 04-14-2001, 07:01 PM   #6
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I have no idea why I just posted what I did.

It's good to get into the habit of putting it in first incase you DO start parking on a hill. You can't guarentee you're going to be parking on a flat surface forever.

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Old 04-14-2001, 07:21 PM   #7
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So the only reason to leave it in first is for parking on hills? If I'm on a hill can I just leave it in first and not use the E-brake?
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Old 04-14-2001, 07:25 PM   #8
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I always put my car in reverse while parked, then nudge it and it pops into neutral as i crank it.
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Old 04-14-2001, 07:31 PM   #9
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Depends on whether the vehicle is pointed uphill or downhill. If it is pointed uphill, putting it in 1st will resist rolling backward in case of Ebrake slippage. If it is pointed downhill, putting it in REVERSE will resist rolling forward. I'd always use the Ebrake in any case, as that is what it is designed for, and easier on the tranny, I think.
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Old 04-14-2001, 07:48 PM   #10
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urm. hmm. If my car might roll backwards, I put it in reverse. Same for the other direction. I think it's not so good to spin the engine backwards for some reason.
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Old 04-14-2001, 08:04 PM   #11
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Personally, I always leave the car in neutural when parked. My reason is that if someone bumps you when they park arround you, (and in my neighborhood people are animals, they just don't care, they don't stop till they hit you) you don't damage the tranny.

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Old 04-14-2001, 08:24 PM   #12
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Horatio, er, umm, if your car is pointed uphill, and your car is in reverse, it won't do didly to stop it rolling backward if the parking brake slips. Might as well keep it in neutral and have it take a solo trip downtown if the brake slips. The engine won't 'spin' the opposite to which it is geared.

I tend to do what the situation dictates. If it's fairly level, I pretty much trust the brake to do the job, and Dandbest's point is well taken. If I'm in an oddball parking spot with a good incline, I tend to favor countering the risk of it rolling away.

But hey, life is full of trade-offs and calculated risks.

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Old 04-14-2001, 08:33 PM   #13
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My dad taught me to put it in second when parked. Does it do the same thing are is first better.
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Old 04-14-2001, 09:00 PM   #14
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I always leave my tranny in neutral while parked, because I hate to wear out the shifter spring. After a couple of years leaving it in 1st while parked, the spring wears out and doesn't self center. Kinda anal but that's what I do.
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Old 04-14-2001, 09:40 PM   #15
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I was always taught that it really doesn't matter whether you put it in first or reverse, because the point is not which direction the engine will spin, it's how low the gear is. Both first and reverse are geared low enough that the weight of the car, on whatever hill you're on, won't make the engine spin.

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Putting it in 2nd isn't too big a deal, but it's geared higher than first, so it's easier for the wieght of the car (on a steep hill) to turn the engine and let it roll.

One thing that one of my friends used to do, and has gotten me into the habit of doing, is choosing whether you put it in first or reverse by the first direction you're going to move when you start the car. For instance, if I pull into a parking space forward, I put it into reverse. When I start it, I simply release the e-brake, push in the clutch, crank it, and start going... It's either the lazy man's way, or the one who's in a hurry, I haven't figured it out yet...

Hope this helps a little!
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p.s. by the way, one of my friends was trying to prove the importance of putting it in a low enough gear once, so he was parked slightly pointed downhill, put it in 4th, and proceeded to let it roll forward about 10 feet before stopping it... Probably not too good on the tranny, but it got the point across
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Old 04-14-2001, 09:50 PM   #16
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Wow, what a technical topic! If you really want to keep your car from rolling up/down hill. In drivers ed, they teach you to turn your front tires into the curb, so the if the car rolls at all it just bumps into the curb, and stops. And no, if you park your car properly, it won't roll over the curb.
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Old 04-14-2001, 09:51 PM   #17
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To the original statement, I must reply with this, if honestly you can't remember to take your car out of first after you start it, do one of two things, a.) don't put it in neutral and if it rolls --- we told ya so or b.) buy an automatic. Sorry to be so blunt but well, I guess I just picked a bad week to quit smoking.

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Old 04-14-2001, 09:55 PM   #18
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My aren't we cranky? I have another alternative. I'll turn my wheels when I park and I won't let anyone drive my car again.
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Old 04-14-2001, 09:58 PM   #19
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That too is another good idea! My apologies for my crankiness!
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Old 04-14-2001, 10:09 PM   #20
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Wow, there's a quite a difference of opinion. So, if I'm remembering correctly, to park a manual, you should:
1) leave it in first (on flat or pointing downhill or maybe uphill)...
2) or in second (if taught by dad or want to be easier on tranny but not as good as first?)...
3) or leave it in reverse (on flat and if you'll reverse when leaving or pointing uphill or maybe downhill)...
4) or neutral (to save the transmission and shifter spring unless you're prone to forgetting the emergency brake/power slider lever)...
5) or just do whatever and turn your wheels toward the curb

Didn't think parking a manual was so tough! Feel like changing my WRX order to an auto.

I guess just choose the one you believe most and get into a routine of it and soon it'll be like putting an auto in "Drive" before you drive.
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Old 04-14-2001, 10:30 PM   #21
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Sooberman:
I think the easiest reply to this is that all of these will probably be fine. Everyone just has their own little twist on it

"To each his own"

Other than that, I have only one more word of advice:
Whatever you decide to do in the parking situation, make sure you're car doesn't require you to put it in 'park'.
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Old 04-16-2001, 11:41 AM   #22
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Because everyone has been nice enough not to say it, I guess I will: I should check my facts before firing my posts off. It is the gear ratio ("reflected inertia") that plays a part in keeping the car from rolling, and a friend I consulted made the point that with the engine off, the sealed cylinders prevent the pistons from moving.

That having been said, I am now hopping on the bandwagon of GearGuru's last post. :-)
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Old 04-16-2001, 11:48 AM   #23
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i always through it into 1st and yank the ebrake. but in the scooby i would jam the shifter all the way up intill it would lock and i could hear it click in hehe
anyway is a good way. i saw the FUNNIEST thing the other day, some kid probably 1 or so and got out of the car after parking and it just literally rolled down the hill. not only did he NOT put on the ebrake, he didn't turn the wheels and he didn't put it in gear. So he lost on ALL aconts he has skill
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Old 04-16-2001, 04:33 PM   #24
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Neutral for WRX, 1st/Reverse for 2.5RS. 2.5 RS owners can put your car in gear when parked. But not for the WRX. Remember the mandatory tubo warm up/cool down time?
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Old 04-16-2001, 04:48 PM   #25
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Bake the brakes while it is sitting still?
ref. Gambit: Momma always told me not to touch a hot pot with mah bare hands, like what my glowing rotors/parking drums will be to mah parking shoes off a hot lap. Don't want them fusing together.

If it's level, I do brake only; inclined, in gear. Autos are always in (P) gear, don't know of any today that let you pull the key out otherwise. But set the parking brake before releasing the foot brake so Park isn't tensioned.

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