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Old 12-23-2013, 09:56 AM   #126
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I think the CVT option is great. Reason being, some of my friends got injured over seas and always wanted to own a WRX/STI, now they finally have that option.
Absolutely. It always buggs me when people criticize automatic transmissions in sportscars. People forget that not everyone is blessed with the physical capability of operating 3 pedals and a lever at all times.

That being said, we can all still agree that a DSG would have been better even though a CVT is lighter and more efficient.

But regardless of any of that, even the good old 4EAT was awesome at some things....Let's hope the CVT can handle some boost.


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Old 12-24-2013, 10:44 PM   #127
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I was willing to deal with a somewhat ugly redesign, but seriously subaru ? No rumble ? That was the last straw and I have no motivation to buy a WRX now. THANKS SUBARU
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:09 AM   #128
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Can anyone else not stand the presenter? He spent a minute yapping about the CVT transmission. Sounds like he was reading off a script.

"If you are an automatic person, you should get the CVT. If you like to shift gears yourself, maybe you should get the manual gearbox."

Yeah this is no doubt a "canned" review. Presenter is annoying as hell.
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Old 12-30-2013, 03:05 AM   #129
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:21 AM   #130
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I was willing to deal with a somewhat ugly redesign, but seriously subaru ? No rumble ? That was the last straw and I have no motivation to buy a WRX now. THANKS SUBARU
Yeah, just remember that it's for a good cause. Equal length headers and a close mounted turbo means big performance gains. Fortunately it sounds decent and exotic enough from the video clips even without the rumble.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:12 PM   #131
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I want the 6MT reviews, where are they? Yes the CVT is nice to have for all the physically unfit or stupid to drive a manual, but lets be honest nothing beats that feel of total control.


*this statement excludes the god car aka GTR it is simply too good for its own good
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:52 PM   #132
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I want the 6MT reviews, where are they? Yes the CVT is nice to have for all the physically unfit or stupid to drive a manual, but lets be honest nothing beats that feel of total control.


*this statement excludes the god car aka GTR it is simply too good for its own good
Naw..... lets just beat around the proverbial bush.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:39 PM   #133
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I want the 6MT reviews, where are they? Yes the CVT is nice to have for all the physically unfit or stupid to drive a manual, but lets be honest nothing beats that feel of total control.


*this statement excludes the god car aka GTR it is simply too good for its own good
Go drive a newer 6 speed legacy or outback. It's the same trans. Maybe different ratio's. I thought it was funny that he said it was the best Subaru has built when it's the only 6 speed in the US they have built.
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Old 12-30-2013, 02:09 PM   #134
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4/10…would not bang. Maybe french kiss
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:27 PM   #135
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Im not digging the body at all...

The drivetrain would have to be very impressive, and that video doesnt show anything impressive as far as that goes. The driver floors it in sport sharp and the car is like a civic.... makes noise but goes nowhere.... so I would definitely have to try a 6MT out to see if there is a difference.

This 6MT doesnt have DCCD so that is a big turn off. It had better hold up like the STI. No breaking gears BS.
I would have to take that EL header off and have a shop make me a custom twinscroll UEL header, I cant stand to sound like a Honda.

The trunk in MY06 needed about 3 more inches of vertical clearance... I had to put a lot of big **** in the cabin in the back seat (shop vac tools etc).I would bet it has less clearance than my 06 did since they specifically talk about more space in the back seating area.

I am a little sized guy (5' 9" 160 LBS) so a seat that im not sliding around in at the limit would be great. Got plenty of blisters from sliding on the leather in my 06 limited on a sweaty ass kind of day in shorts.

Of course a car is going to steer better when it weighs less and you are just cruising. I want to see it perform on the track first before one can say it handles like a Porsche. Understeer sucked on my 06. I had to put an equally stiff sway in the back as I did the front, and have it adjusted full stiffness, and also go with a more aggressive alignment just to get that damn thing to handle nice.

I dont see myself spending the money for another problematic engine. The static compression on this engine is gonna cause a whole new engine debacle with people wanting to modify to bigger power levels. Now you HAVE to yank the eng and lower compression before you can get away from being det limited because of pump gas's limitations of resistance to knock.

More money for the car, more money to build, and now you have to worry about direct injection pumps failing ($$$). The same or worse fear of having an expensive paperweight just seems more apparent than it ever did.

With that said I think if I was going to buy a new car in 2015 I'm almost positive it wont be a Subaru :-\ especially since they dropped the 5 door. Im gonna have to hunt my arse off for a wagon now Im sure and its definitely gonna have to be a 10-14 as I dont like the 02-07 wagons, and 08 and 09 had all those problems.

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Old 12-30-2013, 05:33 PM   #136
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Who cares about the loss of boxer rumble when there is a clear performance gain and CVT is a good thing...the 6-speed is long over due and why would anyone expect Subaru to design a custom 6-speed for the WRX as they would an STi?? A decent automatic transmission will ensure that more vehicles are sold...an uptick in WRX sales due to a CVT providing a decent hp to mpg bragging rights only means all of us who want to see the WRX continue to be built have that much more insurance that Subaru will continue to invest money into a product for us. Looks are debatable...but the more I see the WRX the more I like it...I am sure it will look good in person but my main interest is the STi...I don't know why everyone is holding this WRX to STi standards. It performs more like an STi than it should already IMO...and people are complaining about it.
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Old 12-30-2013, 07:47 PM   #137
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This looks to be the most aggressive WRX yet, great to see they are really understanding the target market for the car. A stock WRX was always a bit soft for better or for worse. I am excited to see the details of the bits that were put in to make this car handle.

The CVT is very interesting, I would totally skip it in favor of the stick, the idea of it being a 6 or 8 ratio fake-out seems dumb, you miss the whole point of a CVT. But Ryan's review does put it in a good light, neat to see the quick response to the paddles, this is typically not a strong suit of the CVT, the Subaru CVTs I have driven before take forever just to kick down some ratio when you give it the boot from a stop or a cruise.
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Old 12-30-2013, 08:35 PM   #138
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Who cares about the loss of boxer rumble when there is a clear performance gain and CVT is a good thing...the 6-speed is long over due and why would anyone expect Subaru to design a custom 6-speed for the WRX as they would an STi?? A decent automatic transmission will ensure that more vehicles are sold...an uptick in WRX sales due to a CVT providing a decent hp to mpg bragging rights only means all of us who want to see the WRX continue to be built have that much more insurance that Subaru will continue to invest money into a product for us. Looks are debatable...but the more I see the WRX the more I like it...I am sure it will look good in person but my main interest is the STi...I don't know why everyone is holding this WRX to STi standards. It performs more like an STi than it should already IMO...and people are complaining about it.
I wasnt expecting them to design a custom 6 spd and I agree its long overdue. The issue I was referencing is that the wrx wont hold big power for long without trans being built and im curious to as how the new 6mt holds up and how the viscous center diff and VDC react in comparison.

Have you ever driven a CVT? Ever feel how heartless it is and appears? The "launch control" doesnt do squat in that video. It still takes 6 second to get to 60 mph and its even more sluggish out of the gate than the old slushboxes and 5mt. Launch the 5mt and I guarantee your 60mph times are less than that. I havent driven a CVT that actually puts the power to the ground. They all feel like the driveline is eating half the power made when you floor it.

I personally wouldnt care if they discontinued the wrxs production at this point. In my opinion they have ruined the car. It accelerates way slow from a dead stop even the video showed that. Unless the 6mt is geared way lower it probably will be much similar in heartless-ness.

The only thing that has changed for the better IMO is IF the handling is in fact better than thats its strongest selling point with me. I wasnt impressed by the way the car accelerated from a stop but I was impressed that you could hear the turbo spool up almost instantly.

However comparing the wrx to perform like an STI is stupid. They were worlds apart before the so called improvements and now this just sets them that much farther apart...

Again like I said before though this is my opinion. These are some of the things I was looking for in the 2015. They didnt address any of them and ditched the wagon and screwed the body. They lost my next car purchase. I think I might go to the darkside. Build an sti killer evo


Edit - the CVT wont get anywhere near the mileage in the 6MT unless you drive in I ALL the time. So you point of having HP to MPG bragging rights is pretty much nil since the 6MT doesnt have si drive

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Old 12-31-2013, 01:35 AM   #139
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Have you ever driven a CVT? Ever feel how heartless it is and appears? The "launch control" doesnt do squat in that video. It still takes 6 second to get to 60 mph and its even more sluggish out of the gate than the old slushboxes and 5mt. Launch the 5mt and I guarantee your 60mph times are less than that. I havent driven a CVT that actually puts the power to the ground. They all feel like the driveline is eating half the power made when you floor it.
They're not fun at all. Try and use "launch control" with it enough times and I bet it won't hold up. They're the lazy man's transmission as you only have to change the fluid every 50,000 miles and even that might be overkill. Great for a family car. Not good for a turbo'd performance vehicle. You're spot on with how much power the CVT robs.
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:17 AM   #140
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Beings this is the WRX, I am not overly impressed with it. But that is coming from one that drives a STi. I looks like Subaru wants to draw in a older cround and go little more on the lux side with it. I will not go into the performance on this car. Enough people have done that lol. But for those who are upset about this car, why not wait and see what Subaru does with the STi. I am hoping they make it more aggressive and meet the needs of the performance enthusiast.

With time we will see this car grow as we have always seen. Hopefully for the better.
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Old 12-31-2013, 08:13 AM   #141
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Beings this is the WRX, I am not overly impressed with it. But that is coming from one that drives a STi. I looks like Subaru wants to draw in a older cround and go little more on the lux side with it. I will not go into the performance on this car. Enough people have done that lol. But for those who are upset about this car, why not wait and see what Subaru does with the STi. I am hoping they make it more aggressive and meet the needs of the performance enthusiast.

With time we will see this car grow as we have always seen. Hopefully for the better.
There is 0 luxury to this car. Did you not hear in the video that the interior is nearly unchanged? And the exterior just screams luxury lol
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:48 AM   #142
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There is 0 luxury to this car. Did you not hear in the video that the interior is nearly unchanged? And the exterior just screams luxury lol






....although they still can't figure out to put auto up/down on all four windows instead of just the driver' side. #firstworldproblems
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Okay let me rephrase that... this car has VERY LITTLE luxury... still doesnt have a good Nav unit, and its got steering wheel radio controls... pretty much it... oh and a few gauges that half the country cant read properly or dont know what they are looking at.

Yeah this car screams luxury
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wonder how strong that 6 speed will be?
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....although they still can't figure out to put auto up/down on all four windows instead of just the driver' side. #firstworldproblems

nice looking interior!
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Okay let me rephrase that... this car has VERY LITTLE luxury... still doesnt have a good Nav unit, and its got steering wheel radio controls... pretty much it... oh and a few gauges that half the country cant read properly or dont know what they are looking at.

Yeah this car screams luxury
Power Heated leather seats, heated mirrors/wipers, bush button start, HK amp/speakers, automatic climate control, soft touch dash and doors, streaming bluetooth, leather wrapped flat bottom steering wheel...

These are all features that could be considered above standard, dare I say, luxury?

What more are you expecting to be considered "luxury"?
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^this, plus it's all relative. Even Hyundai has heated and cooled seats now. New model is more "luxurious" than the previous, but less "luxurious" than a Bentley (duh). We could make comparisons all day, "the new WRX is less luxurious than a Maybach!", but why does that matter?

I see plenty of potential for Subaru to "2012 this 2009" if you know what I mean, but that's just my humble opinion. I also see less people having to mount their V3 APs. Every generation it's the same thing, and the more angles I see the new car in, the more I like it... Has potential in the right aftermarket hands.




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Power Heated leather seats, heated mirrors/wipers, bush button start, HK amp/speakers, automatic climate control, soft touch dash and doors, streaming bluetooth, leather wrapped flat bottom steering wheel...

These are all features that could be considered above standard, dare I say, luxury?

What more are you expecting to be considered "luxury"?
Lets see power seats might be new but heated leather seats are not. Heated wipers are not new. Auto climate control... not new. And the soft touch dash and doors isnt new either... I had all of those features in my 06 limited.... my point here is this what one may consider luxurious is not to another person. The wrx is still the same **** box it was before just with a different engine and a few minor interior changes.
Ive driven several new luxury cars and the wrx is definitely not luxurious by any means. The cabin is still pretty bland if you ask me

In almost ten years the only thing they could come up with is extremely minor.

How about driver seat memory? I have stupid long legs for my height and I have to back the seat up so I can get in and out easily then I have to readjust it so I am positioned well enough to reach said "luxuries". How about a HUD on the windshield like the concept? How about motorized folding mirrors?

These are not rocket science and I feel if im going to call it luxurious it needs to have some of the features I listed above. Oh and how about a more comfortable seat? The seats in my 06 were like concrete...

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