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Old 01-01-2014, 10:23 AM   #151
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ok...the car is what it is, BUT why not put a real driver behind the wheel for the test drive?! This guy is going 40mph around sweepers and saying the car corners...well a camry would likely give the same effect at those speeds! sorry if I come off sounding extra critical. bad review, don't make any decisions based on this drive.
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:32 AM   #152
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So without the unequal length headers, will aftermarket exhaust make it sound like a normal inline 4-cylinder?
I guess....in the same way this sounds like a "normal" inline 4-cylinder..

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Old 01-01-2014, 11:38 AM   #153
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So without the unequal length headers, will aftermarket exhaust make it sound like a normal inline 4-cylinder?
Very similar
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:55 PM   #154
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Subaru... what are you doing?
Subaru... stop.

Not only is the new WRX boring to look at, it sounds boring too! The CVT slushbox option doesn't help matters.
When I look at this thing, there is no soul to it. It's just... bland.

Subaru, remember that the hardcore enthusiasts are the customers that got you to where you are today, not the average commuter.
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:05 PM   #155
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Subaru... what are you doing?
Subaru... stop.

Not only is the new WRX boring to look at, it sounds boring too! The CVT slushbox option doesn't help matters.
When I look at this thing, there is no soul to it. It's just... bland.

Subaru, remember that the hardcore enthusiasts are the customers that got you to where you are today, not the average commuter.
Sadly wrx and sti sales are likely a VERY small percentage of overall sales annually. Their target market is going to reflect this regardless of us purchasing one of many models and being an enthusiast. We are few and far between anymore in comparison to the amount of people who want a 200hp grocery getter that gets 30+ MPG
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:22 PM   #156
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Subaru... what are you doing?
Subaru... stop.

Not only is the new WRX boring to look at, it sounds boring too! The CVT slushbox option doesn't help matters.
When I look at this thing, there is no soul to it. It's just... bland.

Subaru, remember that the hardcore enthusiasts are the customers that got you to where you are today, not the average commuter.
Hardcore enthusiasts wouldn't be bitching about losing a sound compared to the vastly improved performance and tuning capabilities of a twin scroll and EL header arrangement.

Sorry to say it. Your true enthusiasts are more concerned about the performance of the car. ALL the aspects of the vehicle's performance. Not just the 0-60.
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Old 01-02-2014, 03:54 AM   #157
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There is so much stupid in this thread it makes my head hurt.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:12 AM   #158
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The previous WRX and STI sold very quickly when they got to the dealerships and I'm sure it will be the same with this model if people like it. If you don't like it then don't buy one. A drop in sales would lead to changes.
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Subaru... what are you doing?
Subaru... stop.

Not only is the new WRX boring to look at, it sounds boring too! The CVT slushbox option doesn't help matters.
When I look at this thing, there is no soul to it. It's just... bland.

Subaru, remember that the hardcore enthusiasts are the customers that got you to where you are today, not the average commuter.
What a bunch of clowns some or you are. Equal length headers offer a variety of performance improvements over unequal and it's asinine that some of you would get upset about Subaru improving their engines at the cost of what most people consider an obnoxious rumble.
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Old 01-02-2014, 06:27 PM   #160
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These are not rocket science and I feel if im going to call it luxurious it needs to have some of the features I listed above. Oh and how about a more comfortable seat? The seats in my 06 were like concrete...
I would agree the WRX is not luxurious. Do you think this might be a case of what you want for the product not being what the product planners at Subaru think will sell? Subarus have not typically been lavishly equipped cars. You can barely get memory seats in a Legacy, only some special models. I had always said I would have paid more for a better equipped WRX but I don't think many feel the same.

There is not always a lot to compare to the WRX, when I bought my 09 the Mazdaspeed 3 or GTI was better equipped but you don't get AWD there so what do you want to pay for, driveline or luxuries. It does seem like the concept of "luxury" doesn't really exist any more when you can get those memory seats on an Elantra. On the WRX you get aluminum LCAs, so again what are you looking for, performance or features? I had a Chrysler 300C rental a couple weeks ago, it had probably all the luxury stuff you would want, heated/cooled seats and cupholders, heated steering wheel, memory seats with the exit feature you'd like, good nav system, motorized sunshade etc. I would suggest for what you are looking for this might be a nice ride, AWD and 300hp it is not bad. But that car will run you 40k and while fast will not drive like a WRX. The Golf R is probably as close as you can get to a WRX with more features, and those run like 34k don't even know if they have a memory seat though a nice interior. Seems like as ever there isn't much to compare the WRX to. The STI is going to look like an even worse deal with probably the same feature level for even more money!

Subaru definitely went to cheap on the interior for 08 it was all hard plastic,, so it is a bit of back pedaling. SOA said that the 05-09 Legacy cost too much to produce so perhaps the 02-06 was the same issues, they had to make the car cheaper to make. The WRX has been getting cheaper to buy every year inflation adjusted. This is a very competitive business so every little feature they put or don't put into the car is scrutinized for sure. USDM WRX even has a few features dropped compared to the ROW versions.

BTW If you want power folding mirrors, that is easy, I have a '12 Impreza JDM set in the basement that would likely fit this model, been swapping the folding mirrors on for years, at least that is easy to do! No reason to think this WRX will be any different.
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I would agree the WRX is not luxurious. Do you think this might be a case of what you want for the product not being what the product planners at Subaru think will sell? Subarus have not typically been lavishly equipped cars. You can barely get memory seats in a Legacy, only some special models. I had always said I would have paid more for a better equipped WRX but I don't think many feel the same.

There is not always a lot to compare to the WRX, when I bought my 09 the Mazdaspeed 3 or GTI was better equipped but you don't get AWD there so what do you want to pay for, driveline or luxuries. It does seem like the concept of "luxury" doesn't really exist any more when you can get those memory seats on an Elantra. On the WRX you get aluminum LCAs, so again what are you looking for, performance or features? I had a Chrysler 300C rental a couple weeks ago, it had probably all the luxury stuff you would want, heated/cooled seats and cupholders, heated steering wheel, memory seats with the exit feature you'd like, good nav system, motorized sunshade etc. I would suggest for what you are looking for this might be a nice ride, AWD and 300hp it is not bad. But that car will run you 40k and while fast will not drive like a WRX. The Golf R is probably as close as you can get to a WRX with more features, and those run like 34k don't even know if they have a memory seat though a nice interior. Seems like as ever there isn't much to compare the WRX to. The STI is going to look like an even worse deal with probably the same feature level for even more money!

Subaru definitely went to cheap on the interior for 08 it was all hard plastic,, so it is a bit of back pedaling. SOA said that the 05-09 Legacy cost too much to produce so perhaps the 02-06 was the same issues, they had to make the car cheaper to make. The WRX has been getting cheaper to buy every year inflation adjusted. This is a very competitive business so every little feature they put or don't put into the car is scrutinized for sure. USDM WRX even has a few features dropped compared to the ROW versions.

BTW If you want power folding mirrors, that is easy, I have a '12 Impreza JDM set in the basement that would likely fit this model, been swapping the folding mirrors on for years, at least that is easy to do! No reason to think this WRX will be any different.
Its not all luxury that turns me away. What is Subaru gonna do when the direct injection seals go and people are blowing their engines just like in the FA20? Is this engine really gonna be worth it. Is it going to get me to 100k?
I guess my opinion may be shallow but I guess I should just say im very skeptic of its longevity and I dont like the body and no wagon and being overall a bland car except the 6MT and handling changes. Im definitely in the hunt for a 11-14 hatch or something else altogether. And if its a hatch its likely to be the last Subaru I will ever buy unless they makes some other changes to catch my sale in the future. I wouldnt want my name on that car if I was the designers at Subaru
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:18 PM   #162
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The previous WRX and STI sold very quickly when they got to the dealerships and I'm sure it will be the same with this model if people like it. If you don't like it then don't buy one. A drop in sales would lead to changes.
That's exactly what I did, voted with my wallet. Lets hope my vote leads to changes in the future.

Folks - cars are very irrational and subjective things. Being put off by the absence of the iconic sound may not matter to some folks, but to others it may have been a key aspect of the overall experience of having something unique, even if it meant a little loss in performance. I feel like there are a lot of "dismissive" responses to those that are not happy about this upcoming model year.
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That's exactly what I did, voted with my wallet. Lets hope my vote leads to changes in the future.

Folks - cars are very irrational and subjective things. Being put off by the absence of the iconic sound may not matter to some folks, but to others it may have been a key aspect of the overall experience of having something unique, even if it meant a little loss in performance. I feel like there are a lot of "dismissive" responses to those that are not happy about this upcoming model year.
Shutterbug, I want to shake your hand. Thank you! I said what was on my mind earlier and left it at that. However, there are at least three replies calling me (in polite terms) a fool for not liking the new engine design.

I've noticed many people in this thread getting bashed because they are upset that the rumble is gone. As you said, that iconic sound was a key aspect for many Subaru enthusiasts (including me). I would gladly sacrifice the tiny performance gain that the equal-length headers provides. Some prefer the new engine design and that's fine by me. I'm not going to call people "idiots" (or worse) just for that.

Remember guys, we have all supported Subaru at some point. Some of us may support them more with their recent decisions, some of us may support them less. Just, respect one another, okay? We are all entitled to our own opinion.

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Lol at TWIN SCROLL being a "tiny" performance gain.
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By shutter's own assertation, the people being "dismissive" have just as much right to express that they're a fan of Subaru moving to a more efficient engine setup. One could just as easily say "I feel like people are being dismissive to those who are actually going to see the car/test drive it before passing e-judgement on its 'lack of soul'." If I like what I see in person, I'm definitely using my wallet to vote for this new direction.
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By shutter's own assertation, the people being "dismissive" have just as much right to express that they're a fan of Subaru moving to a more efficient engine setup. One could just as easily say "I feel like people are being dismissive to those who are actually going to see the car/test drive it before passing e-judgement on its 'lack of soul'." If I like what I see in person, I'm definitely using my wallet to vote for this new direction.
I am referring to the "name calling" on the part of these folks, e.g "stupid", "clowns" etc. So far the only constructive arguments for the car is that there is some performance gain to be had with the equal length headers and TS turbo. These are fine points to make. What is debatable is whether these updates outweigh some of the styling and sound losses. I know that I wouldn't have traded the wonderful sound of my COBB TBE for an extra 10-20HP. Others might. Neither is a stupid clown for it. This thread is really a discussion of why you may or may not want to buy this car so its going to be full of subjectivity. Taking a first order look, there appear to be two camps:
1) Those that feel like Subaru is making the car more generic and taking away the iconic essence of what made us excited about these cars in the first place (in some cases, even back in the early 90's)
2) Those that feel that every cinch of performance is what matters, at any cost.
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3) those that are impressed with the overall package.

I'll miss the rumble myself, but I actually like the exterior and really love the new interior. And I'm sure there'll be an aftermarket exhaust that I'll like for the new car. Performance is too relative; any car can be modded to perform in any way. But again, I'm not gonna pass judgement until I go on a test drive.

Still waiting for a reviewer to discuss the LED headlight performance in the Limited.
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I agree that the interior is a big improvement. They really killed it for me with the exterior though (just looks like a generic global low-cost sedan). Also those wheels are just ghastly. Does anyone like the wheels?

Even though I've made my choice for now, I'm still curious to see if the STI can fix some of these things. I am hoping there is always an STI I can run to in the future.
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Looks are extremely subjective. I've seen angles in pics that I don't like, and angles that I do like. The exterior angle I added back in post 148 is an example of one that I really like. People are saying that it looks much better in person, which I can understand because I didn't like the GR in pics. So I'm gonna wait to pass judgement until the auto show. I'm a big fan of sleepers, and the more I see the exterior, the more I'm digging it. Gonna play with some things, thinking about getting the black foglight surrounds painted to match the body. I don't mind the rims, gonna see how they look in gold. If not, there a million other options out there with the new bolt pattern.

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Lol at TWIN SCROLL being a "tiny" performance gain.
Scooby24, you're part of the problem.

Cut it out.
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Scooby24, you're part of the problem.

Cut it out.
The only problem is people making opinions on things they know nothing about.
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Scooby24, how DARE you share an opposing viewpoint about twin scroll versus single scroll turbos. You're everything wrong with this forum, and America.
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The only problem is people making opinions on things they know nothing about.
It's true I may not know everything there is to know about engines. I will be the first to admit that. What I do know is that I enjoy the sound of (the old) Subaru boxer burble. My preference for a car is to have something that looks decent and sounds nice, not how much I can tune the thing... but that's just me.

Was the old engine 100% efficient? Maybe not, but keep in mind that 20% - 30% of the fuel you put into your tank is wasted through combustion. In that respect, the whole idea of a combustion engine is inefficient and we should all be driving vehicles with electric motors instead, but I digress.

My point is, don't make rude or snide remarks about someone's opinion. My first post on here wasn't even directed at anyone. If anything, it was directed at Subaru (who I doubt you work for). I said what I intended to say (while not bashing any other opinions) and expected to leave it at that... until you insinuated that I wasn't a hardcore enthusiast because I value a different aspect of the vehicle.

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Scooby24, how DARE you share an opposing viewpoint about twin scroll versus single scroll turbos. You're everything wrong with this forum, and America.
And to be perfectly clear, nightdown fox, I was not saying anything against Mr. Scooby24's opinion of the TS turbo. If he would rather have the TS over the burble, more power to him! Nowhere did I tell him he was wrong for preferring the twin scroll... nowhere. I'm sure he'll be able to do a lot of awesome mods with the car. That isn't my problem, though. As shutterbug said, the people who are more obsessed with performance seem to have a dismissive attitude towards those of us who aren't as concerned with performance.
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Perhaps you shouldn't be speaking to Subaru on behalf of "hardcore enthusiasts" if you don't understand that many of us have been begging and pleading for a twin scroll turbo offering for a long time. It's more than tuning potential. When/if you drive the new WRX you'll instantly understand why a twin scroll has such a huge advantage for daily driving as well as in autocross and at the track. Most of us that have driven a twin scroll are not in the least concerned about losing a burble because the advantages far, far, far outweigh the sound.
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Perhaps you shouldn't be speaking to Subaru on behalf of "hardcore enthusiasts" if you don't understand that many of us have been begging and pleading for a twin scroll turbo offering for a long time. It's more than tuning potential. When/if you drive the new WRX you'll instantly understand why a twin scroll has such a huge advantage for daily driving as well as in autocross and at the track. Most of us that have driven a twin scroll are not in the least concerned about losing a burble because the advantages far, far, far outweigh the sound.
And again, that's your opinion, and I respect that. Just an FYI, there are those of us who are hardcore enthusiasts who didn't beg for the twin scroll... just saying.

I'm not a tuner, so I would prefer the sound over the performance. There's no rhyme or reason to it; it's just my preference (just like the equal length headers seem to be your preference). I don't need the car to be fast, but I can understand the desire for it.

In any case, enjoy the twin scroll. I hope the new engine layout works out well for you guys.
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