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Old 12-27-2013, 08:45 PM   #1
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Default Engine failure rates, MG, Mini and Audi fail

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ty-survey.html

Engine reliability - top 10 brands according to Warranty Direct
1. Honda (failure rate: 1 in 344)
2. Toyota (failure rate: 1 in 171)
3. Mercedes-Benz (failure rate: 1 in 119)
4. Volvo (failure rate: 1 in 111)
5. Jaguar (failure rate: 1 in 103)
6. Lexus (failure rate: 1 in 101)
7. Fiat (failure rate: 1 in 85)
8. Ford (failure rate: 1 in 80)
9. Nissan (failure rate: 1 in 76)
10. Land Rover (failure rate: 1 in 72)
Engine reliability - bottom 10 brands according to Warranty Direct
1. MG Rover (failure rate: 1 in 13)
2. Audi (failure rate: 1 in 27)
3. Mini (failure rate: 1 in 40)
4. Saab (failure rate: 1 in 40)
5. Vauxhall (failure rate: 1 in 41)
6. Peugeot (failure rate: 1 in 44)
7. BMW (failure rate: 1 in 45)
8. Renault (failure rate: 1 in 46)
9. Volkswagen (failure rate: 1 in 52)
10. Mitsubishi (failure rate: 1 in 59)
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Old 12-27-2013, 08:59 PM   #2
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What is the definition of engine failure here? Like warranty work swapping a short block?
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:36 PM   #3
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well at least everyone knows that they should buy ford parts.
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Old 12-27-2013, 11:33 PM   #4
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So is Subaru somewhere in the middle? Should be top ten easy.
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Old 12-27-2013, 11:50 PM   #5
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So is Subaru somewhere in the middle? Should be top ten easy.
Subaru engines are hardly top 10 in anything except for being old.
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Old 12-28-2013, 12:28 AM   #6
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It's an aftermarket warranty provider. People buying those contracts tend to not maintain the vehicles as well as they should. I would take this study with a grain of salt.
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Old 12-28-2013, 06:32 AM   #7
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So is Subaru somewhere in the middle? Should be top ten easy.




http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/315
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:52 AM   #8
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How about a current result? What about one for the WRX in England? Oh wait, they don't sell them there any more!
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Old 12-28-2013, 11:21 AM   #9
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So is Subaru somewhere in the middle? Should be top ten easy.


For engine reliability? Surely you jest.
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Old 12-28-2013, 03:35 PM   #10
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Who knew the guys that make primarily low tech (Honda only introduced DI this year) NA 4-cylinder engines would have the highest engine reliability?
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Old 12-28-2013, 03:58 PM   #11
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My S4 3.0 supercharged has been rock solid for 2+ years. I havent heard much about Audi engine failures on audi forums atleast. Maybe they rated the diesel models?
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Old 12-28-2013, 04:05 PM   #12
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I'm thinking "Engine failures" means anything bolted to the engine. Could be a bad injector, could be a sensor, could be a catastrophic failure, they are all "engine failure"

So...............useless.
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Old 12-28-2013, 06:06 PM   #13
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I'm thinking "Engine failures" means anything bolted to the engine. Could be a bad injector, could be a sensor, could be a catastrophic failure, they are all "engine failure"

So...............useless.
Kinda what I was thinking. This article is ambiguous and horrible.

I typically view engine failure as relating to shortblock and or the heads of the engine.
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:32 PM   #14
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Agreed guys.. no freaking way 1 out of every 12 audi's has an engine failure..

Just goes to show you that statistics and facts mean nothing unless the full disclosure of data is given.
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Old 12-28-2013, 10:42 PM   #15
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Toyota and Lexus are separated too?
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Old 12-28-2013, 11:25 PM   #16
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These statistics indicates the amount of warranty service claims.

When the check engine light comes on, there is an issue that needs to be looked at.
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Old 12-29-2013, 07:57 AM   #17
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My S4 3.0 supercharged has been rock solid for 2+ years. I havent heard much about Audi engine failures on audi forums atleast. Maybe they rated the diesel models?
I'm thinking about one of these for my next car, but everyone I mention this to brings up Audi's percieved lack of reliability.
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:12 AM   #18
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I'm thinking about one of these for my next car, but everyone I mention this to brings up Audi's percieved lack of reliability.
Audi's are fantastic……….until the warranty runs out. Like the guy above you said, his has been great for the past 24 months. Wait until 36 + months for the wallet emptying to begin.
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Old 12-29-2013, 10:19 AM   #19
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Audi's are fantastic……….until the warranty runs out. Like the guy above you said, his has been great for the past 24 months. Wait until 36 + months for the wallet emptying to begin.
Right, I wouldn't touch that Audi V6 at 120k miles (assuming it's still functional) while a Honda typically has another 180k+ to go.
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Old 12-29-2013, 10:22 AM   #20
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I'm thinking about one of these for my next car, but everyone I mention this to brings up Audi's percieved lack of reliability.
In 2 years and 6 months I had 4 problems.

AC went out, audi changed the console controller
Airbag sensor passenger seat
Memory seat stopped working a long with the passenger airbag sensor so audi changed the door panel buttons.
Thermostat broke audi road side assistance had me in a loaner in 20 minutes and my car towed to any dealership I wanted.

Everytime I got a loaner and lets say my dealer finished my car on wedensday and I couldn't make it because of work I was able to wait until the weekend.

The S4 is rock solid! I have never kept a car longer than 1 year I always was bored of them and usually sold my cars. But this car just has something in it!
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Old 12-29-2013, 01:34 PM   #21
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Man, I love the "hey guys, my couple year old VAG has been solid and I have even put 20,000 miles on it!"

Many of us are talking from experience. My initial period with a new VAG was bliss too--until a few years in, when the warranty was gone, and the magical VAG POS gnomes awakened and started f'ing everything up. It was the ONLY vehicle that has left my family high and dry before.
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Well keeping a german car out of warranty is just stupid. Everybody knows that. You are supposed to buy another when your warranty expires. They give you plenty of incentive
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Old 12-29-2013, 11:30 PM   #23
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Man, I love the "hey guys, my couple year old VAG has been solid and I have even put 20,000 miles on it!"

Many of us are talking from experience. My initial period with a new VAG was bliss too--until a few years in, when the warranty was gone, and the magical VAG POS gnomes awakened and started f'ing everything up. It was the ONLY vehicle that has left my family high and dry before.
I love the guy that "loves to nag when someone is just putting in their 2 cents".

Im pretty sure I had more cars than you have had in your life so YES my post had experience in it. I did not hide the fact that it had a few problems and I love getting in it everyday and driving the S4.

Guess what has my STI been doing for the past 6 months? Lift,lift and lift.
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Old 12-29-2013, 11:48 PM   #24
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I love the guy that "loves to nag when someone is just putting in their 2 cents".

Im pretty sure I had more cars than you have had in your life so YES my post had experience in it. I did not hide the fact that it had a few problems and I love getting in it everyday and driving the S4.

Guess what has my STI been doing for the past 6 months? Lift,lift and lift.
I am glad you think you know how many cars I have ever had in my life.

I wasn't trying to nag at you at all. It is 2013 (at least for a couple more days) and ANY model year 2012 car should still be a solid car was my point... .
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I am glad you think you know how many cars I have ever had in my life.

I wasn't trying to nag at you at all. It is 2013 (at least for a couple more days) and ANY model year 2012 car should still be a solid car was my point... .
The way you posted your statement made me look like a jerk off. I did not try to make the S4 or any German car look solid it's how I feel. Yes its fairly new and yes it had it share of problems but tell you the truth if I didn't want to start a family I would definitely keep my S4 with a extended warranty. But I'll eventually have to give it up for an SUV. Not to brag but I'm up to at least 16 cars in the last 5 years and like I said the S4 has broke the ICE where I kept the car for almost 3 years.

Also, another one of the best features is even if you do own an Audi, the dealer tend to really take care of you. They don't look at me like the young stupid ass who abuses his car everyday and here we go again he broke something. I guess people pay a premium price for service? I'm not sure.
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