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Old 05-16-2014, 10:19 PM   #26
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Begin the watch snob that I am I couldn't help but notice at 1:28 in the video they show the drivers watch.

Looked like this watch:
http://www.orient-watch.com/feature/...up2012brz.html

But looks like Orient will be making a specific STI watch model for this race:
http://www.orient-watch.com/feature/.../sti_2014.html

One of these days I'll get around to getting an STI Orient watch.
the sti orient is meh at best....
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Old 05-17-2014, 12:23 AM   #27
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agreed, all these special series watches do nothing for me, I´m rocking a Mako from Orient now for years, could not be more satisfied with this watch.
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Old 05-17-2014, 04:06 AM   #28
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Qualified 5th in SP3T class with 9:09. 55th overall. The race starts in 2 hours time

http://www.vln.de/de/live/features.html
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:09 AM   #29
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You know, the new STI looks a LOT better with the widebody treatment they gave it (in the above video)- A version of that is what i'd like to see.
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Old 05-17-2014, 06:57 PM   #30
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I know this isn't THE Nurburgring race, but it would be awesome if Subaru-msm or STi or somebody would throw some updates of the race in real time. Coverage is tough to come by.

elijahbaley, thanks for the updates!
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Old 05-17-2014, 10:52 PM   #31
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http://www.vln.de/de/saison/2014/201...fy-trophy.html

look at the window "Berichterstattung"
click on "Ergebnis Rennen gesamt"
now opens a pdf, search for page 17 "Klasse SP3T"

they started as fifth, they finished as fifth, there is no way to win their class (because there will be no race when it snows)
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Old 05-18-2014, 12:11 AM   #32
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Their race pace seems ok, 8:59 best compared to the 8:50+ of the Audis. Fastest lap in SP3T class was done by the VW Scirocco team 8:45, but in 5 years of following this race they always encounter problems halfway thru and finish poorly.

The 8:45 lap was done by an even faster Audi and all of them look very fast and reliable.

Also, the race was red flagged after 3 hours, there was a huge crash along the Dottinger straight. All the SP3T cars running close together.

They interviewed Nick Heidfeld and that Nismo pit was so professional looking in the background. I think Nissan pumped in alot of money. But no way could they touch the Germans in the top SP9 class - SLS, R8, 911, Z4, all of them were lapping in 8:00+ around that mountain.

The pic attached shows the 4 Audis infront of the STI at the race start. The ones in blue stripes are the new LMS TTRS2 cars, the black one is the Raeder Motorsport TTRS (last years winner). The other one I'm not sure.


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Old 05-18-2014, 05:54 AM   #33
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agreed, all these special series watches do nothing for me, I´m rocking a Mako from Orient now for years, could not be more satisfied with this watch.
i have several orient automatics and im in shock at how much i like them and at their quality....even the $100 submariner look alike that i put a $35 bracelet on ...accurate to ~3sec/day
too bloody marvelous

iirc the sti one(s) is(are) quartz and quite expensive.....meh
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Old 05-18-2014, 09:31 AM   #34
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These are the Bilsteins they run on.

http://www.bilstein.de/de/news-event...ng-zusammen-1/

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Wow, what are the sprung subframe mounting bolts all about. Almost wonder if thats to allow the subframe to articulate when needed.
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SOOOOOOOO stoked to see this!!
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Old 05-20-2014, 05:10 PM   #37
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Wow, what are the sprung subframe mounting bolts all about. Almost wonder if thats to allow the subframe to articulate when needed.
I too am wondering about this..... that is the first time I've ever seen anything like that.
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:26 AM   #38
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The only thing I can think of is that the spring is there to put tension on the bolt so it doesn't back out, although there are easier ways of doing that. I can't see any situation in which you would want the subframe to move or articulate on its own. Curious...
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Official race report from the 17th May 2014 VLN race

http://www.subaru-msm.com/global/news2014/14027.html
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The only thing I can think of is that the spring is there to put tension on the bolt so it doesn't back out, although there are easier ways of doing that. I can't see any situation in which you would want the subframe to move or articulate on its own. Curious...

I've seen that on desert racing trucks (pro-am? i forget) - it helps absorb / dissipate the driveline shock from landing after catching air at full throttle, or for wheel hop over washboard terrain. The spring rate is something ridiculous and for all normal loads while the wheels are attached to pavement - it's essentially rigid. Perhaps this is intended for something similar?
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I think you're right. There's one place on the straight where I've seen pics of the STI take off over the crest of a hill, it's at the Flugpatz.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/futur...he-nurburgring
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Old 05-23-2014, 11:38 AM   #42
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I thought this would be a great preview to the race next month. It shows the Team GT Academy Nissan GTR that raced the 2012 race and won in its class. The documentary comes in 2 parts.


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Great videos, elijahbaley!

Do you know, or know of site that lists what the specs of the SP3T cars are? Meaning what all can be changed from their factory derivatives. Looking at the engine, it looks pretty straight forward, similar to the old Group A Subarus.



Also, for anyone interested, here is a small article from www.torquenews.com on what happened to STi last year:

Two reasons Subaru WRX STI didn’t three-peat at 24 hr Nurburgring
The 2013 Subaru WRX STI team entered the Nurburgring 24-Hour Race fully expecting to win for the third year in a row but two critical factors kept them in 2nd place behind the Audi TT RS 2.0.

Subaru Tecnica International Inc. (STI) entered the Nürburgring 24-Hour Race this week with the racing version of its Subaru WRX STI in the SP3T class fully expecting to walk away with their third win in a row. The race took place from Friday May 17 to Monday of this week in the Ahrweiler district of Germany with the WRX STI finishing 26th overall and 2nd in class in the sub-2-liter turbo-charged vehicle class. What happened to the STI team that kept them from finishing first again?

The 2013 Subaru WRX STI Started the race from 2nd position and was involved in a heavy head to head battle with Raeder Motorsport and the Audi TT RS 2.0, the winner of the qualifying. The weather was mild for the final race, but deteriorated rapidly as the race went on. Officials had to suspend the race at 11:00 pm due to heavy rain and fog. The weather improved the next morning, and the race finally resumed after dawn at around 8:00 am. The rain continued, however, and teams struggled to find the right tire choices.
The newly reworked 2013 WRX STI was ready

The 2013 WRX STI race car was reworked for the race and featured a larger underspoiler up front to restrict front lift. New overfenders around the rear tire-housing and a defuser were added on the rear underbody to improve aerodynamics. Other improvements include moving the fuel tank to improve weight balance, and BBS forged magnesium wheels have been used to reduce the unsprung weight of the 24-hour Nurburgring race car. The improvements were made to increase speeds on the fast corners at the Nurburgring. The team was fully ready to win. The changes produced impressive results in testing leading up to the race.

After the race was restarted, conditions turned even worse with rain and the WRX STI “couldn't pick up the pace” and allowed the Audi TT RS to get away. Subaru STI drivers, Toshihiro Yoshida, Kota Sasaki, Carlo van Dam, and Marcel Lasee kept pushing to close the gap. And in the last half of the race, the team decided to take a chance where almost the entire track had dried except for the Grand Prix track.

The rain and tire choice kept the team in second place

The 2WD Audi TT RS was on tires with shallow grooves, but the STI team made the decision to run on slick rubbers to reduce the gap, counting on the exceptional stability of the WRX STI. The decision was a good one as the AWD WRX STI was able to close the gap. As a result, the 7-minute gap when the race had 3 more hours to go was dramatically reduced to 54 seconds by the final lap. However, there was not enough time to catch the Raeder Motorsport team and the Subaru STI team finished 2nd in the class.
The team made a critical mistake in choosing the wrong tires for the conditions earlier in the race. STI General Team Manager Hideharu Tatsumi said, “I would say that the cause of our defeat is that we made a mistake in the settings of tire tuning and fell far behind the rival on wet surfaces where we needed to narrow the gap. In the last half of the race, we were finally able to get some good performance from the tires and the car. It was also good that Kota (Sasaki) and Marcel (Lasee) fought back, recording great times under difficult conditions. It's my fault that we couldn't win the race to live up to the expectations of Subaru fans. If we have another chance, we would like to come back to Nürburgring in the future with a stronger team and car.”
The 2013 Subaru WRX STI team was disappointed after the 2nd place finish and not being able to win for the 3rd time in a row. The competition was fierce for the Japanese team against its global competitors.
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Old 05-31-2014, 09:17 AM   #44
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So in other words this year so long as everything stacks up to their expectations and they dont flub the tire set up then they should win their class.

Im really looking forward to this race now. Can't imagine how awesome that car is to drive.
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I'll chime in since I was at the NBR24 race last year...

What really happened last year at NBR24 was that just before the red flag came due to heavy rain and fog in some areas, NBR STI car was behind the Audi but there was a race leader (GT3 car) in between the STI and AudiTT. Just before the red flag, STI was passing many GT3 cars and they could have kept going thanks to the symmetrical AWD system and driver's confidence.

When the race restarted 9 hours later, STI was forced to put in the 2nd lap group (one lap late) since the race leader passed the STI before the red flag, thus the team had to catch up about 10min in 8hours before the race ended. At one point, there was about 20min difference as I recall.. In the end, there was only 54sec difference between the Subaru and the Audi. Of course the team could have won it if the leader car didn't pass the STI before the red flag but there are always what if's and it's all about team tactics. Anything can happen in 24hours and that makes this race more interesting..

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It's all in Japanese but here is a documentary program that was aired last year in Japan.
(It can only be viewed by computers. It won't let you view w smartphones.)
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yuji, thanks so much for the insight!

Since some of you guys were there in the past, in your opinions, what is the perception of STi at the race? Are they considered a favorite, one of the better teams, etc. Or is more attention on the others?

Pity the documentary is in Japanese, but I enjoyed watching it nonetheless!!!
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yuji, thanks so much for the insight!

Since some of you guys were there in the past, in your opinions, what is the perception of STi at the race? Are they considered a favorite, one of the better teams, etc. Or is more attention on the others?

Pity the documentary is in Japanese, but I enjoyed watching it nonetheless!!!
hmmmm good question! It's hard to say but I can tell you that the team is definitely an outsider since many teams in the SP3T class are German teams racing German cars, Audi, VW (and SEAT) so they do have local knowledge and it is their turf but the Subaru stands out for sure and it is one of the crowds favorites.
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Damn good video Yuji although I didn't understand a word. I could feel the tense moments in the last few hours when they tried to mount a fightback.
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Nice review vid from the VLN race of 17th May. The SP3T portion starts at around the 11min mark. Spricken ze Deutsch, anyone? Don't understand a single word but great to watch the cars in action. And the pits look so accessible to the public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qZTc...ApRwW8F#t=1032
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