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Old 04-27-2001, 10:50 AM   #1
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Question Any interest in a Subaru-only "just for fun" auto-x?

Central City has offered one of their big parking lots for a very small amount of money.

We'd all pitch in to rent the cones, the lot, the timing equipment, etc.

I figure we could do an all day thing and get 10 to 15+ runs per person. Maybe change the course... try different stuff. Test and tune.

Could be very helpful in building skills.

Central City was begging us (me, my aunt, and my uncle) to do a go kart race up there, but I've this idea. They just want people to come to their city... plain and simple. There's lots of casinos and Black Hawk is draining all their business. They want a race up here so they can generate more traffic to the casinos.

What do you guys think? Interested? If we can get enough people it will cost very little per person.

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Old 04-27-2001, 10:53 AM   #2
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depends on when ya do it. i have the tires i was gonna auto-x on right now and was going to wear em out on the track. i have replacements on the way. when? if it was affordable then ya. should make for some great pics. kinda a mini meet. were is this place anyways?
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Old 04-27-2001, 10:55 AM   #3
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Central City is about 1 or 2 miles away from Black Hawk.

Black Hawk is about 50 minutes away from Denver.

So it's a long azz drive for those down in the Springs and in Ft. Fun.

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Old 04-27-2001, 10:57 AM   #4
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YES Tom, let's get this going. I would love to be able to take a bunch of runs instead of the three or four that you seem to get with the Solo2 stuff. I bet my girlfriend would even like to get out there and learn some new ***** about her car and what it can and can't do. I would also like to figure this out. When and how much $$$?

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Old 04-27-2001, 10:58 AM   #5
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she already knows how they handle on dirt eh brian/ tom
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Old 04-27-2001, 11:02 AM   #6
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I don't know when or exactly how much because I haven't looked into renting / buying the cones and timing equipment. We could probably rent all that stuff from the Rocky Mtn Solo2 people.

I just want to see if I could get enough people to want to do this.

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Old 04-27-2001, 11:11 AM   #7
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Oh ya... also forgot to mention... Central City is at about 9000 feet in elevation. NA Cars will run a little slow.

Just a warning.

And Larry - Are you ok coming up to that elevation with your lung disability and all?

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Old 04-27-2001, 01:55 PM   #8
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I would definitely be up for this! [Someone pick Eric's jaw up off the floor...]

Getting to make many runs in one event would actually allow a significant skill improvement over the traditional 3-runs-and-your-done format of autox.

In terms of getting the equipment, timing is really not critical at all but getting cones would be. Who will be our course designer?...
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Old 04-27-2001, 02:09 PM   #9
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OK, stop-watch it is.

We also have to pay for a stanby-ambulancem I believe. I think Central City will require us to do this. Also have maybe a police officer, and some fire extinguishers. All of this we'll have to pay for.

I think I can rent cones directly from Central City. I think they have'em.

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Old 04-27-2001, 02:37 PM   #10
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What you need are at least two stop watches for timing the runs (avg of the 2) and maybe a couple more as backup. I would get one of the guys/gals from the rmsolo.org board to come out a design a course for you, probably wouldn't cost you a dime, just let him or her run. One more thing, check the Solo schedule to make sure your not conflicting with any events.

Just a thought, but what about two mirror courses, if the lot is big enough? That way two cars can go head to head.

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Old 04-27-2001, 02:42 PM   #11
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Great ideas, Mark!

Thanks!
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Old 04-27-2001, 02:49 PM   #12
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9000 feet...that means I can safely run 8 or even 9 psi
I'm interested....I've got a copy of the runs they set up at the auto-x school. They had 3 courses set up, each one to emphasize a different skill. I could bring those along...
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Old 04-27-2001, 02:50 PM   #13
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OOooo...another thought. Since we're in gambling town, how bout we have a pool on what the fastest times will be for each class?
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Old 04-27-2001, 02:52 PM   #14
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Another great idea!

Thanks, Dave!

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Old 04-27-2001, 03:46 PM   #15
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Here's another thought: Do you know anyone up there with a dirt parking lot? Might be more fun with our AWD to practice controlled sliding.
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Old 04-27-2001, 03:47 PM   #16
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Yes I'm interested!
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Old 04-27-2001, 09:05 PM   #17
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I vote for dirt!!! So what if my car's n/a?! The first three gears at that altitude are still quick. Any idea on the cost?

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Old 04-28-2001, 12:43 AM   #18
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I think you can forget about renting the stuff from the Solo2 community, there's no way they'd let you take that stuff because you'd need the truck to run it all. Just use a stopwatch, like the rallycross guys. There's no need for super precise timing anyway.

How big is the lot?

You need to think about liability waivers, etc.
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Old 04-28-2001, 09:25 AM   #19
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Interested- Hell yes!! And does that cop have to be from Central City, because if not I'm sure we could "rent" my dad for a day. BTW FWIW, I went up to Blackhawk last night for drinkin' and gamblin' and we also went up the road to Central City. I guarantee Central City would bend over backwards to have us do this because it is literally like a ghost-town up there now, compared to Blackhawk.

I'm sure they will want us to have some sort of insurance also, and I think we can come up with a way to do that. If we as a club were to join the CMC , I think this would be taken care of.

Basically it looks like it would be 75.00 per year to join plus 5.69 per year per active member. That would give us 1M GL insurance for non-speed events (car shows, meetings, etc). Add to that a per-event fee for a autocross or rally, for example $160 would get us .5M liability for the event. If we get 20-30-40 subies and others out there, I'm sure the per-entrant cost would be low.

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Old 04-28-2001, 10:52 AM   #20
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With my pulmonary vein obstruction, 9,000 feet is about my limit for no oxygen if I don't get too active. But, if I stay up there too long (i.e. over night) then I get pulmonary edema unless I stay on oxygen the whole time. I'd guess my oxygen levels at 9,000 feet is like a sea-level person going up to Pikes Peak immediately...

I am not sure I would be able to run, change tires, and all that - but I could probably be the impartial timing chief since I will be an observer not a competetor.

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Old 04-28-2001, 01:51 PM   #21
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Sounds like we have a full crew that's into this. I think we need to make this happen, I know I'd be really stoked on getting a bunch of runs in with only suby people. Tom, let me know if you need any help.

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Old 04-28-2001, 05:05 PM   #22
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I'd like to invite you all up here to check out the lots and see what we can do with them as far as courses go.

Next weekend I'll be in Alabama, so let's plan on meeting up here the weekend after. Not everybody has to show... just some people so we can get an idea of what we can do. I would like Larry, JJ, and Dave to come up for sure to check it out before we follow through with this.

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Old 04-28-2001, 08:21 PM   #23
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I should be able to manage a trip up there. I'll try to scrounge up the maps for the auto-x school. Another idea for courses would be to check some of the courses listed on the national SOLO website.
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Lemme see what we are doing that mother's day weekend I might need to carpool up there if my family goes up to Denver in one car, to stay at my Wife's mom's house .

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Old 04-30-2001, 06:20 PM   #25
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I was puttering through the mountains today and drove up to central city. My idea for dirt up there would work if those three roads at teh cemetery connected back somehow. One really good dirt spot was in the "Grady hole" (...it was "something" hole parking lot) It was loose gravel but still flat and relatively smooth. The tarmac below it looked more pitted that colfax avenue. Those were the only two things I checked out. Just wanted to let you guys know.

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