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Old 05-13-2014, 03:59 PM   #51
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No, just the newer ones with vdc
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Old 05-13-2014, 04:27 PM   #52
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Awesome! I was planning on going to a GD STi rack on my 05 WRX but not if the '15 steering rack fits!
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Old 05-13-2014, 06:01 PM   #53
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waiting on results to buy one for my RS :0
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:18 PM   #54
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There are a couple of us here that are pretty darn curious about this swap. We have a 2015 STI Steering rack, and for starters, we grabbed a 2002 - 2004 WRX front cross-member to see how close they would be.







We are most likely a little ways out on actually putting this into a car or two, but we'll let you know how it goes.
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Old 05-15-2014, 07:09 AM   #55
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Hell yes I was hoping a shop would step up and do this. In for fitment on GD.
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Old 05-15-2014, 12:14 PM   #56
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Same here.

If it turns out this rack works for the GD/GG and GR/GV, SOA should have FHI fill a shipping container with these to send stateside because the demand will be huge! SOA blog are you reading this?
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Old 05-15-2014, 01:09 PM   #57
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This is getting me all antsy now lol
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Old 05-15-2014, 01:25 PM   #58
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looks like the mounting points for the front crossmember are the same.
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Old 05-15-2014, 02:16 PM   #59
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curious as to why flatirons didn't just throw 4 bolts in there...
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Old 05-15-2014, 02:49 PM   #60
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curious as to why flatirons didn't just throw 4 bolts in there...
It might be a little hard to tell from the picture, but the spacing of the two main holes in the crossmember are a little smaller than the rack needs. There would definitely need to be some material removed to get the rack to go through.

This is a brand new crossmember that we just grabbed off the shelf, so we can't grind on it.

We have a 2014 WRX that we will most likely be trying to install this in, but it will have to wait until July, as it is being prepped for the Pikes Peak Hill Climb at the moment, and we have a lot of bigger things to get sorted before then.
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Old 05-15-2014, 04:09 PM   #61
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How different is the '04 crossmember from the 08+ GR's?

Maybe ill ask Mert at rbms if he will work a deal with me to test run a rack and steering angle sensor...
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Old 05-15-2014, 04:15 PM   #62
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I don't understand why you tried it on 02-04 wrx crossmember instead of 05-07 sti

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There are a couple of us here that are pretty darn curious about this swap. We have a 2015 STI Steering rack, and for starters, we grabbed a 2002 - 2004 WRX front cross-member to see how close they would be..
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Old 05-15-2014, 04:51 PM   #63
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^^^ The 02-04 crossmember and the 05-07 STi/WRX crossmember are essentially the same. There are very minimal differences.
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Old 05-15-2014, 05:05 PM   #64
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The first pic does seem now that the mounting holes from the rack are hitting the crossmember preventing to fully seat inside the crossmember and reach the mounting holes.

Can the rack mounting hole brackets be ground down instead?
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Old 05-15-2014, 05:14 PM   #65
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^^^ The 02-04 crossmember and the 05-07 STi/WRX crossmember are essentially the same. There are very minimal differences.
I thought driver side steering rack mounting points were different.
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Old 05-15-2014, 06:07 PM   #66
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I don't understand why you tried it on 02-04 wrx crossmember instead of 05-07 sti
There are a number of reasons.

First is that we had this sub-frame on hand.

Second is that the 02 - 04 sub-frame is going to be the most different from the 2015 sub-frame, so if the rack can be made to fit into this one, the rest should be easier (in theory of course).

Last is because there are 2 people here that have this sub-frame, and really want a 13:1 rack, so that may well be one of the first cars that we try to put this into, so we wanted to see what we were up against.

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The first pic does seem now that the mounting holes from the rack are hitting the crossmember preventing to fully seat inside the crossmember and reach the mounting holes.

Can the rack mounting hole brackets be ground down instead?
Suffice it to say, this is not going to be a super simple install into this sub-frame. Modifications will be necessary, but we are still trying to figure out how substantial they are. I'd say that at this point there is a 50% chance that it may be easier to simply replace the sub-frame with a newer one (05-07) than trying to modify the existing one... But that is a good deal of work as well.

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I thought driver side steering rack mounting points were different.
Yes they are different.

I'll also mention that the tie-rod ends look a good deal longer, as this is for the wide-body sedan, that is not too much of a surprise. However, there is a good chance that these will need to be swapped out for a narrower track instillation as well.
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Old 05-15-2014, 07:53 PM   #67
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thanks for the first hand info flatirons.

much appreciated!

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Old 05-15-2014, 08:04 PM   #68
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Yes, thanks a lot for sharing your findings.

Please keep us updated. It would be great if you can also mock it on the 05-07 sti crossmember.

Did you get a chance to check if the splines match with the 02-07 steering U-joint ?
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:31 PM   #69
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First is that we had this sub-frame on hand.

Second is that the 02 - 04 sub-frame is going to be the most different from the 2015 sub-frame, so if the rack can be made to fit into this one, the rest should be easier (in theory of course).

Last is because there are 2 people here that have this sub-frame, and really want a 13:1 rack, so that may well be one of the first cars that we try to put this into, so we wanted to see what we were up against.

As an 02 owner, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-15-2014, 10:56 PM   #70
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Wonder if the internal part would swap over into an older rack? Have they changed much over the years?

I can get my subaru parts at dealer cost now. $500 isn't bad, but say $100-200 for just the rack and pinion gears and a few seals would kick ass.

I really wanted a 11.5 Qrack, but they are no more new.
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Old 05-16-2014, 01:29 AM   #71
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Old 05-16-2014, 06:47 PM   #72
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Can't wait to see the results of someone trying this out. Thanks, Flat Irons Tuning for your info so far.

As for the wider track, can't one simply turn the rod ends until they matched the width of their respective racks?
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Old 05-16-2014, 07:15 PM   #73
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Can't wait to see the results of someone trying this out. Thanks, Flat Irons Tuning for your info so far.

As for the wider track, can't one simply turn the rod ends until they matched the width of their respective racks?
It kinda looks like the inner tie rod ends are longer than normal to me. If there is enough adjustment in them, turning might work though.
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:02 PM   #74
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Worst case you just tap more threads and cut a bit off the ends. Or swap the inners from your old rack over if they fit. Knowing Subaru they will. The thread on the inners has been the same since the late 80's.
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Old 05-19-2014, 12:08 PM   #75
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Subscribed. Hoping it can fit the GR chassis.
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