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Old 02-27-2014, 10:42 PM   #1
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So here's the story I have a 2013 WRX and my engine just blew with just over 11,000 miles. Installed on the car was an invidia turbo back exhaust, cobb intake, and a turbo smart bpv. Now this is where it gets interesting, I scheduled to get my car tuned at Mach V (which I had read good things about) and in doing research I had read it was a good idea to get a new tmic before getting a tune. Uneasy with dropping $1,000 on a brand new top mount I cruse craigslist and find a used Spearco for $600 which I figured was a decent deal. Well I take my car in this past Tuesday and when I get there Mach V informs me that they've never actually installed a Spearco tmic on a 08+ WRX (after quoting me a price of $90-180 to install it over the phone), but they were impressed with the size of the top mount and Matt (guy who works at the front for those who know Mach V) even mentioned that they should start selling them. Basically it takes them longer for the install then expected and they tell me it's $90 more than I was quoted but I bite the bullet and have them continue with the Tune. Then Dan (well touted tuner) comes out during the tune and tells me theirs a leak so they have to get that fixed and they won't be able to finish it that day. Next day they take care of the leak at no charge and call me to let me know when my cars done, I go to pick it up and pay them the $900+ for the work. On my drive home, not even driving the car hard it dies on me three times, the first two times it started back up again after about 30 sec but the third time nothing. Well I have it towed to my local mechanic and find out the bad news today that the engine is completely blown. I call Mach V and Dan apologizes and is interested in what exactly broke off in the engine and informs me that if it's from their work they will cover it. Honestly, and I hate to say this because of the good things I've heard about them, I fell like they will do anything to say it isn't them even though I brought them a perfect working car and couldn't even get 20 miles with it when they were done doing work that I was looking at as being preventive maintenance for the mods I had already added. So my question is it not a bit suspicious on Mach V's part? Also what should I do? Is it worth it to replace the engine, and if so how much would that cost? If not how much could I get out of the car as it is? Thanks for taking the time to read, a big reason why I got a Subaru in the first place is because of the community.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:52 PM   #2
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Also worth noting I had been running all the correct maps off the cobb ap after the intake and down pipe were installed.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:56 PM   #3
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dude i just installed a downpipe and i am experiencing some serious knocking noises aswell. hopefully my shop didnt do the same BS.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:02 PM   #4
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Are you running the correct cobb maps? And if I could give any advice I would take it back to the shop immediately.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:07 PM   #5
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Sucks, bro. Hope you get this sorted out. If it's a reputable company, they should stand behind their work and fess up to a mistake (if one was made). They're only human.

Tough to say what to do next. Check back after you find out exactly what is wrong. Then we could offer up advice (i.e., rebuild it, get a new or aftermarket short block, etc).
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:13 PM   #6
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Honestly, just see how it all plays out. Hopefully they're sincerely honest people, and if it was their fault, they will man up and cover all expenses. That being said, you also chose to modify your car and you should have already known that the ej257 is a piece of garage that tends to have a ton of issues when simple modifications are done, so don't be totally surprised if it blew just by chance. You have to pay to play. I've learned that with my STi and am continuing to learn just how expensive things get when you modify these cars. Hope everything works out for you, though. Good luck.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:17 PM   #7
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Yea we shall see, will update tomorrow when I get more info. I knew that there were risk when modifying my car but I thought I was taking all the right steps to minimize those by getting a pro tune and larger tmic. Regardless though I still love Subarus!
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:23 PM   #8
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Sorry to hear bro. Hate to say I've been there done that twice. Once I understand as it was an older engine. The other was by the actual engine builder while on dyno tuning. Hopefully it's not a total loss and can be easily repaired. I'd be interested in knowing what leaked that needed to be fixed and how they fixed it. One of mine was a head lifted on a new engine during tuning. I'd be curious if that's what happened to you. If it grenaded the short block id bet that's what happened. If so, I'd make sure tuner understood your position. Hopefully it's not at all related.
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:39 AM   #9
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Mach V is a great tuner friendly shop and knows their ****. I'm sure this was a fluke mistake on whatever happened. They're good guys over there.

Good luck with everything! Sucks to hear about this
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Old 02-28-2014, 10:03 AM   #10
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Hearing stuff like that is exactly why I went to them! Believe me thought the condition I got my car back in obviously did not leave me satisfied. They told me I could have the car towed to them, in which I replied "well are y'all gonna pay for it? Because I'm running out of money here" Which they couldn't even commit to doing. I mean my car didn't even make it home from their shop after their work, if they're so reputable and if I just spent $900+ there shouldn't they at least offer to take care of towing it there?
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:00 AM   #11
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Sorry to hear about your car and this right here is why I am only going Nameless axle back-I want a warranty and also I read stuff like this on here all the time. I am not going to point fingers, but I can say this. I work in the auto industry and I was always told when I started out that no matter what happens the last guy in is the guy that gets the blame-I see it all too often. My buddy had a 2010 STI full stage 2-all Cobb parts all Cobb OTS tunes besides a Magnaflow CB and never had an issue for 3 years and 65K. When he put the car back to stock and traded it in last year is still ran great so it almost seem to me stuff like this is a case by case thing. OP-I hope this work out well for you in the end.
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:44 AM   #12
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Wait, so the only thing we know so far on their end is they've told you to have it towed to them? I understand that you're extremely frustrated right now, but you need to talk through things with them before making a long post implying they blew up your engine.

You give advice in post #4 for someone to take their car back to the shop immediately, but that's not what you did...You took it to another shop, right?
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:54 AM   #13
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Modding and tuning cars carry inherent risk. There are a lot of ways an engine can fail. It sounds like you have little to worry about though. Mach V will fix you up if it's their fault. However, it is the owner who really carries the risk when doing this stuff. It just is and should be something you accept in the modding world. Sometimes you pay to play.
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:56 AM   #14
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Wait, so the only thing we know so far on their end is they've told you to have it towed to them? I understand that you're extremely frustrated right now, but you need to talk through things with them before making a long post implying they blew up your engine.

You give advice in post #4 for someone to take their car back to the shop immediately, but that's not what you did...You took it to another shop, right?
+1 to this. You really need to work with them first before you start posting threads, all you are going to do is piss them off.

Clearly the tune is suspect here, but you probably should have pulled the car off the road after it dies the first time and had it checked out.

At this point trying to sell a 2013 model year car with a blown engine is probably the worst thing you can do. Work with your tuner and get a new engine and lesson learned.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:15 PM   #15
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I understand the idea of having it taken back to them, but why do that when they could then just cover up their faulty work? They have aggreed to be in contact with my mechanic that I know and trust. Yes that also probably wasn't the best advice for the other forum member since that isn't what i did, I apologize. I also understand the idea that I should not have started the car after it died, but sitting in the middle of a 4 lane road in northern virginia in the middle of rush hour is not a good or safe idea and thats something you can only understand if you've driven in the area.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:23 PM   #16
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I understand the idea of having it taken back to them, but why do that when they could then just cover up their faulty work? They have aggreed to be in contact with my mechanic that I know and trust. Yes that also probably wasn't the best advice for the other forum member since that isn't what i did, I apologize. I also understand the idea that I should not have started the car after it died, but sitting in the middle of a 4 lane road in northern virginia in the middle of rush hour is not a good or safe idea and thats something you can only understand if you've driven in the area.
You are handling this incorrectly. You are immediately assuming they are scam artists and that they will try to screw you. This is all wrong. Mach V is a great shop and is reputable with many members here. If the issue is their fault, they will do what it takes to fix it and not "cover it up".

By taking it to another mechanic you are just adding another factor in. This can easily lead to a game of "he said, she said", which will prolong the whole process of getting the car fixed. What you NEED to do is have the car towed from your mechanic to the guys at Mach V so they can properly look into the issue and go from there. Stop jumping to false conclusions and let them at least attempt to fix the problem.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:31 PM   #17
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Unless they gave you a tune with stupid amounts of timing and super high AFRS and were causing knock/high temps then there is nothing wrong on their part.

the ej257 in our cars (stock) is garbage. It has oiling issues, it has **** cast pistons, MAJOR ringland problems, and is extremely prone to spun bearings.

Also, every works just fine until it breaks... just because you brought them a "perfectly good running car" (accord to you) doesnt mean that it cant break when its being pushed while tuning. Thats just part of the game.

Hate to say it, but I think this one is going to be on you.

If it makes you feel any better, my motor blew at 9k miles. Stock.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:45 PM   #18
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Unless they gave you a tune with stupid amounts of timing and super high AFRS and were causing knock/high temps then there is nothing wrong on their part.

the ej257 in our cars (stock) is garbage. It has oiling issues, it has **** cast pistons, MAJOR ringland problems, and is extremely prone to spun bearings.

Also, every works just fine until it breaks... just because you brought them a "perfectly good running car" (accord to you) doesnt mean that it cant break when its being pushed while tuning. Thats just part of the game.

Hate to say it, but I think this one is going to be on you.

If it makes you feel any better, my motor blew at 9k miles. Stock.
Yep. These engines can fail stock just as easily as modded as it only takes one bad event to crack a ringland. A guy at work also has a 2013 STI and he cracked his cylinder #4 ringland bone stock while my 2013 has been running great with Cobb OTS maps. You roll the dice when you purchase an EJ equipped car and you just have to accept that engine failure is a possibility especially when subjected to bad tuning or incorrect/bad aftermarket parts.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:06 PM   #19
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+1 to this. You really need to work with them first before you start posting threads, all you are going to do is piss them off.

Clearly the tune is suspect here, but you probably should have pulled the car off the road after it dies the first time and had it checked out.

At this point trying to sell a 2013 model year car with a blown engine is probably the worst thing you can do. Work with your tuner and get a new engine and lesson learned.
What really sucks is that now that this car is modified, subaru will more than likely NOT cover the repair. So now you have a broken car that needs a new motor ($3-5K around) and you are still makeing payments on a "newish" car. The best thing would be to take it back to Mack V and let them look at it.

Good luck dude.
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Yep. These engines can fail stock just as easily as modded as it only takes one bad event to crack a ringland. A guy at work also has a 2013 STI and he cracked his cylinder #4 ringland bone stock while my 2013 has been running great with Cobb OTS maps. You roll the dice when you purchase an EJ equipped car and you just have to accept that engine failure is a possibility especially when subjected to bad tuning or incorrect/bad aftermarket parts.
100% agree with both of you guys. ****, if I had done a little more research before investing in this piece of **** car (love it when it runs right, hate it when there's issues), I would have upgraded those internals right away. Instead, I went stage 1 then got boost creep and overboosted and spun a rod bearing when I was just out of warranty. $12k engine build later and now I'm burning major oil, probably from an issue with the PCV system but it won't be cheap to diagnose and fix. Just goes to show you that you have to pay to play. It gets expensive very quickly. These cars are a money pit.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:25 PM   #21
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What really sucks is that now that this car is modified, subaru will more than likely NOT cover the repair. So now you have a broken car that needs a new motor ($3-5K around) and you are still makeing payments on a "newish" car. The best thing would be to take it back to Mack V and let them look at it.

Good luck dude.
And you can't blame Subaru for that though. Anyone who buys this car and starts slapping on aftermarket parts and what may or may not be a proper tune has to take the responsibility of dealing with the engine that blows. And this is not a Subaru thing, I have known plenty of modded Mustangs, GTI's, Speed3's, etc that have been denied warranty because they played the mod game.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:26 PM   #22
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I thought WRX's are EJ255....
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:30 PM   #23
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Lol Damn these motors blow. I'm real happy I didn't jump right into performance mods like I had first planned on.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:34 PM   #24
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Lol Damn these motors blow. I'm real happy I didn't jump right into performance mods like I had first planned on.
Actually it is pretty rare for a 2011+ WRX to blow an engine. I kept reading about ringlands and blown engines and read all the threads at three different WRX sites, and yes it does happen (mostly to STI's), but it is not as common as some people make you think. At least over the last three years. It was clearly a bigger issue in the past. And we are mostly talking STI's and many of them have been modded.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:39 PM   #25
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Yea Im sure it's more over hyped than anything on this forum. But I still can't trust this car at all . I did put money aside in case I did do mods and have to replace the motor. But I think ill just wait to buy a weekend car
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