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Old 03-03-2014, 06:16 PM   #1
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Default Uprgrading my suspension... looking for opinions

Time to upgrade the bugeyes suspension. I'm not trying to go too low and not sure if coilovers are for me. Just want the best performance for my DD.

I've narrowed it down to (I think) the....

A. Koni sport shocks and Koni springs
B. KYB AGX with STi pinks/JDM STi pinks/H&R sport springs
C. STi Strut/Spring kit for the wrx sedan from Subaru

I'm also going to throw on the Group N strut mounts.

Any opinions/suggestions on which might be the best route???
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:50 PM   #2
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What kind of budget are you working with for the suspension upgrades?

What kind of driving are you planning on doing (Just DD or will the car also be used for any other purposes like Auto-X, Track, etc)?

Also, being that the car is now basically 12 years old, have any of the bushings been upgraded / replaced at all? If not, then you may want to start upgrading those as well. The bushings themselves aren't very expensive, but they can definitely increase the performance of the car if they you are replacing worn out bushings.
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:22 PM   #3
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What kind of budget are you working with for the suspension upgrades?

What kind of driving are you planning on doing (Just DD or will the car also be used for any other purposes like Auto-X, Track, etc)?

Also, being that the car is now basically 12 years old, have any of the bushings been upgraded / replaced at all? If not, then you may want to start upgrading those as well. The bushings themselves aren't very expensive, but they can definitely increase the performance of the car if they you are replacing worn out bushings.
Looking to spend under 2 grand total... It's my daily driver and I put a lot of highway miles on it. I'm going for longevity more than anything but want a sportier ride.

The bushing are original so they are getting replaced as well. Looking at going with the Group N STi all around. Any others worth looking at?
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:39 PM   #4
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Okay, that's a solid budget to work with. Here is what I have done for my car (see below). I have given several people rides in my car and they love my setup as it's very compliant, but has a sportier feel to it and is very point-and-shoot. I'd say it feels maybe a bit more aggressive than the very vague feel of the WRX from stock, but has a more fine tuned performance feel to it. I put a ton of freeway miles on my setup as I drive roughly 100 miles a day 5 days a week.

Swift Spec R Springs
Koni Yellow Struts
D_Rex Koni Strut Extenders
Turn in Concepts - Black Rubber Bumpstops
Whiteline Com C Top Hats (Front)
Group N Top Hats (Rear) (04+ Style to match the springs)
Group N Pitch Stop
Whiteline Heavy Duty Gear Box Mounts (i.e. Transmission Mounts)
JDM STI Titanium Front Strut Tower Bar
Whiteline Rear Strut Tower Bar
Whiteline 24mm Adjustable Sway Bars (Front & Rear)
OEM 04+ Rear Metal Sway Bar Mounts
Noltec End Links (Front & Rear)
Whiteline Front Roll Center Adjustment Kit
Whiteline Steering Rack Bushings
Whiteline Rear Outrigger Bushings
Whiteline Rear Subframe Locking Bolts
Turn in Concepts - Rear Diff Mount Bushings - Comfort
BigJap Fender Cowl Braces

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Old 03-03-2014, 08:48 PM   #5
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Based on the fact that you want longevity and this is going to be mainly a Daily Driver, then you are right that coilovers are really not the path that you will want to take.

With the setup that I have currently on my car when I went to do an alignment a few months ago the shop was blown away when they came back with the specs. My alignment had NOT moved at all from the previous time I had done an alignment. The previous alignment was done something like 15K miles previously. Not even the Toe settings had adjusted as they were still all dialed in to 0.0 Toe all the way around. Will that happen for everyone? No, but the fact that it did happen for me gives me even more reason to be happy with this setup. YMMV.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:26 PM   #6
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Start w/ a performance alignment.

Then get swaybars and endlinks and bushings. Super pro tend to be the best. Ask around for what settings are good for you, I am not familiar with GD/bugeye settings.

Then go to steering bushings and bracing; prefer this to getting an overly stiff front sway for better turn-in.

Upgrade your driveline from motor mounts to pitch stop to tranny mount, crossmember bushings, subframe inserts, diff bushings the whole 9 yards. You will bolt down a big, heavy gyroscope and the car will have a more forgiving, more bolted down feel that communicates back to you and lets you know what your control inputs are doing.

Next try springs, like RCE "regular guy springs".

Finally move to upgrading suspension bushings depending on budget.

Consider replacing shock absorbers, not necessarily with any "upgrades", just with new ones if your car is indeed 12-13 yo new shocks will give it a new lease on life. Actually bushings too will give it that tighter feel because the stock rubber ones at this age will be pretty floppy.

At this point your car will handle better than 99% of road cars at any budget.
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Old 03-03-2014, 11:50 PM   #7
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Okay, that's a solid budget to work with. Here is what I have done for my car (see below). I have given several people rides in my car and they love my setup as it's very compliant, but has a sportier feel to it and is very point-and-shoot. I'd say it feels maybe a bit more aggressive than the very vague feel of the WRX from stock, but has a more fine tuned performance feel to it. I put a ton of freeway miles on my setup as I drive roughly 100 miles a day 5 days a week.

Swift Spec R Springs
Koni Yellow Struts
D_Rex Koni Strut Extenders
Turn in Concepts - Black Rubber Bumpstops
Whiteline Com C Top Hats (Front)
Group N Top Hats (Rear) (04+ Style to match the springs)
Group N Pitch Stop
Whiteline Heavy Duty Gear Box Mounts (i.e. Transmission Mounts)
JDM STI Titanium Front Strut Tower Bar
Whiteline Rear Strut Tower Bar
Whiteline 24mm Adjustable Sway Bars (Front & Rear)
OEM 04+ Rear Metal Sway Bar Mounts
Noltec End Links (Front & Rear)
Whiteline Front Roll Center Adjustment Kit
Whiteline Steering Rack Bushings
Whiteline Rear Outrigger Bushings
Whiteline Rear Subframe Locking Bolts
Turn in Concepts - Rear Diff Mount Bushings - Comfort
BigJap Fender Cowl Braces
How does the drop look? Im on dspecs and yellows but could be lower visually.

Wanted to do the konis with swifts and strut extenders but got a good deal.
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Old 03-04-2014, 01:36 AM   #8
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Time to upgrade the bugeyes suspension. I'm not trying to go too low and not sure if coilovers are for me. Just want the best performance for my DD.

I've narrowed it down to (I think) the....

A. Koni sport shocks and Koni springs
B. KYB AGX with STi pinks/JDM STi pinks/H&R sport springs
C. STi Strut/Spring kit for the wrx sedan from Subaru

I'm also going to throw on the Group N strut mounts.

Any opinions/suggestions on which might be the best route???
I'd recommend Koni inserts, with your choice of USDM STI take offs, or JDM STI springs.
The USDM take offs are used STI springs, which are the same as the STI pinks, at a fraction of the cost. I've seen them given away for free sometimes. Look in the classifieds.

The USDM springs are easier to live with over the JDM ones. The JDM ones are very nice, but firm. The JDM can be a bit much for a DD.

You will hate the H&R springs. I've tried them. Too low and too soft.

The AGX works well with the USDM STI springs for a budget build, but not as nice as the Koni.

The STI strut/spring combo is also nice, but not for how much they charge. You can do better for the money.

Go Group-N front tops and stock rear tops. Group-N rear is not needed and a waste of money.

There you go.
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Old 03-05-2014, 04:43 PM   #9
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Start w/ a performance alignment.

Then get swaybars and endlinks and bushings. Super pro tend to be the best. Ask around for what settings are good for you, I am not familiar with GD/bugeye settings.

Then go to steering bushings and bracing; prefer this to getting an overly stiff front sway for better turn-in.

Upgrade your driveline from motor mounts to pitch stop to tranny mount, crossmember bushings, subframe inserts, diff bushings the whole 9 yards. You will bolt down a big, heavy gyroscope and the car will have a more forgiving, more bolted down feel that communicates back to you and lets you know what your control inputs are doing.

Next try springs, like RCE "regular guy springs".

Finally move to upgrading suspension bushings depending on budget.

Consider replacing shock absorbers, not necessarily with any "upgrades", just with new ones if your car is indeed 12-13 yo new shocks will give it a new lease on life. Actually bushings too will give it that tighter feel because the stock rubber ones at this age will be pretty floppy.

At this point your car will handle better than 99% of road cars at any budget.
Wow... Didn't realize bushings made such a difference. Gotta do some research, there's a lot of bushings and end links and mounts and stabilizers annnd the list seems to go on...
any good place to start if I can't do all at once?
Should I stick with Group N everything?

Also seems like I should be getting sway bars to start before the whole shocks and struts go on.
Looking at the cobb, white line, or sti pinks... any recommendations between the 25mm, 24mm, 22mm, 21mm for my situation?
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Wow... Didn't realize bushings made such a difference. Gotta do some research, there's a lot of bushings and end links and mounts and stabilizers annnd the list seems to go on...
any good place to start if I can't do all at once?
Should I stick with Group N everything?

Also seems like I should be getting sway bars to start before the whole shocks and struts go on.
Looking at the cobb, white line, or sti pinks... any recommendations between the 25mm, 24mm, 22mm, 21mm for my situation?
Bushings do make a big difference as a whole.
Split poly are easy to install, Group-N are not as easy. Group-N (rubber) requires almost no maintenance, but poly does (occasional re-greasing). Read up on the pros and cons.

I'd recommend smaller rather than larger sway bars. Read up on why size matters.

Read up on as much as possible, so you have a better understanding of all this.
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Old 03-06-2014, 01:28 AM   #11
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How does the drop look? Im on dspecs and yellows but could be lower visually.

Wanted to do the konis with swifts and strut extenders but got a good deal.
This is what the drop looks like with the Swift Spec R's on my Bugeye.


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Old 03-06-2014, 01:45 AM   #12
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Wow... Didn't realize bushings made such a difference. Gotta do some research, there's a lot of bushings and end links and mounts and stabilizers annnd the list seems to go on...
any good place to start if I can't do all at once?
Should I stick with Group N everything?

Also seems like I should be getting sway bars to start before the whole shocks and struts go on.
Looking at the cobb, white line, or sti pinks... any recommendations between the 25mm, 24mm, 22mm, 21mm for my situation?
For deciding on what sway bars would work for you I'd recommend reading through the FAQ's.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2462278

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1152714

Personally I'd say whatever you decide for bars it is usually preferable to try and get adjustable bars (If possible). This way if you are unhappy with the way the car is setup then you can play around with the settings a bit to try and get a setting that you are happy with.
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Old 03-06-2014, 01:48 AM   #13
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Wow... Didn't realize bushings made such a difference. Gotta do some research, there's a lot of bushings and end links and mounts and stabilizers annnd the list seems to go on...
any good place to start if I can't do all at once?
Should I stick with Group N everything?

Also seems like I should be getting sway bars to start before the whole shocks and struts go on.
Looking at the cobb, white line, or sti pinks... any recommendations between the 25mm, 24mm, 22mm, 21mm for my situation?
Here are more.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171928

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2462278

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1326482

There is SOOOOOOOO much info here. Just spend 3-4 weekends reading though and searching.
No joking. It's all there. Just take your time and look.
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Old 03-07-2014, 12:50 PM   #14
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Nice... have a lot of reading to do!
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