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Old 03-07-2014, 05:50 PM   #1
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Default Scared of my new STI

When I had first chose to buy an STI, after everyone in the scene in south Louisiana swore to me they were "moon cars" or indestructible, i felt confident with my purchase.

Now that I have joined the forum I'm sort of scared for my life my car will spin a rod bearing or blow a ringland. It just seems like there are no good things coming from people about the topic. Some say its not that bad some say it is and blah blah. I understand I have a warranty of 5yr/60k miles, so I don't know why I'm killing myself over it.

I've rebuilt engines before (never a flat 4 unless an old VW bug counts LOL) worked with many mechanics and so on, i know how to change a set of rings/pistons/rods etc... Kinda tempted to upgrade the engine myself if a failure would happen. Although that would suck after spending 40k on a car

This is all scary to me after coming from a nightmare mini cooper with more timing and oiling issues than anything I had ever seen before, which I ended up losing a LOT of money in.
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Old 03-07-2014, 05:51 PM   #2
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Maybe I should do more research in the future haha shame on me
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Old 03-07-2014, 05:55 PM   #3
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Look up what oil to run and keep it stock until your warranty runs out. Do regular oil changes and don't drive it stupid (eg.. 6th gear pulls at WOT on the freeway ) and it will last. Enjoy your car.
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Old 03-07-2014, 06:05 PM   #4
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Look up what oil to run and keep it stock until your warranty runs out. Do regular oil changes and don't drive it stupid (eg.. 6th gear pulls at WOT on the freeway ) and it will last. Enjoy your car.
Yeah I did my first change with 5w30 but I think Im going to jump on the Rotella bandwagon after emailing SOA and getting approval that aftermarket oil does NOT void warranty.

I admit to pushing the car to 135MPH once,
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Old 03-07-2014, 06:27 PM   #5
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t6 is great oil

also, i would highly suggest some forged pistons, acl bearings and some head studs.


My 2011 sti blew up at 9k miles. Stock :P
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Old 03-07-2014, 06:38 PM   #6
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People only post when their motor blows up. No one posts "Hey update my car's still running fine with 100k miles on it!"

The point is, only a small percentage of owners see these problems, and usually there is an issue in the tune/mismatched parts and an incorrect tune, or failure to keep up with proper maintenance behind these problems.

Say you saw 30 threads about a blown ring land. According to cars101, 17,969 wrx and sti's were sold in 2013. Thats just shy of .17% of wrxs and sti's in all of 2013. I know that not all failures are reported on nasioc, but that just gives you an idea.

Treat the car nicely, and it will treat you nicely. You have a warrantee, just in case.
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Old 03-07-2014, 06:41 PM   #7
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People only post when their motor blows up. No one posts "Hey update my car's still running fine with 100k miles on it!"

The point is, only a small percentage of owners see these problems, and usually there is an issue in the tune/mismatched parts and an incorrect tune, or failure to keep up with proper maintenance behind these problems.

Say you saw 30 threads about a blown ring land. According to cars101, 17,969 wrx and sti's were sold in 2013. Thats just shy of .17% of wrxs and sti's in all of 2013. I know that not all failures are reported on nasioc, but that just gives you an idea.

Treat the car nicely, and it will treat you nicely. You have a warrantee, just in case.
Very good points you have there. Makes me a little more comfortable
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Old 03-07-2014, 06:42 PM   #8
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t6 is great oil

also, i would highly suggest some forged pistons, acl bearings and some head studs.


My 2011 sti blew up at 9k miles. Stock :P
What did you do after she blew? Warranty covered or rebiuld with FP, Bearings, Headstuds, etc.
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Old 03-07-2014, 06:49 PM   #9
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dont worry too much. read up and if you mod do it right and get good parts. use good fluids, dont beat it when cold and dont mash the throttle when in a higher gear. my 08 is 6 years old and really never had any issues. its pretty modded and is tuned to 22 psi.
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Old 03-07-2014, 06:54 PM   #10
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What did you do after she blew? Warranty covered or rebiuld with FP, Bearings, Headstuds, etc.
Took it to the junkyard.
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Old 03-07-2014, 07:12 PM   #11
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Drive your car and don't worry about it, it will suck all the fun out of it. These are really are pretty reliable, and if anything does happen, the warranty will have you covered.

Enjoy the new STi!
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Old 03-07-2014, 09:07 PM   #12
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I have to agree. I spun a rod bearing due to a factory defect (was running Redline 5w-40). Subaru not only replaced everything necessary, but on top of that they payed a very large amount for three flights and car rental AND showed even more gratitude by making a car payment for me. I'm not saying you should expect the latter, but my point is that regardless of the bad things you here they will take care of you!. That being said, if a dealership gives you a hard time remember that they're not actually part of SOA, they're simply a distributor. Don't be afraid to call SOA directly. Things tend to magically get better when you do this.

On another note, Do your research about oils! Read read read! http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ is your friend! DO NOT trust most of what is said on here regardless of whether it's good or bad there's wayyy too much at stake to simply listen to one person (even me). I'd look around, read the link above, read other forums, etc. There are critical factors to look for in oil and T6 is ... alright but I would look for something with a higher HT/HS and a better NOACK volatility among other things.
Getting off my soapbox, you want to choose something with the above factors being some of the highest points of scrutiny. The reason is that spun rod bearings are typically caused by either oil starvation or oil shearing. Shearing occurs when a higher weight oil is stressed enough under pressure and heat that it becomes a lower-weight oil. At this point, the pressure it's put under in the rod and crank bearings is sometimes great enough to allow the bearing surfaces to contact each other, causing one to scar and later spin.
This being said, the first key point is going to be a good weight oil (5w-40 is the general consensus). The other two key points... well they're not known by most here, but I'll give you a basic rundown.
The second key component you're looking for here is HT/HS (High temp, high shear). This test denotes the viscosity of oil under a simulated load similar to a bearing (IE: rod bearing, crank bearing, journal bearing). You can see why this is important.The last factor is going to be NOACK volatility. Remember how I said oil starvation is the other cause? Well, this basically tells you how much and at what point the oil evaporates. This is key because you definitely don't want the engine to become starved of oil.
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Old 03-07-2014, 10:47 PM   #13
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There are no problems with modern Subarus such as you have listed. What happens is douchecanoes spout and regurgitate information and deem that it has applicability throughout the Subaru line from today until the moon cracks in two, the Earth tilts off it's axis, and we all ride horses like in the cartoon Thundarr the Barbarian.


Enjoy your car. Things happen with cars, but that's why you have a warranty and the odds of those things happening are very, very low. People who spout rhetoric exist and sadly we cannot throw them into woodchippers.
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Old 03-07-2014, 10:53 PM   #14
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keep your oil level up and don't beat it to death and you will be fine
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Old 03-07-2014, 11:59 PM   #15
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Thanks for the reassuring words everyone. I feel much better now

Also I always let my car warm up for about 2 minutes before driving, and never push the pedal past half throttle until its at RT.
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Old 03-08-2014, 01:18 AM   #16
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LOL. Best quote I've read all day.
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Old 03-08-2014, 01:18 AM   #17
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Damn, I forgot how hardcore the Thundarr intro was!
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Old 03-08-2014, 01:22 AM   #18
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You'll be fine man: don't let the hooligans on here scare you. Take care of her abs she will you. Have fun at times but make sure the car is too if that makes sense. Don't beat her.

Every couple days, check the exterior, check the tires, check the interior and check under hood for any defects and correct them. If you hear a weird noise that's a possible sign of trouble, investigate. If you mod her, do it the right way.

Do all this, you'll have a great relationship with your car
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:17 AM   #19
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When I had first chose to buy an STI, after everyone in the scene in south Louisiana swore to me they were "moon cars" or indestructible, i felt confident with my purchase.

Now that I have joined the forum I'm sort of scared for my life my car will spin a rod bearing or blow a ringland. It just seems like there are no good things coming from people about the topic. Some say its not that bad some say it is and blah blah. I understand I have a warranty of 5yr/60k miles, so I don't know why I'm killing myself over it.

I've rebuilt engines before (never a flat 4 unless an old VW bug counts LOL) worked with many mechanics and so on, i know how to change a set of rings/pistons/rods etc... Kinda tempted to upgrade the engine myself if a failure would happen. Although that would suck after spending 40k on a car

This is all scary to me after coming from a nightmare mini cooper with more timing and oiling issues than anything I had ever seen before, which I ended up losing a LOT of money in.
dont use ANY 5w30 oil in it

get a tune...the stock tune is a big killer
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:46 AM   #20
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dont use ANY 5w30 oil in it

get a tune...the stock tune is a big killer
Only thing that concerns me is that there was a recent thread of spmeone getting work denied because they didnt use subaru approved oil aka 5w30.

Cant remember the entire story but yea. As long as its stock and keeping it maintained with all paper work done then warranty work shouldnt be a problem.

Thou i do agree to get a tune on it.
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Old 03-08-2014, 05:00 AM   #21
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Only thing that concerns me is that there was a recent thread of spmeone getting work denied because they didnt use subaru approved oil aka 5w30.

Cant remember the entire story but yea. As long as its stock and keeping it maintained with all paper work done then warranty work shouldnt be a problem.

Thou i do agree to get a tune on it.
Dang that sounds messed up. SOA even says you can use an aftermakret oil and filter, and that 5w30 is okay to use. If my dealer gives me any trouble (if anything ever happened) I will def contact SOA directly.

Going make the switch to T6 this weekend also.
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Old 03-08-2014, 07:55 AM   #22
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Run the highest-octane premium fuel you can find.

Put a Cobb stage 1 (good) or a Protune (better) on it. This is a double-edged sword: In doing so you will likely get flak from the dealer should something happen but I also think a proper tune greatly reduces the chances of something happening in the first place. It's all about that idiotic close-to-open loop delay...

Set your cluster RPM indicator to light & beep at 6000 and try not to exceed that.

Run a decent oil. I don't personally think there's anything wrong with any "good" API SM 5W30; I think religiously maintaining quantity and a high frequency of changes is more important but it certainly can't hurt to run T6.
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Old 03-08-2014, 09:50 AM   #23
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Anyone else notice that these turbo Subaru's are one of the few cars out there that people buy, and even while stock are worried about major failures?

Think about it. The guys around here recommend new oil and tune right from the dealer .... Oh and BTW, don't go WOT in the wrong gear, and be sure to check your oil every day.

Not saying its bad advice, but its kind of crazy for a stock new car when you think about it.
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Old 03-08-2014, 11:09 AM   #24
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You should probably just sell it and buy an evo. They are perfect! Lol.

Seriously man yes the motors are touchy and the ecu is terrible at compensating for changes to anything without a retune. The ring lands can break but if it were a huge issue at STOCK power levels there would of been a recall of all ej255 and 257 motors to drop in new pistons that were less prone to breaking.

The issue here is that most on here are above stock power levels so stock level failures are somewhat rare. If you are scared of it exploding leave it stock and be happy with that. A stage one tune smooths alot of the power band out and richens up the WOT fueling to make it less prone to knock. Monitor your AF learning and AF corrections if they are more than 8% +/- consistently then something is probably wrong with tune/ hardware that needs addressed.

People are also pretty good knowing something is wrong and instead of limping it home and fixing the issue they decide oh best floor it that will fix it

So take everything you see on here with a large grain of salt and enjoy the damn car
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:59 PM   #25
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That and people don't get on teh interwebz to say their car is running like it supposed too.
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