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Old 03-08-2014, 05:58 PM   #26
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That and people don't get on teh interwebz to say their car is running like it supposed too.
My car is running great on my own tune
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Old 03-08-2014, 07:35 PM   #27
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OP, Issues are of course going to be more prevalent here as nobody really comes back to say things are working great. Honestly, the only thing to really check up on is oil. While people sit here and say don't floor it, don't do this in a certain gear, don't rev above here, just use common sense and you'll be fine.
In reality the car was built to be driven, don't let all the fun go to waste. It's really a beautiful car and an incredible experience. You have a bad day, get in the car and drive, it'll never fail to make you smile. I remember Wednesday was one of my first days really driving here in California, I took it up on Pacific Coast Highway, took this road, and it was definitely incredible ... there's nothing like it.
Notice the two most common comments in this thread:
Oil
Have fun

Later on learn about the other things when the mod bug bites you (and it will), but seriously, that's all you need for now.

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Old 03-10-2014, 11:24 PM   #28
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take care of the car and it will last forever!
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Old 03-11-2014, 01:32 AM   #29
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When I had first chose to buy an STI, after everyone in the scene in south Louisiana swore to me they were "moon cars" or indestructible, i felt confident with my purchase. Now that I have joined the forum I'm sort of scared for my life my car will spin a rod bearing or blow a ringland. It just seems like there are no good things coming from people about the topic. Some say its not that bad some say it is and blah blah. I understand I have a warranty of 5yr/60k miles, so I don't know why I'm killing myself over it. I've rebuilt engines before (never a flat 4 unless an old VW bug counts LOL) worked with many mechanics and so on, i know how to change a set of rings/pistons/rods etc... Kinda tempted to upgrade the engine myself if a failure would happen. Although that would suck after spending 40k on a car This is all scary to me after coming from a nightmare mini cooper with more timing and oiling issues than anything I had ever seen before, which I ended up losing a LOT of money in.
Can you please explain the problem with a 6th gear WOT pull? I'm unfamiliar with this.
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Old 03-11-2014, 03:26 AM   #30
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I'll be the bearer of good news I have a 13 sti with invidia n1 and cobb intake with the stage 1 tune (dp and uppipe just came in ) since 1900 miles and I just turned over 8400 miles. Car runs like a champ. I've even gone wot in 5th over 130 mph and it wanted more. Can't wait to do the exhaust work and get my protune next month. The key is a proper break in. If you baby the first 1000 miles like the manual says forget about doing any mods b/c it will probably blow. I bought mine with 8 miles. Drove it home from the dealer and got to about 50-60 miles and I let it rip through 2nd and a little bit of 3rd. Best thing you can do. This helps seat the rings and seals. Didn't do it again till till about 120 or so and by 250 I was driving it like it was meant to be driven. But long story short just drive it man this car is way too much fun to not drive it like it's meant to drive
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Old 03-11-2014, 09:27 AM   #31
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LOL. I wasn't going to comment in this thread when I saw it a few days ago, but now I have to since there's some wrong information in here.

For the record I have a 2011 WRX that was purchased at 8 miles on the ODO in March 2011.

My break-in method was as follows:

New Car Break-in period

1000 miles: Drive calmly for the first 1,000 miles and vary your driving with a normal mix of city and highway.

Always note the blue 'cold engine' light on the dashboard- its a visual reminder that the engine is cold.
Avoid hard starts and stops.
Avoid over-revving the engine, try to keep RPMs under 4000.
Vary your speeds over the full range of city and highway driving
Don't use cruise control much, if at all.
City and freeway driving is fine because that will vary the speeds

Source: http://www.cars101.com/subaru/maintenance-2014.html

I did not go WOT until after 1000 miles.

After 1000 miles I went to an OTS Cobb stage 1 tune for a week and then was protuned.

At 30k miles I went full stage 2 bolt ons (PW TMIC, AEM Intake, Invidia catless Q300 exhaust, GS EBCS, boost/wideband gauges, etc.) and made 293/315 on a dynojet.

At 65k miles I installed FIC1100cc injectors and a DW65c pump and made 310/326 on a mustang dyno. E85 tune will come in the summer.

Now at 71k miles, I still don't have to top off my Rotella T6 oil in between 5k oil change intervals (knock on wood).

So don't let anyone scare you out of modding, and that your motor is going to blow up since you didn't break it in properly.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:14 AM   #32
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My 13 STi does not have that feature. I got my 13 last march with 5 miles on it. I now have 26K miles. (just hit my one year anniversary)

Been on a bigger turbo and E85 making +400whp for almost half its life. Burns ZERO oil.

I gave it a medium hard break in with LOTs of engine breaking and RPM varying. Wot a few times too. You have to drive the thing, don't be a pus$y...
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:18 AM   #33
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mine doesn't either. i just copied/pasted that stuff from the link i referenced.

my break-in lasted only 2 weeks. since i drive 500 miles a week for work.
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Old 03-11-2014, 12:20 PM   #34
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I broke mine in by immediately hitting the highway and going into boost not WOT. Then after a minute or so of various throttle I would downshift into 4th from 6th and give a nice engine break to put some good vacuum on the rings. Did that for 30 miles.

From them I exited the highway and took it on some back roads giving it again various loads and the occasional engine break to a close stop then ramp her back up. Total break in day 1 was 200 miles after that I drove normal with more attention to engine breaking but I went WOT after that.

Oh and it was stock tune I waited til 500 miles for stage 1 then stage 2 came later once I had time to install downpipe.
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Old 03-11-2014, 12:29 PM   #35
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Medium hard break in too. 4k miles on original fill and oil is still at top of Mark. About to do my first change. Stage 1 Cobb at 1000 miles.
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Old 03-11-2014, 12:41 PM   #36
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I broke mine in by immediately hitting the highway and going into boost not WOT. Then after a minute or so of various throttle I would downshift into 4th from 6th and give a nice engine break to put some good vacuum on the rings. Did that for 30 miles.

From them I exited the highway and took it on some back roads giving it again various loads and the occasional engine break to a close stop then ramp her back up. Total break in day 1 was 200 miles after that I drove normal with more attention to engine breaking but I went WOT after that.

Oh and it was stock tune I waited til 500 miles for stage 1 then stage 2 came later once I had time to install downpipe.

Yeah, but you popped yours so your process doesn't count
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Old 03-11-2014, 01:38 PM   #37
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A failure to break the motor in correctly will be excessive oil consumption because the rings fail to seat properly. The motor may also be down on power because compression is lower than normal for the same reason.

A good break-in isn't going to make the hypereutectic pistons any more resistant to detonation. It also won't make the bearings any less susceptible to spinning due to, say, oil starvation.
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:18 PM   #38
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Yeah, but you popped yours so your process doesn't count
I used this process on my new one the first one got the factory break in
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:38 PM   #39
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People only post when their motor blows up. No one posts "Hey update my car's still running fine with 100k miles on it!"

The point is, only a small percentage of owners see these problems, and usually there is an issue in the tune/mismatched parts and an incorrect tune, or failure to keep up with proper maintenance behind these problems.

Say you saw 30 threads about a blown ring land. According to cars101, 17,969 wrx and sti's were sold in 2013. Thats just shy of .17% of wrxs and sti's in all of 2013. I know that not all failures are reported on nasioc, but that just gives you an idea.

Treat the car nicely, and it will treat you nicely. You have a warrantee, just in case.
People Never Posted about Ringland Failures in any of the Camry, or Accord, Do they ?
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People Never Posted about Ringland Failures in any of the Camry, or Accord, Do they ?
lol wut dat logic....


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I used this process on my new one the first one got the factory break in

Weeell theeen. carry on sir...
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Old 03-11-2014, 03:32 PM   #41
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People Never Posted about Ringland Failures in any of the Camry, or Accord, Do they ?
<my face in my palm, shaking my head>
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Old 03-11-2014, 03:50 PM   #42
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I make sure to post about my subaru Ringland failures on Honda forums... Don't you guys?
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Old 03-11-2014, 03:59 PM   #43
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Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I personally think all this ringland failure has been blown way out of proportion. A lot of people spreading this around don't even own the car and have never experienced this issue.They just choose to spread around things they read about and have no facts on it. people beat the crap out of their cars mod incorrectly and wonder why they crack ringlands. My opinion is there are probably very few failures that weren't the owners fault.
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Old 03-11-2014, 04:05 PM   #44
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Here is a Newer one, just finished Baking today, like couple hours ago...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...9#post41597879

Well, don't be afraid, you have warranty, and you can work on your engine. When it pops, you put in Built Internals, and you are Golden
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Old 03-11-2014, 04:14 PM   #45
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During my break in I went into boost but not WOT until 500 miles, after 500 miles i did a few WOT pulls from 2-3 gear, and then not again until about 800 miles.

My first oil change was with castrol syntec 5w30, and 2k miles later im having no consumption.

I've read in the manaul about the blue "cold start" light also, but it has never displayed on my dash. Anyways I always let my car run for 2 minutes or so before leaving the house.

Also, who has replaced the shortblock on their own? I was surprised to see RSD sells the whole assembly for 1900 dollars.. Thats not all that bad if you ask me. Once my warranty runs out ill be sure to have that cash on the side just incase
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Old 03-11-2014, 04:23 PM   #46
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i think when the new gen imprezas came out, the blue start light in the manual was added in. i know my manual didnt mention that.
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:02 PM   #47
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<my face in my palm, shaking my head>
The guy's point, despite being poorly written, is actually legit:

If you were to peruse other forums would you see denizens complaining about massive internal engines failures -- spun bearings and broken piston ringlands -- on the scale that we see in the WRX/STI forums?

Are there comparable Facebook pages to this:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Subar...54351337932314

Jeez, even one of the major car magazines (Car and Driver) had to replace the engine during their 2008 STi long-term evaluation.

Our forums -- NAISOC, ClubWRX, wrxtuners, Toronto Subaru Club etc -- all have their own lengthy threads about this.

Subaru have hinted at a problem by offering to "recalibrate" engine management systems to reduce the chances of detonation, a sign that even they know even the OE tune and detonation will hurt the stock engine.

I don't really know if other makes have issues of this magnitude. But I also suspect that most of those cars don't come from the factory draped in WRC heritage and tough-as-nails drivetrains clearly designed for above-average "abuse" (term used loosely.) Bearings should not be spinning and pistons should not be breaking at all, ever, unless somebody goes crazy on aftermarket stuff.

Ford's piston testing:

"Ford tests pistons without their friction-reducing coatings at the tightest piston-to-cylinder tolerance. It also runs them for 10 hours at high load with the knock sensors disabled and the intake air heated to make the engines detonate like crazy. In some instances, this punishment bends the connecting rod before the piston fails."

Anyone think Subaru did this level of diligence with the EJ257?
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The guy's point, despite being poorly written, is actually legit:

If you were to peruse other forums would you see denizens complaining about massive internal engines failures -- spun bearings and broken piston ringlands -- on the scale that we see in the WRX/STI forums?

Are there comparable Facebook pages to this:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Subar...54351337932314

Jeez, even one of the major car magazines (Car and Driver) had to replace the engine during their 2008 STi long-term evaluation.

Our forums -- NAISOC, ClubWRX, wrxtuners, Toronto Subaru Club etc -- all have their own lengthy threads about this.

Subaru have hinted at a problem by offering to "recalibrate" engine management systems to reduce the chances of detonation, a sign that even they know even the OE tune and detonation will hurt the stock engine.

I don't really know if other makes have issues of this magnitude. But I also suspect that most of those cars don't come from the factory draped in WRC heritage and tough-as-nails drivetrains clearly designed for above-average "abuse" (term used loosely.) Bearings should not be spinning and pistons should not be breaking at all, ever, unless somebody goes crazy on aftermarket stuff.

Ford's piston testing:

"Ford tests pistons without their friction-reducing coatings at the tightest piston-to-cylinder tolerance. It also runs them for 10 hours at high load with the knock sensors disabled and the intake air heated to make the engines detonate like crazy. In some instances, this punishment bends the connecting rod before the piston fails."

Anyone think Subaru did this level of diligence with the EJ257?

Thank you sir. Honestly, Ford is doing some good stuff out there.
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:20 PM   #49
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I'm not Gonna read the thread, but... Just enjoy the car, when something happens, then worry. But for now, let the good times roll
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:22 PM   #50
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The guy's point, despite being poorly written, is actually legit:

If you were to peruse other forums would you see denizens complaining about massive internal engines failures -- spun bearings and broken piston ringlands -- on the scale that we see in the WRX/STI forums?

Are there comparable Facebook pages to this:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Subar...54351337932314

Jeez, even one of the major car magazines (Car and Driver) had to replace the engine during their 2008 STi long-term evaluation.

Our forums -- NAISOC, ClubWRX, wrxtuners, Toronto Subaru Club etc -- all have their own lengthy threads about this.

Subaru have hinted at a problem by offering to "recalibrate" engine management systems to reduce the chances of detonation, a sign that even they know even the OE tune and detonation will hurt the stock engine.

I don't really know if other makes have issues of this magnitude. But I also suspect that most of those cars don't come from the factory draped in WRC heritage and tough-as-nails drivetrains clearly designed for above-average "abuse" (term used loosely.) Bearings should not be spinning and pistons should not be breaking at all, ever, unless somebody goes crazy on aftermarket stuff.

Ford's piston testing:

"Ford tests pistons without their friction-reducing coatings at the tightest piston-to-cylinder tolerance. It also runs them for 10 hours at high load with the knock sensors disabled and the intake air heated to make the engines detonate like crazy. In some instances, this punishment bends the connecting rod before the piston fails."

Anyone think Subaru did this level of diligence with the EJ257?
Subaru are a fraction of the size of Ford for one.

Also subaru have been hurt by the eco crowd. The bad tune is there because of regulations and emission controls.
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