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Old 04-08-2001, 09:08 PM   #1
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Question Recently unemployed in the Technology field...

Although, I'm currently employed. It seems that more people I know (99% are tech geeks) are recently unemployed.

Can you guys let me know how bad/good the job market is? The company I work for 'seems' OK financially, but I don't want to lose my job because of financial instability a 3rd time.


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Old 04-09-2001, 06:13 AM   #2
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Will -

Believe it or not, there are those of us that still have jobs. With the front range being packed with techie start-ups, it seems like we're see a bit more of the backlash of the weakening market. However, I'm pretty convinced this is not going to turn into another depression. Now seems to be the time to hunker down in a current position, hope for the best and ride it out.

Before, it seems like any shaved monkey that could spell "Visual Basic" could get a phat paying job. Now, employers are more selective in their hiring procedures. Jobs are still out there, however.

To be honest, I get pretty nervous about the whole thing. Having to take a pay cut would mean less scooby snacks. That would not be fun. Cheers.

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Old 04-09-2001, 09:33 AM   #3
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I think Paul is right on this. If you've got a job and it seems stable... stay with it - ride it out. Any paycheck is better than no paycheck.

Fortunately for me, I work for an engineering firm in Lakewood as a computer programmer. So, we're not strongly affected by the plumeting technology market. People are still building buildings, bridges, power plants, etc. And yes... Qwest is still in business! (they're one of our biggest customers and one of your biggest pains in the ass - they owe us about 18 million dollars in unpaid invoices!)

What I would advise to those in the computer market: Stay with your job if you can. But, also pick up a couple of books on something other than computers. Take up another hobby - it may turn into your next profession.

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Old 04-09-2001, 01:09 PM   #4
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I got cut due to thinning resources. The new guy is always the first to get cut. If anything, just keep your skills sharp and you should find something. I've had many favorable responses...but I still call a paycheck the real achievement! Just calling yourself a programmer is one thing. But if you've got solid experience behind you, you shouldn't have a problem. Don't focus on too many of the huge corporations. The tech fair I went to today had EVERYONE in line for IBM. Just keep in mind that there are still plenty of options.

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Old 04-09-2001, 01:36 PM   #5
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hmm...I think I'll stick to torturing small animals
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Old 04-09-2001, 01:43 PM   #6
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El Kabong -
Actually, Tom is on the right track. My first career path was 3D animation, and it failed miserably (only a few freelance jobs in 2-3 years of job searching). I'm glad I did read those books.

I really, really, really doubt the Tech industry (as a whole) will die anytime soon. As long as your willing to learn new things and are flexible to the changing conditions, job hunting shouldn't take long.

Burninrubber -
That really sux. In the end (before you were axed), did they ante-up and hire you as a full-time employee?


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Old 04-09-2001, 01:47 PM   #7
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Right, but 3D animation isn't programming... Unless you're writing the graphics engines. I'm talking C/C++/Java, those are languages that will ensure your employability. I'm actually back to writing in C, because the OpenTV SDK is all C... blah...
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Old 04-09-2001, 02:55 PM   #8
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Example:

I'm a Visual Basic programmer for an engineering firm... boring? YES.

What books have I been reading lately?
- Welder's handbook
- Machinists's handbook
- Basic AC and DC circuits (hey, it's a start!)

What have I been doing in my free time?
- Building strut bars for the Imprezas out of 4130 Chromoly steel in my garage.
- Studying metalergy (sp?)... strength and materials, etc.
- Studying the thoeries behind performance race car engines. Also practicing for when I pit crew for an NHRA top fuel funny car this summer.

I'm opening up my doors... looking into new things. I've been programming and getting paid for it since I was 14 years old. It's getting boring and the market isn't going anywhere.

I'm seriously enjoying building custom race-prepped Porsches. MUCH more fun than sitting at a keyboard all day listening to headphones writing programs.

My point: taking up another hobby couldn't hurt. It'll give somebody something to fall back on. I'm sure the technology market isn't just going to vanish into thin air. I'm just saying there could be an abundance of programmers and technicians. I think it's going to turn into even more of a cut-throat business. My opinion. Not something I want to be in.

You also have to keep in mind I'm only 18 years old. I've yet to figure out what I REALLY want to do with my life. So, I'm exploring my options.

To one his own.

Thanks for listening.

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Old 04-09-2001, 05:02 PM   #9
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I THINK JOBS SUCK period thats just me though
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Old 04-09-2001, 08:14 PM   #10
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Wow, I'm surprised Eric (or anyone else for that matter) didn't take a shot at my comment
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Old 04-10-2001, 12:42 AM   #11
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Hmmm... My post sounded like my job was unstable (note to self: no more posts after 1am) Nor am I looking for another job, I'm happy with my current job and would like to keep it.

I'm very confident that my current job is very stable, at least for the next 18 months, I'm really curious if people (in the tech industry) are having a hard time finding a job, or has the Denver tech job market shrunk considerably.


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Old 04-10-2001, 12:48 AM   #12
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Will, I think the market is still strong. I have no fear of finding another job should I choose to do so. I have no clue what Tom is talking about, learn another profession? I think not. The software industry isn't going away. If you are a web developer, you might want to pick up a book and learn some real programming languages, but come on. For those of us who use real languages, there is no shortage of work. And this is not a knock on web guys, it's just that there is a glut of those people for a reason, it's easy to do.

I'm currently working with interactive TV apps. Seems to be a really good area to be in. I could get a job downtown with a phone call.
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Old 04-10-2001, 07:06 AM   #13
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To which you could have replied -

"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

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Old 04-10-2001, 10:11 AM   #14
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"Somebody blows their nose and you wanna keep it?" I've been trying to mix racing and computers lately, with some interesting results. For those of you that don't know, I'm not at JC anymore. It was an amiable split that was just business. Anyway, my research into cars and computers keeps leading to programmable EFIs and datalogging systems. It's more machine code than I'm used to, but the logic is still the same as VB and C++. Lot's of hex is involved.
More EFI systems keep popping up, so designing a "new" one may just get harder as time goes on. We'l see. I don't want to let those tech skills go to waste though, so I'm still looking for client/server jobs. Anyone have any suggestions?

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Old 04-10-2001, 11:25 AM   #15
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Old 04-10-2001, 11:27 AM   #16
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Ah, I had no idea you were only 18 Tom. I went through that same thing when I was that age. The last place I pictured myself was behind a desk... ah well... it pays the bills...

So, given that I have about 11 years of living life on you, I have a ton to fall back on. I could probably support myself working on jeeps. I have so many people asking me about stuff just in my office.

I agree, you gotta find something that makes you happy. I'm at the point now where I get to call lots of the shots on a project. So I'm still having fun.
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Old 04-10-2001, 01:09 PM   #17
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You and me both, blaster... It was just business, though. We're all still friends. A full time programming position just wasn't feasible. Other local tuning shops have still given me good responses.

Tom, have you been coding since you were in middle school? Those are really the one's that companies drool over. Some would take that over a 4 year degree any day of the week. Oh well, back to the job search.

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Old 04-10-2001, 01:33 PM   #18
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Yes, it's true... 9th grade... still couldn't drive. I would get off the bus stop in Ketchum, Idaho and walk to A+ Computer Technology where I would not only build websites for small and midsize corps in the area, but I would also build and service custom PCs.

Before that I was even a nerd. Believe it or not, but I was a very accomplished chess player at the age of 13. Went to world championships twice. Once when I was 12 and once when I was 13. I was ranked 30th in the world at that point. Quit because it didn't pay the bills (at that point, bills were more computer parts, software (games), and candy) as well as the 30/hr job at A+ did.

As with any kid, things have, and will, change.

I regret eating as much candy as I did because now I'm in the process of getting about 13 cavities in my mouth filled with porcelin. Have about 6 filled now...

Take care of your teeth!!
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Old 04-11-2001, 12:11 AM   #19
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I don't consider calling shots on projects (which I do for most programming projects within this company) fun. I'd rather just go to work, do the job, and go home. I don't want to have to worry about **** other than what I'm working on / assigned to. Being in charge means you gotta answer to the stuff going on. It's not really fun for me.

I've been at this company just over two years and I've been here longer than the other 5 programmers. Everybody is replacable in a corporation... ALWAYS remember that.
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Old 04-11-2001, 12:12 AM   #20
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I have a great job! I sell subies here at Flatirons in Boulder. Congratulations to Zach aka Shadow ES, the proud new owner of his black Impreza. This is the fourth I-Club member that I am aware of that has taken delivery here from me of a new Impreza!
If you want one with great service from someone who knows what they are taking about just ask Diz about his favorite house plant for a reference and then call and ask for Jon Eric here at Flatirons Subaru-Boulder
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Old 04-11-2001, 12:32 AM   #21
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burningrubber -

Too bad about the job loss - that was quicker than I thought.

However, in answer to this thread, the DC area was one of the hottest technology job markets in the country. Probably still is. Last year at this time, our "Mega Employment Section" in the Post had about 75 pages of tech jobs. This last weekend it was 8, 2 of which were real engineering, not computer.

For younger people who have never seen such a thing, this too shall pass. I got out of the Army in 1992 to a soft job market. If the job you have now is suboptimal, hang on to pay the bills, and wait til next year. Things will get better.

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Old 04-12-2001, 07:52 AM   #22
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I too recently have gone through the job hunt situation. I moved out here in January of last year and started working for USWEST in Boulder. After about 9 months and the Qwest merger, I and about 250 of my peers were laid off. It was one of the best things that ever happened to me. I received a huge serverance check, a paid 2 month vacation and ultimately found a better paying and more enjoyable job.

I now work for Avaya in Westminster.

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