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Old 03-18-2014, 07:02 PM   #1
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I was looking through the owner's manual and I got two different grades of oil I can use.

The first was 5W-30 which is what I'm used to seeing
The second was like 0W-20 which is a way different grade

I didn't see anything that said what region each oil is used but I'm assuming the 5W-30 is the grade I should be using.

Can anyone shed some light?
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oh my gawd


somebody didnt do ANY research on this......

dont make any more threads before you search and read for a while....every question you have has been answered already.....especially oil questions
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These threads must be A-sexual, they breed like mice.
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Forgive me for trusting an owner's manual which came with my car.
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I'm assuming you're referring to an N/A 2014 Impreza, in which case use 0W20.
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I'm assuming you're referring to an N/A 2014 Impreza, in which case use 0W20.
Yeah N/A. Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.
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lol. You just committed the great sin of asking a question that has been answered 50 million times already. If you do some searching the answer will become apparent and you will not get the snarky comments. look into Mobil1 0w-40 and rotella T6

lol. took too long to post I was thinking it was the WRX
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lol. You just committed the great sin of asking a question that has been answered 50 million times already. If you do some searching the answer will become apparent and you will not get the snarky comments. look into Mobil1 0w-40 and rotella T6

lol. took too long to post I was thinking it was the WRX
I looked up oil but all the threads I were finding were problems with the oil system and not what grade the engine takes. So rather than go through every single one I figured I'd just ask.
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Forgive me for trusting an owner's manual which came with my car.
IGNORE the local forum bullies ( read ANY thread, and you WILL !! know who they are...!)

As for the owners manual, good job in actually reading it, as many never do... !

However, this forum seems to flip flop on manual good, or manual bad... a recent spark plug question got the poster grief because he didn't read the manual "CLOSELY" enough... distance vs time to change plugs .

Another thread bashes those that FOLLOW the manual, because they should somehow know better than what SUBARU actually says in the manual...

WHATEVER...

As for your question, I thought all 2014's non-turbos specified 0w20 synthetic... ? As for the difference between the 0w20
synthetic, and a 5w30 synthetic... Not much!

The 0w20 is slightly thinner at operating temps ( that is what the 20 part of the description means) than the 5w30. Many argue that thinner oils at operating temp. are used ONLY for very slightly improved fuel economy, while providing "ADEQUATE" wear protection. 0w20 is also thinner than the 5w30 (but still WAY thicker than at operating temps...) at all temps BELOW the typical 212f operating temp. That is what the "0" part means... and this helps oil flow to moving parts during stone cold starts. 5w30 oils work quite well in cold temps too, but the 0w20 is better in extreme cold. Kind of a very good vs excellent rating. The severity of a cold start is VERY temp. dependant. + 70 f is very different than - 40 f for oil viscosity (thickness)

Both would be just fine 99 % of the time. If you wanted to get real picky, then use the 0w20 in the winter, if you have real winter, like way below freezing where you live. That is where an 0w oils excel, in extreme low temps. If not, just use a decent 5w30 all of the time, and you will be fine. What is a "decent" 5w30... THAT is a question you will have to research, as there are numerous opinions ...

In the 5w30 synthetic grade, you have DOZENS ! of choices. Do some reading, and see what people like, and dislike. There are fanboys/haters for everything. Joys of the internet...

If your car is a non-turbo, not track or auto-x driven, then any brand name 5w30 synthetic will be just fine. And if you change the oil at lower mileage intervals, a conventional oil would be fine as well. Frequent oil changes are far more important than brand name. And SUBARU seems to want to extend oil change intervals out to 7500 miles... which is WHY synthetic is now required, and which may or may not apply to your driving conditions. Remember, constant short trips require MORE FREQUENT oil changes, frequent longer trips and you can go longer... Why? If the oil never has a chance to warm up to full operating temps, and stay there for awhile, it gets contaminated faster... typically with moisture and fuel. Water BOILS off, oil has to be hot to do this...

The MOST! important maintenance you will ever do is to change your oil regularily, and check your oil level weekly. I find it amusing that people will spend HUGE amounts of money on a car, then neglect basic maintenance that costs very little.

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IGNORE the local forum bullies ( read ANY thread, and you WILL !! know who they are...!)

As for the owners manual, good job in actually reading it, as many never do... !

However, this forum seems to flip flop on manual good, or manual bad... a recent spark plug question got the poster grief because he didn't read the manual "CLOSELY" enough... distance vs time to change plugs .

Another thread bashes those that FOLLOW the manual, because they should somehow know better than what SUBARU actually says in the manual...

WHATEVER...

As for your question, I thought all 2014's non-turbos specified 0w20 synthetic... ? As for the difference between the 0w20
synthetic, and a 5w30 synthetic... Not much!

The 0w20 is slightly thinner at operating temps ( that is what the 20 part of the description means) than the 5w30. Many argue that thinner oils at operating temp. are used ONLY for very slightly improved fuel economy, while providing "ADEQUATE" wear protection. 0w20 is also thinner than the 5w30 (but still WAY thicker than at operating temps...) at all temps BELOW the typical 212f operating temp. That is what the "0" part means... and this helps oil flow to moving parts during stone cold starts. 5w30 oils work quite well in cold temps too, but the 0w20 is better in extreme cold. Kind of a very good vs excellent rating. The severity of a cold start is VERY temp. dependant. + 70 f is very different than - 40 f for oil viscosity (thickness)

Both would be just fine 99 % of the time. If you wanted to get real picky, then use the 0w20 in the winter, if you have real winter, like way below freezing where you live. That is where an 0w oils excel, in extreme low temps. If not, just use a decent 5w30 all of the time, and you will be fine. What is a "decent" 5w30... THAT is a question you will have to research, as there are numerous opinions ...

In the 5w30 synthetic grade, you have DOZENS ! of choices. Do some reading, and see what people like, and dislike. There are fanboys/haters for everything. Joys of the internet...

If your car is a non-turbo, not track or auto-x driven, then any brand name 5w30 synthetic will be just fine. And if you change the oil at lower mileage intervals, a conventional oil would be fine as well. Frequent oil changes are far more important than brand name. And SUBARU seems to want to extend oil change intervals out to 7500 miles... which is WHY synthetic is now required, and which may or may not apply to your driving conditions. Remember, constant short trips require MORE FREQUENT oil changes, frequent longer trips and you can go longer... Why? If the oil never has a chance to warm up to full operating temps, and stay there for awhile, it gets contaminated faster... typically with moisture and fuel. Water BOILS off, oil has to be hot to do this...

The MOST! important maintenance you will ever do is to change your oil regularily, and check your oil level weekly. I find it amusing that people will spend HUGE amounts of money on a car, then neglect basic maintenance that costs very little.

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I do have a few more questions now that you've mentioned a few things here. Take note: I don't normally get anal and go all OCD over this kind of stuff, but since this car is leased I want to be sure that nothing I'm going to do will screw anything up for me.

The first is the 7500 mile interval. I saw the chart in the manual and saw the first oil change is required at 7500 and then I think it was every 5,000 miles after that. The sticker they put on my window says to bring it in after 3000 miles. Now I figure I can't go wrong by literally following the book, but there's a large gap between 3000 and 7500.

The second is using synthetic and mineral oils. In my old car I used synthetic because I put almost 200 miles on my car a week, which racks up 3000 in no time. Using synthetic allowed me that 7500 interval. Now obviously if I use synthetic I'll go past the intervals in the book which could in turn screw the warranty god forbid anything should happen.

Maybe I'm overthinking this? I mean worse case scenario I guess I could just call the dealer and see what they say.
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The number you see on your window sticker will differ depending on who you ask. If it's the service writer, sure 7500 miles no problem, tech A will put every 5000, tech B will put every 3500, I think you get my point.

For the people that like to come in every 10,000 miles, I'll put 3mo/3000 on purpose so by the time they notice their sticker, their actual interval will be 5 or 6000 miles.

And yes, you're overthinking this lol.
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The number you see on your window sticker will differ depending on who you ask. If it's the service writer, sure 7500 miles no problem, tech A will put every 5000, tech B will put every 3500, I think you get my point.

For the people that like to come in every 10,000 miles, I'll put 3mo/3000 on purpose so by the time they notice their sticker, their actual interval will be 5 or 6000 miles.

And yes, you're overthinking this lol.
So basically if I follow whatever the book says I'll be in good hands.
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Technically, yes. But I'm still not a fan of the 7500 mile interval. For the N/A motor in your 2014, I'd say anywhere between 3-5000 miles/3-5mo. Just remember this is my opinion, what anyone else tells you is also their opinion.
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Technically, yes. But I'm still not a fan of the 7500 mile interval. For the N/A motor in your 2014, I'd say anywhere between 3-5000 miles/3-5mo. Just remember this is my opinion, what anyone else tells you is also their opinion.
I appreciate your help. Thanks a lot!
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I need to make you a medal. I do have a few more questions now that you've mentioned a few things here. Take note: I don't normally get anal and go all OCD over this kind of stuff, but since this car is leased I want to be sure that nothing I'm going to do will screw anything up for me. The first is the 7500 mile interval. I saw the chart in the manual and saw the first oil change is required at 7500 and then I think it was every 5,000 miles after that. The sticker they put on my window says to bring it in after 3000 miles. Now I figure I can't go wrong by literally following the book, but there's a large gap between 3000 and 7500. The second is using synthetic and mineral oils. In my old car I used synthetic because I put almost 200 miles on my car a week, which racks up 3000 in no time. Using synthetic allowed me that 7500 interval. Now obviously if I use synthetic I'll go past the intervals in the book which could in turn screw the warranty god forbid anything should happen. Maybe I'm overthinking this? I mean worse case scenario I guess I could just call the dealer and see what they say.

"...the car is leased..."

Then go by the manual. The dealer will ALWAYS try and increase the frequency of service, when YOU are paying...!

Is there a severe use schedule? If so, the service intervals are more frequent. And, most city drivers fall under the severe service category, with most not understanding that severe service involves many factors beyond sustained high rpm/temp etc.

SHORT TRIPS...

As for synthetic oils, their primary benefits are longer service intervals and cold flow properties. I believe SUBARU now requires synthetic, to allow for the longer 7500 mile service interval.

Because the car is leased, I would follow the manual recommended intervals, use synthetic oil in the specified grade (0w20 I thought) , hang on to your receipts if not serviced at the dealer, and not worry about it too much.

But still be sure to check your oil level weekly, as some new SUBARUS have been using more oil than normal. If you run out of oil, and grenade the engine, warranty coverage becomes debatable... and it happens. But not to people who check their oil ...
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Technically, yes. But I'm still not a fan of the 7500 mile interval. For the N/A motor in your 2014, I'd say anywhere between 3-5000 miles/3-5mo. Just remember this is my opinion, what anyone else tells you is also their opinion.
This is just wrong. N/A Subaru's are very easy on oil and can do 7,500 mile intervals and beyond. Try looking at a used oil analysis which is just slightly better than anyone's opinion.

No worries on running the factory fill or any GF5 oil for 7,500 miles.

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I was looking through the owner's manual and I got two different grades of oil I can use.

The first was 5W-30 which is what I'm used to seeing
The second was like 0W-20 which is a way different grade
Have another look at the manual. 5W-30 is only allowed for replenishment.

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This is just wrong. N/A Subaru's are very easy on oil and can do 7,500 mile intervals and beyond. Try looking at a used oil analysis which is just slightly better than anyone's opinion. No worries on running the factory fill or any GF5 oil for 7,500 miles. Have another look at the manual. 5W-30 is only allowed for replenishment. -Dennis
SUBARU puts some weird stuff in their manuals...

ONLY!! allowed for replenishment... otherwise the world will end. Is CAFE driving the wording in owners manuals now? I heard something along the lines that if a manufacturer tests fuel economy using a certain grade of oil, they MUST strongly "encourage" owners to use the same grade ( usually xw20's...for now...0w16s, soon?) All part of CAFE procedures and requirements...!?

And, It's like they think that 20 grade oils are hard to find... so you COULD use a 5w30 if you had to... But no one has to, EVERY! store and gas station now sells a 5w20 and most have an 0w20 as well.
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Dennis,

How do you think the M1 5w20 HM oil would do in a 2014 2.0 impreza na engine? The OP technically could use pennzoil ultra 5w30 and add a quart of the 5w20 in there.
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Dennis, How do you think the M1 5w20 HM oil would do in a 2014 2.0 impreza na engine? The OP technically could use pennzoil ultra 5w30 and add a quart of the 5w20 in there.
No need to mix, IMO. Although, regular M1 5W-20 is likely a more stable oil than the 0W-20. The only reason 0W-20 is specced over 5W-20 is 0W-20 gives you like .7% better fuel economy for the first 5 minutes of operation. Yes, thank you CAFE.

I'd use 5W-20 HM if I had consumption problem. Both M1 5W-20's get more ZDDP than the 0W-20, but I believe HTHS and viscosity are all close IIRC.

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This is just wrong. N/A Subaru's are very easy on oil and can do 7,500 mile intervals and beyond. Try looking at a used oil analysis which is just slightly better than anyone's opinion.

No worries on running the factory fill or any GF5 oil for 7,500 miles.



Have another look at the manual. 5W-30 is only allowed for replenishment.

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Sure it can but you are not the one approving a possible warranty engine if something goes wrong and they will not be looking at your service history. The manual states what to change your oil at. Depending how you drive it you can go up to 7500 miles. Can it go 7500? Yes. Can it go more? Sure. If you go far past the interval and blow the engine will you get covered? Maybe or maybe not. Also so you know the service interval has now changed for 2015 cars, they are down to 6k miles.
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IGNORE the local forum bullies ( read ANY thread, and you WILL !! know who they are...!)

As for the owners manual, good job in actually reading it, as many never do... !


....and then ya got these know nothing oil change boiz tryin to tell us...us who have been doing this for 30+ years......that WE dont know what we are talking about

calling us bullies

because they are kiddie boiz with MAYBE a couple years under their belts

yeah......go do another lof and stop tryin to think ya know something...ya DONT

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Sure it can but you are not the one approving a possible warranty engine if something goes wrong and they will not be looking at your service history. The manual states what to change your oil at. Depending how you drive it you can go up to 7500 miles. Can it go 7500? Yes. Can it go more? Sure. If you go far past the interval and blow the engine will you get covered? Maybe or maybe not. Also so you know the service interval has now changed for 2015 cars, they are down to 6k miles.
My plan for right now is to do 1,000 miles, then 5,000, and then every 5,000 after that. I might be spending more money than I should but at least I'll cover my bases. I'd rather spend an extra $100 in unnecessary oil changes than having to pay thousands for a blown up engine.
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My plan for right now is to do 1,000 miles, then 5,000, and then every 5,000 after that. I might be spending more money than I should but at least I'll cover my bases. I'd rather spend an extra $100 in unnecessary oil changes than having to pay thousands for a blown up engine.

if you used a good oil and filter...you could EASILY go 7500 miles

but....doing uoa's would tell you the same thing

many of us with modded turbo motors do....no reason an na motor cant
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The poster is LEASING the car...

If doing more oil changes than required by SUBARU gives you peace of mind, by all means go ahead, it certainly won't hurt anything, except your wallet. And , if you follow the recommended service interval of 7500 miles, and you do have an engine issue, what makes you think that you would be on the hook for thousands...?

The last car I leased I maintained EXTREMELY well... thinking I would buy it at the end of the lease...

After 3 years, I was bored with the car, and the usual aging car issues were beginning, so I simply returned it at lease end, and moved on to the next car.
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The poster is LEASING the car...

If doing more oil changes than required by SUBARU gives you peace of mind, by all means go ahead, it certainly won't hurt anything, except your wallet. And , if you follow the recommended service interval of 7500 miles, and you do have an engine issue, what makes you think that you would be on the hook for thousands...?

The last car I leased I maintained EXTREMELY well... thinking I would buy it at the end of the lease...

After 3 years, I was bored with the car, and the usual aging car issues were beginning, so I simply returned it at lease end, and moved on to the next car.
Again oil changes are not just a strait cut 7500. And yes you are required to change the oil in the car for a lease. If the op feels more comfortable changing it at 5 or 6 k then that's his choice. Like I said Subaru just dropped their intervals to 6k for 2015 so not sure how that affects the previous years. Since it's the same engines I would imagine it should. Maybe the op isn't as cheap as other people and can afford to change his oil more often. In the end it's always the owners choice.
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