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Old 03-30-2014, 08:54 PM   #26
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I'd bet its gonna take while before Cobb is willing to put out a base map with much more then fuel, boost, and a timing tweak.
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:18 PM   #27
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1. I don't feel much turbo lag. There may be the slightest lag do to the drivetrain now having to go through the CVT. But on the butt dyno it did not feel like much.

2. When you are in any mode other than normal driving mode it is pretty responsive. In SI drive if your coming into a corner and are at a higher RPM it will hold that "gear" while you go through the turn so you can power out of the turn.

3. That's something I don't know off the top of my head but look for like car and driver or something like that and I'm sure you can find that answer.

4. I did not use launch control on this test drive.
Thanks, now I'm feeling even better about this car.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:05 PM   #28
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How does the WRX ride overall? Is the ride harsh?
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:26 PM   #29
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The "shift" thing has to do with Subaru mimicking an 8-speed transmission with perceivable "gears." The question is specific to the speed of that function. From previous editor reviews, the CVT "shifting" has been described as very quick, quick enough to be compared to dual clutch setups in operation.

On topic of the asked question, what do you think about the CVT's "shifting" performance?
Also.... besides normal and "paddle" mode, does the CVT have a "sport mode"?

BTW, forcing a CVT to be used in quantized simulated "gears" is the stupidest idea for a transmission. When Subaru marketing told Subaru engineers that the public is too stupid to get that the "Continuously Variable" part of the CVT is the entire advantage of CVT in the first place, and the paddle shift function must be implemented the engineers must have been shaking their heads in disgust. Maybe 8 gears was an engineering compromise.

Besides normal economy mode, I hope there's a Sport (and maybe a Performance Sport) mode that tries to keep the engine on boil. THAT would rival a DCT.

The other thing I'm wondering.... the Impreza and Forester implementation of the CVT seemed to get a lot of complaints of typical yucky mushy CVT. Yet WRX CVT is being raved about.... I wonder what technology leap Subaru accomplished, and where is the tradeoff.... aka longevity, reliability, etc
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:29 PM   #30
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Also.... besides normal and "paddle" mode, does the CVT have a "sport mode"?

BTW, forcing a CVT to be used in quantized simulated "gears" is the stupidest idea for a transmission. When Subaru marketing told Subaru engineers that the public is too stupid to get that the "Continuously Variable" part of the CVT is the entire advantage of CVT in the first place, and the paddle shift function must be implemented the engineers must have been shaking their heads in disgust. Maybe 8 gears was an engineering compromise.

Besides normal economy mode, I hope there's a Sport (and maybe a Performance Sport) mode that tries to keep the engine on boil. THAT would rival a DCT.

The other thing I'm wondering.... the Impreza and Forester implementation of the CVT seemed to get a lot of complaints of typical yucky mushy CVT. Yet WRX CVT is being raved about.... I wonder what technology leap Subaru accomplished, and where is the tradeoff.... aka longevity, reliability, etc
As far as I know previous CVT's have been plagued with problems. Several recalls have been issued for CVT's across most manufacturers.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:35 PM   #31
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The two that were here were price on the sticker just above $33k
Wutdaeff??? You could probably snag a base STI for that much!
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:35 PM   #32
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As far as I know previous CVT's have been plagued with problems. Several recalls have been issued for CVT's across most manufacturers.
Girlfriend's Nissan Sentra which is probably the cheapest CVT equipped vehicle is doing just fine. That's my only experience with CVTs. For a daily driver, it does the job quite well.

My question would be how they hold up when you use the paddle shifters more than the regular CVT mode on the WRX. It's almost like it's shifting like a normal auto per-say, but is still using the CVT transmission's internals.
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Old 04-04-2014, 05:54 PM   #33
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Girlfriend's Nissan Sentra which is probably the cheapest CVT equipped vehicle is doing just fine. That's my only experience with CVTs. For a daily driver, it does the job quite well.

My question would be how they hold up when you use the paddle shifters more than the regular CVT mode on the WRX. It's almost like it's shifting like a normal auto per-say, but is still using the CVT transmission's internals.
While you could use the downshift while in Intelligence mode to pass a car...
The much better solution is the Sport button which when selected will keep you on boost
While on the freeway... Which is more than enough for everyday daily driving.

I would not touch Sport# or the paddles unless your doing back roads / twistier roads.
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Old 04-05-2014, 05:31 AM   #34
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Girlfriend's Nissan Sentra which is probably the cheapest CVT equipped vehicle is doing just fine. That's my only experience with CVTs. For a daily driver, it does the job quite well.

My question would be how they hold up when you use the paddle shifters more than the regular CVT mode on the WRX. It's almost like it's shifting like a normal auto per-say, but is still using the CVT transmission's internals.
Have you ever taken the sentra out and beat on it a bit? Ive had 2 altima rental cars and after a bit of driving it like a rental (for only a very few minutes and in the city, like a couple stop light launches,) i would get the most horrid burning clutch smell mixed with other smells of a burning friction material. Its was most certainly burning the bands inside the cvt. With the wrx being nealy double the power, i wonder how subaru coped with this?
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Old 04-05-2014, 10:37 AM   #35
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While you could use the downshift while in Intelligence mode to pass a car...
The much better solution is the Sport button which when selected will keep you on boost
While on the freeway... Which is more than enough for everyday daily driving.

I would not touch Sport# or the paddles unless your doing back roads / twistier roads.
I wonder if the gas mileage is similar in Sport as in Intelligent, provided you don't step on it too hard. I believe they said that at <= 30% pedal pressure it functions in CVT/Intelligent mode, but beyond that it switches to the 6-spd simulated mode.
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Old 04-05-2014, 10:39 AM   #36
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Have you ever taken the sentra out and beat on it a bit? Ive had 2 altima rental cars and after a bit of driving it like a rental (for only a very few minutes and in the city, like a couple stop light launches,) i would get the most horrid burning clutch smell mixed with other smells of a burning friction material. Its was most certainly burning the bands inside the cvt. With the wrx being nealy double the power, i wonder how subaru coped with this?
I've read somewhere that the WRX CVT uses a chain, not a belt. That would make it much more robust. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 04-05-2014, 10:58 AM   #37
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It - and the 2.0i's CVT - uses a chain. I presume the same is true for the Forester and Legacy versions. So far, I haven't heard any horror stories about the 2.0i's CVT showing major issues (and I've been looking). Having said that, I think they all come from JATCO (even though the specs come from Subaru). That is - even the ones used by Nissan, amongst other car manufacturers.
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Old 04-05-2014, 11:37 AM   #38
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Check this out, was taken from Forester forum. Some info on the CVT.
http://www.schaeffler.com/remotemedi...2010_09_en.pdf
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Old 04-05-2014, 11:58 AM   #39
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Besides normal economy mode, I hope there's a Sport (and maybe a Performance Sport) mode that tries to keep the engine on boil. THAT would rival a DCT.
It's not going to rival a DCT because it's still a CVT with a yucky torque converter. You get the worst of both worlds, CVT elastic wind up and torque converter slippage, mushiness, and pumping losses. A DCT is an automated manual transmission with a direct 1:1 connection to the motor. The CVT is not directly connected hence the reason why it's slower and gets worse MPGs.
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:11 PM   #40
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Local dealer got six in. Looks like the two CVTs they had were the first to go. I didn't realize the demand for an auto WRX was this strong.
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:59 PM   #41
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Local dealer got six in. Looks like the two CVTs they had were the first to go. I didn't realize the demand for an auto WRX was this strong.
They have not offered one (an automatic) since what 2008? Combine that with how many Americans don't even know how to drive a stick anymore and you have demand.
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Old 04-05-2014, 01:18 PM   #42
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Also.... besides normal and "paddle" mode, does the CVT have a "sport mode"?

BTW, forcing a CVT to be used in quantized simulated "gears" is the stupidest idea for a transmission. When Subaru marketing told Subaru engineers that the public is too stupid to get that the "Continuously Variable" part of the CVT is the entire advantage of CVT in the first place, and the paddle shift function must be implemented the engineers must have been shaking their heads in disgust. Maybe 8 gears was an engineering compromise.

Besides normal economy mode, I hope there's a Sport (and maybe a Performance Sport) mode that tries to keep the engine on boil. THAT would rival a DCT.

The other thing I'm wondering.... the Impreza and Forester implementation of the CVT seemed to get a lot of complaints of typical yucky mushy CVT. Yet WRX CVT is being raved about.... I wonder what technology leap Subaru accomplished, and where is the tradeoff.... aka longevity, reliability, etc
That's what the Sport# mode does. Maybe you should drive it before making comments like these.

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It - and the 2.0i's CVT - uses a chain. I presume the same is true for the Forester and Legacy versions. So far, I haven't heard any horror stories about the 2.0i's CVT showing major issues (and I've been looking). Having said that, I think they all come from JATCO (even though the specs come from Subaru). That is - even the ones used by Nissan, amongst other car manufacturers.
Subaru does their own transmission.

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They have not offered one (an automatic) since what 2008? Combine that with how many Americans don't even know how to drive a stick anymore and you have demand.
I believe the last Impreza GT was 2010.
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They have not offered one (an automatic) since what 2008? Combine that with how many Americans don't even know how to drive a stick anymore and you have demand.
It's more like they don't care to drive stick anymore in stop and go traffic. Not everyone is a masochist.
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Old 04-05-2014, 01:47 PM   #44
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It's more like they don't care to drive stick anymore in stop and go traffic. Not everyone is a masochist.
Well that is true. Americans are getting fatter and lazier...
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It's more like they don't care to drive stick anymore in stop and go traffic. Not everyone is a masochist.
especially in the daily grind / hills of San Francisco ..
but people in other major cities might have similar issues
such as NYC and LA...
major grid lock and or bumper to bumper traffic takes the fun
out of driving a stick shift.

I would buy a stick shift car as my second car ( BRZ maybe )
for the twist roads up to the NAPA wineries to which I can
enjoy a nice drive and a nice glasses of wine while over looking
the vineyards.

I know what I've type/said sounds odd ...
but I am getting a bit older now and my priorities and
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Old 04-25-2014, 04:45 PM   #46
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I bought the 2015 WRX with CVT, I had it for nearly 3 weeks, and loving it. I live in Los Angeles and traffic is a pain here. The power of the WRX with CVT is there when I need it! 40-60mph in a snap of the peddle, and thats all that matters to me. For those who are skeptical about the CVT, try it out! Also, the new 2015 Subaru Outback is CVT-only.
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Old 04-25-2014, 05:27 PM   #47
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The CVT is made by LuK -- or at least the chain is.

The idea that a CVT doesn't shift is ridiculous. And shifting a CVT can make sense: you know where you are going to go with the throttle so shifting means the CVT doesn't need to think before guessing what you want from it.

CVTs which were problematic were largely belt systems by Jatco and earlier LuK systems made for Audi which did not use a torque converter.

I ordered the CVT because it shifts quickly and I suspect, *with some programming*, that it may perform as well or better than the MT. I like shifting a MT just like anyone, but ATs are quickly becoming better and their software can be updated over time.

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Old 04-26-2014, 08:27 AM   #48
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How did the car feel handling wise with the torque vectoring? I wonder if it's similar to a 6 speed with and without DCCD. A WRX with and without torque vectoring, does one handle better?
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Old 04-26-2014, 08:50 AM   #49
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Wow, lots of speculation here about the CVT. The bottom line is that you must drive one for yourself. Ive had a 14 FXT for the last 11 months and it is the perfect combination for my wife who doesn't want to drive manual. If I lived in an area with lots of traffic I'd get one myself.

Here is basically what the modes are. You can shift any if them, but shifting is largely the same no matter what mode you are in with the exception S# has 8 gears instead of 6.

I mode is just your basic mode. If you WOT the car will automatically switch to S mode. You will get the best fuel economy on the highway in this mode.

S mode raises idle RPM very slightly and gives better throttle response. If the WRX is like the FXT you will get better mileage around town in S mode and since you have better throttle response and slightly higher RPM you will hit boost faster.
This is the fastest mode

S# mode again raises the RPM and gives better throttle response. This mode will simulate an autobox and hold to shifts to redline if you are accelerating. While this can be fun, because it holds shifts past the peak power of the engine it is not quite as fast as S mode according to those who have tested each mode out on the track.

If I could change a couple things it would be:
-faster shifting when using the paddles. It is not slow compared to other cars I've driven, but just not a true manual replacement IMHO
-mode memory. Every time you start the car it defaults to i mode. I wish it would remember the mode you had it in last ie Sport and just stay there.

Hope this helps
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The CVT won't "wow" a manual enthusiast to convert,
but it will attract new buyers who would not normally cross shop
a Subaru or a WRX.

I know because I am one of them.
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