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Old 04-26-2014, 01:12 PM   #51
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The CVT won't "wow" a manual enthusiast to convert, but it will attract new buyers who would not normally cross shop
a Subaru or a WRX.
Ditto. We have to replace one of our cars this year, and the only reason I can consider a WRX this time is because of the CVT. We looked at the Impreza in 2009 and almost bought one, but we couldn't even consider the WRX then because my girlfriend couldn't drive it.

I suspect Subaru are going to sell as many CVT cars as they can build. If you're thinking of buying a fairly loaded CVT Impreza here in Canada, the base CVT WRX isn't that much more expensive.
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Old 04-26-2014, 01:13 PM   #52
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For some reason, the front end reminds me of my mighty evo.
That engine cover has got to come off. That's so LG. I like to see mine naked.
Love how the oil filter is on up now.
And that intercooler looks so small. Smaller than the 07s. I wonder if that's for lag purpose or what.
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Old 04-26-2014, 01:16 PM   #53
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As far as I know previous CVT's have been plagued with problems. Several recalls have been issued for CVT's across most manufacturers.
Other manufacturers have nothing to do with Subaru. Subaru's cvt's have done extremely well and have been very reliable. only issues I've seen have been wiring harness problems on the early new body impreza's. The case had a sharp edge and would rub through the harness. Only other thing I've seen has been tq converters. The cvt's are designed to go to full lock up as fast as possible. My guess is they need to make a better converter to solve this problem because the old style trans wouldn't lock up until basically highway speeds. Or there was just a bad batch. Who knows.

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Girlfriend's Nissan Sentra which is probably the cheapest CVT equipped vehicle is doing just fine. That's my only experience with CVTs. For a daily driver, it does the job quite well.

My question would be how they hold up when you use the paddle shifters more than the regular CVT mode on the WRX. It's almost like it's shifting like a normal auto per-say, but is still using the CVT transmission's internals.
Nissans cvt's blow and have had major issues. Guy I work with's wife had a brand new murano with less then 10k on it. He took it to go to training one day and the thing blew on him while he was out on lunch.

The cvt using the paddle shifters is just fine. Only thing I'd be curious to is how is it going to hold up to modding.
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Old 04-26-2014, 01:17 PM   #54
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The CVT is made by LuK -- or at least the chain is.

The idea that a CVT doesn't shift is ridiculous. And shifting a CVT can make sense: you know where you are going to go with the throttle so shifting means the CVT doesn't need to think before guessing what you want from it.

CVTs which were problematic were largely belt systems by Jatco and earlier LuK systems made for Audi which did not use a torque converter.

I ordered the CVT because it shifts quickly and I suspect, *with some programming*, that it may perform as well or better than the MT. I like shifting a MT just like anyone, but ATs are quickly becoming better and their software can be updated over time.
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Wow, lots of speculation here about the CVT. The bottom line is that you must drive one for yourself. Ive had a 14 FXT for the last 11 months and it is the perfect combination for my wife who doesn't want to drive manual. If I lived in an area with lots of traffic I'd get one myself.

Here is basically what the modes are. You can shift any if them, but shifting is largely the same no matter what mode you are in with the exception S# has 8 gears instead of 6.

I mode is just your basic mode. If you WOT the car will automatically switch to S mode. You will get the best fuel economy on the highway in this mode.

S mode raises idle RPM very slightly and gives better throttle response. If the WRX is like the FXT you will get better mileage around town in S mode and since you have better throttle response and slightly higher RPM you will hit boost faster.
This is the fastest mode

S# mode again raises the RPM and gives better throttle response. This mode will simulate an autobox and hold to shifts to redline if you are accelerating. While this can be fun, because it holds shifts past the peak power of the engine it is not quite as fast as S mode according to those who have tested each mode out on the track.

If I could change a couple things it would be:
-faster shifting when using the paddles. It is not slow compared to other cars I've driven, but just not a true manual replacement IMHO
-mode memory. Every time you start the car it defaults to i mode. I wish it would remember the mode you had it in last ie Sport and just stay there.

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The CVT doesn't shift. There are no gears. It has a torque converter and a metal belt with pulleys. Ratios are variable.

Shifts are simulated to impress guys like these. It just holds a predetermined ratio purely to impress the driver.
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Old 04-26-2014, 01:33 PM   #55
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Shifts are simulated to impress guys like these. It just holds a predetermined ratio purely to impress the driver.
And, presumably, because you don't want the engine dropping to 2,000rpm whenever you take your foot off the gas on a twisty road. In CVT mode, the car is going to guess what engine RPM you want, whereas in 'shift' mode you can keep it in the range you want.
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Old 04-26-2014, 01:35 PM   #56
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The CVT doesn't shift. There are no gears. It has a torque converter and a metal belt with pulleys. Ratios are variable.

Shifts are simulated to impress guys like these. It just holds a predetermined ratio purely to impress the driver.
This is a must read for people arguing about CVTs: http://dp.subaru.com/dp11-1-sport-cvt.aspx

Also, just because there are no gears doesn't mean a CVT can't 'shift' between preset ratios. If there's a better term than 'shift' I'd like to see the critics offer their suggestions rather than putting down others for trying to imagine this from the point of view of a traditional automatic
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Old 04-26-2014, 03:35 PM   #57
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Newbie here and thanks for sharing, I'm shopping a wrx cvt here myself and with family of 4 (2 young ones), since we already have a Quest as a family hauler, I'm looking to get rid of our 08 4runner with bad gas mileage and aging maintenance cost. Figured getting something fun and enough for family of 4 if needed.

Few questions, anyone swap a good set of all season tires for the northeast weather at the dealership and looking to also put 2 child seat if needed, will they fit and are the kids comfortable? Thanks
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Old 04-26-2014, 06:22 PM   #58
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Looking at a 2015 CVT WRX now. I currently have a 2010 G37x sedan and this will be my 2nd car. Kinda wish I could find the absolute base model locally for $26-$27k, but most are premium/limited here, so I'm pretty much just gona go with a Limited, found a few here for $32Kish,
Have you guys been getting them at mainly MSRP price, or is negotiation possible, any incentives out there right now?
Any idea on how the CVT will hold up to basic mods?

previous car was a 2004 WRX wagon auto(I know right) with 270whp, so hoping for similar power.

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Old 04-26-2014, 06:43 PM   #59
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Looking at a 2015 CVT WRX now. I currently have a 2010 G37x sedan and this will be my 2nd car. Kinda wish I could find the absolute base model locally for $26-$27k, but most are premium/limited here, so I'm pretty much just gona go with a Limited, found a few here for $32Kish,
Have you guys been getting them at mainly MSRP price, or is negotiation possible, any incentives out there right now?
Any idea on how the CVT will hold up to basic mods?

previous car was a 2004 WRX wagon auto(I know right) with 270whp, so hoping for similar power.

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I have been shopping online and requested quotes from website like truecar.com and a dealership from Staten Island willing to give around 1200 off on limited CVT but can't confirm since I'm from Jersey and Staten Island is out of the way. Also many dealership either have only 1 or non in stock only. I would probably wait few more months to get better deals.
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Old 04-27-2014, 02:03 AM   #60
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Where I live I paid sticker... But most cars have market adjustment cost added..
So be glad your local dealership will take money off sticker.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:09 AM   #61
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Looking at a 2015 CVT WRX now. I currently have a 2010 G37x sedan and this will be my 2nd car. Kinda wish I could find the absolute base model locally for $26-$27k, but most are premium/limited here, so I'm pretty much just gona go with a Limited, found a few here for $32Kish,
Have you guys been getting them at mainly MSRP price, or is negotiation possible, any incentives out there right now?
Any idea on how the CVT will hold up to basic mods?

previous car was a 2004 WRX wagon auto(I know right) with 270whp, so hoping for similar power.

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Mind my asking why get this for a second car especially since it's similar to your G37x? Wouldn't something with a manual or two doors or RWD give better contrast for a second car?

Regarding your questions, I think it's too early to say how much additional power the CVT can handle. Also, I'd never pay MSRP but I'm in New England.
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Old 04-27-2014, 09:20 AM   #62
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I have been shopping online and requested quotes from website like truecar.com and a dealership from Staten Island willing to give around 1200 off on limited CVT but can't confirm since I'm from Jersey and Staten Island is out of the way. Also many dealership either have only 1 or non in stock only. I would probably wait few more months to get better deals.
You need to contact Ramsey in Jersey. Ask for Clayton.
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:39 AM   #63
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Future cvt owner here. I owned a 02 auto Wrx before this which I recently sold. I test drove it and it was a beauty. "shifting" worked wwonderfully in the new car. Everyone is shocked and angered when I tell em I have an auto. I can drive a manual but chose a manual due to other circumstances. Guess what it drives and gets me from point a to b. It's a sec slower than the manual whoop dee freaking do. I'm not racing it or taking itto the track. It's my daily driver. If people are that angered by me driving an auto I tell them to go buy me a manual transmission and then be angry. I paid money for this car not you.


Also to guy asking about prices. I'm paying 32 before taxes for my limited cvt with the hk/keyless package.
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:48 AM   #64
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You need to contact Ramsey in Jersey. Ask for Clayton.

Clayton can no longer sell 500 below invoice
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/tri-st...suspended.html

He still can sell without markup though
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Old 04-27-2014, 12:20 PM   #65
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Got a slightly stupid OT question/speculation:

CVT, among other things it does, helps hold revs at a certain level when you aren't trying to manually "shift" it; That's not all it does, but that's one particular characteristic of it.

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Woudn't the slightly laggy EJ257, sometimes unresponsive under 3-3.5K and really strong just over 5K benefit from having a respectable CVT, perhaps more than the FA20DIT?
The FA20 is so responsive at any RPM (test drive), whereas the more peaky EJ25 would benefit from staying within a particular rev range, about 5.5K PRM? Perhaps a good HTCVT of sorts behind it might make for an interesting car....and a more fuel efficient one at that.

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Old 04-27-2014, 04:11 PM   #66
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Why would you want to use a CVT with an old engine when you have a newer, better engine? EJ257 is history for the WRX. And I'm pretty certain STI buyers will take the far superior 6 speed manual to put power down vs a possibly heavier and less reliable CVT

tl;dr: WRX CVT paired with the FA20DIT is a great daily driver offering. EJ257 is history.
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Old 04-27-2014, 04:42 PM   #67
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Why would you want to use a CVT with an old engine when you have a newer, better engine? EJ257 is history for the WRX. And I'm pretty certain STI buyers will take the far superior 6 speed manual to put power down vs a possibly heavier and less reliable CVT

tl;dr: WRX CVT paired with the FA20DIT is a great daily driver offering. EJ257 is history.
I'm being hypothetical here, just curious about how a CVT *can* be used for good performance.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:22 PM   #68
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Future cvt owner here. I owned a 02 auto Wrx before this which I recently sold. I test drove it and it was a beauty. "shifting" worked wwonderfully in the new car. Everyone is shocked and angered when I tell em I have an auto. I can drive a manual but chose a manual due to other circumstances. Guess what it drives and gets me from point a to b. It's a sec slower than the manual whoop dee freaking do. I'm not racing it or taking itto the track. It's my daily driver. If people are that angered by me driving an auto I tell them to go buy me a manual transmission and then be angry. I paid money for this car not you.


Also to guy asking about prices. I'm paying 32 before taxes for my limited cvt with the hk/keyless package.
I have an 04 wrx 4eat. Been dealing with the same people since I bought it may 23rd, 2003. Just under 100k, now and going strong at stage 2. The car is very fast and everyone who has driven it love it.
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I have an 04 wrx 4eat. Been dealing with the same people since I bought it may 23rd, 2003. Just under 100k, now and going strong at stage 2. The car is very fast and everyone who has driven it love it.
Nice. Mine had 186k miles on original tranny and was still going strong!
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:43 PM   #70
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Clayton can no longer sell 500 below invoice
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/tri-st...suspended.html

He still can sell without markup though
Thanks, will contact Clayton about price for a cvt limited also. Love to swap those ome rims for the aftermarket black sti rims comes with the sport package.
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Old 04-28-2014, 06:30 PM   #71
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Excellent, I was waiting for someone to share their impressions of the '15 + CVT. I'm seriously considering one. I have a few questions hopefully you can answer.
1) Do you feel any turbo lag with the CVT?
2) Does the CVT feel "lazy" in intelligent mode?
3) Is there any difference in acceleration (0-60) between the 3 modes?
4) Do you really have to use launch control to get the best acceleration or can you just floor it from a standstill?
I am going to go with what I know from the FXT HTCVT, but the WRX could be tuned differently:

1. There is turbo lag in both the 6MT and CVT.
2. Not lazy, just a slower response to throttle input and no rev holding.
3. Yes - the throttle response is better as you step up, and the 6 (S) and 8 (S#) stepped gears are designed to keep you in a better power-band position.
4. Launch control will be able to reduce lag.

I really like the CVT in our non-turbo Forester, and I like the HTCVT in the XT even better. However, if you are like me and prefer a manual then stick with that - every time using the Forester makes sense I grumble a little and have to talk myself into leaving the 6MT WRX in the garage

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Old 04-28-2014, 08:16 PM   #72
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I have to admit I love my 4EAT when I just want to go fast and not have to think about shifting. Luckily I also have my 5MT stage 2 OB 2.5XT for when I want to be more engaged. My sis has an auto 05 Legacy 2.5 with sportshift and I have to say I don't care for it...if I'm driving an auto I want it to be automatic.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:52 PM   #73
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Hopefully Cobb or somebody will be able to dig into the ECU and make it a little more aggressive. It's nice they actually put in a form of launch control, but I have no doubt Subaru gimped the CVT to keep it reliable.

Aside from the weak take off response I am fairly impressed with the CVT. This is one of the few AUTOs that will hold revs instead of overriding and shifting anyway. Faux manual mode was actually fun in the curves.

I'm still considering the CVT as my commute sucks, BUT after 4 WRXs and whining about not having a 6 speed, plus the money I'd save not getting the auto...

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Old 04-28-2014, 10:26 PM   #74
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1. There is turbo lag in both the 6MT and CVT.
Yes, of course there is. It's minimal, but it's still there. It can't be avoided without something like an anti-lag system.

More "physics" from you today.
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Old 04-30-2014, 01:33 AM   #75
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