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Old 04-03-2014, 11:22 AM   #51
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My 2012 WRX's trip computer is consistently off by 0.4mpg.
Mine is almost precisely 1mpg high in my STI. I generally average right around 22mpg on the display, and calculate at almost exactly 21mpg. That's plenty accurate for what it's for.
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Old 04-03-2014, 01:59 PM   #52
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Remember the cvt transmission gives better gas mileage than a manual trans.
Actually with the 2015 WRX the Manual gets better gas mileage, but not by much.
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Old 04-03-2014, 03:16 PM   #53
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economy car
An economy car is an automobile that is designed for low cost purchase and operation. Typical economy cars are small, light weight, and inexpensive to buy. Economy car designers are forced by stringent design constraints to be inventive.

Its is def. not designed for low cost purchase or operation, especially in regards to fuel economy AND the need for premium fuel.

Once the car gets a brand new DIT engine that requires premium gas, its no longer an economy car.

Like I said, being based on the same platform as an economy car does NOT make it an economy car by definition.

What you can say is "hey, this is is based on a economy car." It certainly is not an economy car. $30,000 is not cheap by anyone's standards.

Cheap to me is sub 20,000 like a base civic, focus, fiesta, impreza, corolla, elantra...etc.

Just like the civic Si is not an economy car as much as the acura RSX was.

Its not a premium car ala BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Lexus, Infiniti nor is it an economy car.

It falls in the category of sport compact while the others fall in premium compact.

Theres economy compact, sport compact and premium compact. They are all compacts, but its the former part of the name that designates its price range.

Usually economy will be sub 20K
Sport would be 20-35
and premium start at 35-50.

They are all compacts based on EPA interior volume between 100 and 109 ft^3

Its all in the price bracket.

And finally: Video Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_compact
Go on to subaru website under wrx engine scroll down to fuel and you will see they say 89 for fuel now for the wrx engine.

Price doesnt mean anything on eco car.
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Old 04-03-2014, 03:21 PM   #54
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Go on to subaru website under wrx engine scroll down to fuel and you will see they say 89 for fuel now for the wrx engine.

Price doesnt mean anything on eco car.
Price doesn't mean anything on eco car? Are you kidding me? Price is everything for an eco car...read the definition lol.

And no, they still recommend 91 which is premium gas.
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Old 04-03-2014, 04:49 PM   #55
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Itís not an economy car?

Lol, ok, Iíll bite. Then what is it?

Itís a ****ing economy car with a turbocharged engine in it. That doesnít change the fact that itís still an Impreza just like the $20k base model is.
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Old 04-03-2014, 06:20 PM   #56
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It’s not an economy car?

Lol, ok, I’ll bite. Then what is it?

It’s a ****ing economy car with a turbocharged engine in it. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s still an Impreza just like the $20k base model is.
You people are so dense its ridiculous.

If you think the wrx is just an impreza with a DIT engine why do you even post here?
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Old 04-03-2014, 06:51 PM   #57
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Price doesn't mean anything on eco car? Are you kidding me? Price is everything for an eco car...read the definition lol.

And no, they still recommend 91 which is premium gas.
Prove me wrong then with a screen shot that it says 91
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Old 04-03-2014, 06:51 PM   #58
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It’s not an economy car?

Lol, ok, I’ll bite. Then what is it?

It’s a ****ing economy car with a turbocharged engine in it. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s still an Impreza just like the $20k base model is.
This its just a beefed up economy car.
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:04 PM   #59
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This its just a beefed up economy car.

Which NO longer makes it an economy car.

You are confusing COMPACT for ECONOMY.

The economy part is based on price and cost to run.

Once you enter WRX price territory you are far gone from the economy side of things.

Yes, its still a compact, but not an economy compact. It becomes a sport compact once the transmission, engine, suspension, wheels, interior, frame, body panels become upgraded.

Yes, all those things are different and thus take it out of economy car territory.

The amount dense people in this thread rival the density of the freaking sun man...
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:18 PM   #60
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The trip computer MPG is going to be generous. To get an accurate idea, you have to calculate it yourself. Typically the computer readout is 2-3mpg off.
I Logged trip and actual mpg on both my 06 OBW and 09 OBW. They are pretty consistently 1.1 to 1.5mpg optimistic compared to actual.

Our Cruze TD is the only vehicle we've ever had that has a pessimistic trip computer: actual mpg is 1-3 better when calculated. On a 707 mile trip the computer showed 45.8 mpg and actual was 48.8.
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:21 PM   #61
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It would be sweet to get that kind of MPG
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:27 PM   #62
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Which NO longer makes it an economy car.

You are confusing COMPACT for ECONOMY.

The economy part is based on price and cost to run.

Once you enter WRX price territory you are far gone from the economy side of things.

Yes, its still a compact, but not an economy compact. It becomes a sport compact once the transmission, engine, suspension, wheels, interior, frame, body panels become upgraded.

Yes, all those things are different and thus take it out of economy car territory.

The amount dense people in this thread rival the density of the freaking sun man...
When there's multiple people telling you you're an idiot, you're probably the idiot.

I had a Mustang before my current car, you sound just as obtuse and ignorant as the Cobra owners that tried to claim "they weren't driving a Mustang because it's called a Cobra".

You drive up a tarted up econobox, it's not a Ferrari or even a sports car, sorry.
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:32 PM   #63
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My 04 wrx gets 29mpg on the highway. I would hope that the new 2.0l is better on gas than the old 2.0l
really because my 04 gets 19.2 hwy. i hope people are doing the math right? what mods do you have?
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:46 PM   #64
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Prove me wrong then with a screen shot that it says 91
From http://techinfo.subaru.com/proxy/754...14ASTIS_21.pdf

"Use unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 91 AKI (95 RON) or higher. If 91 AKI (95 RON) fuel is not readily available, unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 87 AKI (90 RON) may be temporarily used. For optimum engine performance and driveability, it is recommended that you use premium grade unleaded gasoline."

Usually, this means knock sensors+engine management will do things that reduce power. For around town you won't notice much difference; but, it will make a difference at the track on on your favorite on-ramp.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:59 PM   #65
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From http://techinfo.subaru.com/proxy/754...14ASTIS_21.pdf

"Use unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 91 AKI (95 RON) or higher. If 91 AKI (95 RON) fuel is not readily available, unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 87 AKI (90 RON) may be temporarily used. For optimum engine performance and driveability, it is recommended that you use premium grade unleaded gasoline."

Usually, this means knock sensors+engine management will do things that reduce power. For around town you won't notice much difference; but, it will make a difference at the track on on your favorite on-ramp.
https://www.subaru.com/vehicles/wrx/models-specs.html

Please go to engine. Scroll down to fuel and tell me what it says
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:19 PM   #66
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This conversation has never, ever been had on NASIOC before now. Thanks guys, for clearing this up for the rest of us.

And as mentioned previously, MPG is dependent on so many variables, its not worth debating. I've gotten over 30 mpg in my WRX and I've gotten under 15. It's all dependent on the conditions, measuring method, and driver.

Maybe this guy's mom got 31 mpg once and mentioned it, so that's what he remembers.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:08 PM   #67
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Maybe this guy's mom got 31 mpg once and mentioned it, so that's what he remembers.

These pictures are from Tuesday actually. She has been driving a lot more in the city so her MPG has gone down since she had her last oil change.

I took this when we were about to leave for dinner.


Her drive home from my place was ~10mi city, ~30 mi highway and she sent this picture to me when she got home.



I have no proof of her gas mileage otherwise. She has mentioned on several occasions between oil changes her average is between 30-32 ish. So either her computer is WAY more off than my BRZ and Forester.. Or she is getting pretty good gas mileage regularly.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:58 PM   #68
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When there's multiple people telling you you're an idiot, you're probably the idiot.

I had a Mustang before my current car, you sound just as obtuse and ignorant as the Cobra owners that tried to claim "they weren't driving a Mustang because it's called a Cobra".

You drive up a tarted up econobox, it's not a Ferrari or even a sports car, sorry.
You have no idea how car classification works. Who else? lol
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https://www.subaru.com/vehicles/wrx/models-specs.html

Please go to engine. Scroll down to fuel and tell me what it says
They say the same thing. (At most, the manual is just more discouraging of using 87.)

The manual, which I quoted:
"Use unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 91 AKI (95 RON) or higher. If 91 AKI (95 RON) fuel is not readily available, unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 87 AKI (90 RON) may be temporarily used."

The model specs, which you linked to:
"Fuel requirement: Regular unleaded gasoline (87 octane)
Regular unleaded gasoline (87 octane) required. 91 octane recommended."
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Usually, this means knock sensors+engine management will do things that reduce power. For around town you won't notice much difference; but, it will make a difference at the track on on your favorite on-ramp.
We had a Nissan with a 3.5L V6 rated for regular and high-test. The peak power difference was four horsepower.
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:15 AM   #71
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We had a Nissan with a 3.5L V6 rated for regular and high-test. The peak power difference was four horsepower.
That is not usually the case for turbocharged cars. It is amazing what ****ty fuel and decent fuel does in terms of hp (91 vs 93 even)
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:42 AM   #72
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My 04 wrx gets 29mpg on the highway. I would hope that the new 2.0l is better on gas than the old 2.0l
Stock? If not, your stats don't matter. You can't compare stock vs modded for mpg. Especially because there are plenty of stage 1/2 cars that do better than stock.
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Old 04-04-2014, 09:47 AM   #73
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One of the positives about direct injection is that it can take lower octane with less knock values. It's also why the new Mustang turbo 4-banger is rated for 87 octane.

That being said, I would still find myself using premium at all times in the new WRX... Just in case.
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:19 AM   #74
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It would be awesome if the idiots in the room could shut the **** up about off topic bs.

Thank you darksc00by for posting relevant info.

My '12 Imp computer is off by 1-3 mpg optimistic and my fuelly says I'm at 27mpg lifetime. I'm really curious about real world results for the 15 WRX. I'll be supremely impressed if it can actually average only a couple mpgs less than what my 2.0/cvt combo gets.

'15 WRX owners, please post some tank calcs!
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:24 AM   #75
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These pictures are from Tuesday actually. She has been driving a lot more in the city so her MPG has gone down since she had her last oil change.

I took this when we were about to leave for dinner.


Her drive home from my place was ~10mi city, ~30 mi highway and she sent this picture to me when she got home.



I have no proof of her gas mileage otherwise. She has mentioned on several occasions between oil changes her average is between 30-32 ish. So either her computer is WAY more off than my BRZ and Forester.. Or she is getting pretty good gas mileage regularly.
That's pretty awesome Is it really flat where you are? I'm in a really hilly area so I know that makes mine lower... not to mention I drive it pretty spiritedly
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