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Old 04-23-2014, 04:36 PM   #51
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It will probably come over stateside in some version of the A3.

It's probably insane to think they will turn a profit if this car is anything over low $40's. Who will buy it? That doesn't mean that they won't do it though (insert link to Phaeton).
Given that the S3 sedan is supposed to be coming soon(tm), I don't think this being the RS3 would be much of a stretch. They've already started to bring a few RS models over (RS7, TT-RS) whereas before we wouldn't get anything above the S cars.
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:40 PM   #52
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maybe if it wasn't a vw...
Here we go again. While I'll agree that the mJoeity of vw feel like garbage and generally cheap, the gti / r and toureg are completely different. Everything feels of quality, the ride is awesome, seats are great, quiet, and an amazing factory sound system. The majority of those using the it's a vw comment, would more than likely be applauding this car if it had an Audi badge.

If they can find a way to price this car at $40k-$45k, I think it would do extremely well. There are people paying over $40k for a damn sti. Sure the sti has more potential as a track car, but for a daily driven car, the sti wouldn't hold a candle against this car
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Old 04-23-2014, 09:58 PM   #53
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The current STI would not hold a candle to the Mark VI Golf R as far as being a daily driver.
Much less the much improved Mark VII
But they did close the gap a little
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maybe if it wasn't a vw...
I could care less. Mt TDi hasn't failed me yet in over two years despite Subaru forum interwebz lore
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Old 04-24-2014, 02:11 PM   #55
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Here we go again. While I'll agree that the mJoeity of vw feel like garbage and generally cheap, the gti / r and toureg are completely different. Everything feels of quality, the ride is awesome, seats are great, quiet, and an amazing factory sound system. The majority of those using the it's a vw comment, would more than likely be applauding this car if it had an Audi badge.

If they can find a way to price this car at $40k-$45k, I think it would do extremely well. There are people paying over $40k for a damn sti. Sure the sti has more potential as a track car, but for a daily driven car, the sti wouldn't hold a candle against this car
I hear what youre saying. but brand image means a lot in the auto world. There is a reason that companies break out the premium brands.

An Audi is supposed to convey luxury, sportiness and high quality. A VW is probably supposed to convey sportiness sometimes, but mostly value.
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Old 04-24-2014, 05:06 PM   #56
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I'm paying attention to this... I got to drive a 2013 GTI this past winter. Very, very nice. Not a fan of FWD, but a Golf R that looks like this would be the ticket!
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Old 04-24-2014, 09:54 PM   #57
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I hear what youre saying. but brand image means a lot in the auto world. There is a reason that companies break out the premium brands.

An Audi is supposed to convey luxury, sportiness and high quality. A VW is probably supposed to convey sportiness sometimes, but mostly value.
I wont disagree that premium brands are able to charge a premium price. However, look at the MSRP (before mark up) for a fully loaded STI. Its $41k. Figure dealer markup and you're around $45k and people are willing to pay for it. Ive hear plenty of people say they paid over $40k for an STI or Evo.

Now, if VW can get this car around $45k, it would sell extremely well. 100hp over the STI and EVO, far better seats (assuming it would get the seats pictured), better ride quality, quieter, better sound system, etc etc.

Since I know someone will bring up the issue and valid argument that the STI and EVO make a better track vehicle, we should disregard it. The overwhelming majority of those that purchase an STI or EVO, never take it to the track.

For $45k (again, assuming it can be priced at that), you're getting a extremely fun, 400hp car with a warranty and AWD system.

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I'm paying attention to this... I got to drive a 2013 GTI this past winter. Very, very nice. Not a fan of FWD, but a Golf R that looks like this would be the ticket!
I always talked down about the GTI. The MKV didnt impress me, but once I test drove my MKVI, I was sold. For a daily driver, its extremely fun and does great in the snow with snow tires, I cant complain. The things I do miss about a RWD or AWD car, is the ability to go dorifto and play around in the snow.
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:31 AM   #58
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I really want to test drive a Mk7 (whatever the new one is) GTI or Golf R. Especially a GTI with the performance pack that has the LSD.
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:35 PM   #59
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I would say drive both, if you can. Obviously start with the gti then drive the R
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Old 04-25-2014, 05:19 PM   #60
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I put summer tires on my Golf MKVI TDI and took a spirited drive thru San Diego's east county country roads. Wow, just wow...low-torque with near perfect traction pulled that car out of 1st-2nd gear turns like it wasn't even being pushed hard.

I sometimes wish I'd gotten the GTI or Golf R, but with the amount of miles I drive, the diesel made the most sense. But we'll never see an AWD Golf TDI.
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Old 04-25-2014, 06:20 PM   #61
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Doesn't look like we will be getting the gtd either.
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For the people saying this wont happen. Did I moss something because the 2 articles I read said it was confirmed that it was going into production. I do believe it will be around $45-50k which I feel who would buy a vw for $50k. But then again if it's that much more powerful than a sti which is something it seems most sti owners are concerned about. Then why not. It seems somewhat worth the price. I personally would never buy it for that price let alone $40k. I'll give it the despect it deserves and would probably enjoy the hell out of driving one but will never buy one.
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Old 04-26-2014, 04:01 PM   #63
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None of the articles have said that it was coming to the US, which is what most people are talking about when they say it won't happen.
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Going into production and coming state side are two separate things.

Everyone has their own view on what something is worth to them. I think it would do decently in the states. I'm not sure they could price it at 50k though. At that point you have people considering a cpo m3 or similar. $40-$45k tops is what I feel this car is worth.

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Going into production and coming state side are two separate things.

Everyone has their own view on what something is worth to them. I think it would do decently in the states. I'm not sure they could price it at 50k though. At that point you have people considering a cpo m3 or similar. $40-$45k tops is what I feel this car is worth.
50k sticker price that would also see dealer mark up = people shopping for a base Corvette instead. On top of that, I'm not sure they could get this thing to pass CA emissions @ 400hp either. I see this as more along the lines of the STI Cosworth and Evo FQ400. Euro only.
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50k sticker price that would also see dealer mark up = people shopping for a base Corvette instead. On top of that, I'm not sure they could get this thing to pass CA emissions @ 400hp either. I see this as more along the lines of the STI Cosworth and Evo FQ400. Euro only.
Didn't think of emissions. We will probably only see the R.
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Isn't there supposed to be a Golf RS slightly above a Golf R?

Of course VW says a lot of things will come to the States...
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Isn't there supposed to be a Golf RS slightly above a Golf R?

Of course VW says a lot of things will come to the States...
There was report / rumor that a Golf RS would be coming with the R 400 above that.

I'm really excited about the new R and will hopefully get to test drive one once they are released. If VW could make an in between level of the R and R400 I would be extremely interested. Give the R some factory aero pieces, 40hp increase and better seats and I think people would shell out another $5k.

As previously stated, they have to make sure they don't eat into the Audi market. If the price and value gets relatively close to a similiar audi product, expect audi prices to go up. Then people will start questioning if the Audi is worth it.
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There was report / rumor that a Golf RS would be coming with the R 400 above that.

I'm really excited about the new R and will hopefully get to test drive one once they are released. If VW could make an in between level of the R and R400 I would be extremely interested. Give the R some factory aero pieces, 40hp increase and better seats and I think people would shell out another $5k.

As previously stated, they have to make sure they don't eat into the Audi market. If the price and value gets relatively close to a similiar audi product, expect audi prices to go up. Then people will start questioning if the Audi is worth it.
I agree with the Audi part. This is especially dicey now because the S3 is coming. Previously the lowest S model (that didn't suck) was the S4, and that's ~$48k to start. Now the S3 is around $40k? to start, and the Golf R is creeping up on that.
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I think this is why the S3 will be sedan only.

Want the hatch, get the VW. Want the 4 door buy the audi.
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Sexy, is a four door asking for too much?
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I think this is why the S3 will be sedan only.

Want the hatch, get the VW. Want the 4 door buy the audi.
And it's pretty disappointing. My girlfriend and I were really considering getting an A3/S3 Sportback since we could use the utility aspect of AWD and a wagon bodystyle (as we go snowboarding a lot), but neither of us really wants a VW. Also, she can't drive stick (and I'm not sure if I'd ever trust her in one), so the current Golf R isn't an option.
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You needn't look little further than the humble Volkswagen Golf as to how far performance cars have come in recent years. Back in 1975, the most powerful Golf you could buy was the 108-horsepower GTI. By 1998, 33 years later, the Mk4 GTI had crept to just 150 horses. Fast forward another sixteen years though, and Volkswagen is contemplating a road-going Golf with over 400 horsepower.

Volkswagen had already confirmed plans to put its 395-hp Golf R 400 concept into production, following its auto show debut in Beijing last month. But speaking at the Vienna Motor Symposium in Austria last week, Volkswagen’s development chief Heinz-Jakob Neusser has suggested (via Car and Driver) that the model, based on the 290-horsepower 2015 Golf R, may end up making more than 400 horsepower.

From a 2.0-liter engine, that would comfortably give it the highest specific output of any production 2.0-liter car, and make Mercedes-Benz's 355-horse A45 AMG (and the CLA45 AMG sedan sold in the U.S.) look... well, a little weak. The R 400 concept also boasted a torque output of 332 pound-feet (identical to the Mercedes--engine capacity is presumably a limiting factor here) and a 3.9-second 0-62 mph sprint. Top speed is limited (limited!) to 174 mph--though as Car and Driver points out, these numbers may now be pessimistic should the suggested 400-plus horsepower output come to fruition.

No price figure has yet been suggested, but the re-worked bodywork, heavily modified engine, revised chassis and carbon fiber weight-saving components are unlikely to come cheap. Still, if there's one thing that seems to climb at the same rate as a Golf's power output, it's the Golf's sticker price...
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And it's pretty disappointing. My girlfriend and I were really considering getting an A3/S3 Sportback since we could use the utility aspect of AWD and a wagon bodystyle (as we go snowboarding a lot), but neither of us really wants a VW. Also, she can't drive stick (and I'm not sure if I'd ever trust her in one), so the current Golf R isn't an option.
Teach her. It will improve the rest if her driving too.

Especially if youre serious about her. Way cooler making car decisions with a so who likes and drives stick. Way cooler.
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The only car with a manual transmission that we have readily available is my Evo... I don't feel like sacrificing that clutch or risking her wrapping the car around a pole. Keeping her with an automatic is probably saving lives.
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