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Old 04-21-2014, 03:23 PM   #26
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The new car isn't beautiful but there is nothing blatantly offensive about it...like clear tail lights
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:23 PM   #27
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the looks are subjective.
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the new one love it or hate it at least looks modern.
Anyone else see the issue here?
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:25 PM   #28
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Anyone else see the issue here?
yeah well just trying to throw it a bone there
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:36 PM   #29
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the 2.0 feels like a larger engine than the 2.5 due to the power delivery

the 2.5 did breathe better up top seemingly, but that was a turbo size issue, not a displacement issue.

As far as splitting performance hairs goes, the handling is great but what really sold me on the 15 is the quality feel of it vs the 11. Much more solid, less creaky(granted new vs 3 years old but still on the GR you can hear every piece of the car creaking around when you hit a bump.) Its a much more planted and relaxing highway cruiser too, this car makes me want to maintain 80-90 all the time, the other car felt stable at those speeds but it didn't feel nearly as at home in giant speeding ticket territory.

The seats in the 15 are more supportive so probably less comfortable for people wider individuals.

really just test drive both and you will have your answer very quickly
I've had my GR for 3 and a half years and driven almost 60k miles, 50 of those at stage II. I have no creaks besides the one the hatch cover made so I removed it since I never leave anything back there and that was in the first 1000 miles of ownership.

This post is so subjective. Saw and rode in a 15. Was asked if I wanted to drive it and I politely declined. Made no matter to me.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:55 PM   #30
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I've had my GR for 3 and a half years and driven almost 60k miles, 50 of those at stage II. I have no creaks besides the one the hatch cover made so I removed it since I never leave anything back there and that was in the first 1000 miles of ownership.

This post is so subjective. Saw and rode in a 15. Was asked if I wanted to drive it and I politely declined. Made no matter to me.
Cool!

And I had a 2011 WRX modded to all hell where I had to remove the infamous white boxes from the front door panels, put pieces of foam in about 10+ spots to stop the rattling.

Its too bad you didn't drive one, now your opinion is just on guesses at this juncture of all junctures
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Old 04-21-2014, 05:47 PM   #31
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Yeah neither my 2011 and my 2014 STi have any noises. I don't understand it
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:11 PM   #32
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The 2015 is a better car in every way EXCEPT (for me) those looks. The thing just doesn't look like a WRX anymore and the widebody look is no longer present. That's the ONLY thing hold me back. Most all of the ills in the prior gen WRX can be easily addressed, specifically springs/shocks/swaybars.

While driving last night I pulled up next to a black 2015 WRX which I pointed out to the wife. Without prompting my wife said, "Looks like a Camry with a scoop". I'd say it looks a bit more like a Civic with a scoop, but yeah, her point was it's a bit vanilla and mainstream looking now. Many prefer that and want something that somewhat blends in.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:13 PM   #33
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Yeah neither my 2011 and my 2014 STi have any noises. I don't understand it
Move to a climate that experiences sub 50 dgree temps and you'll see what we're talking about In the spring/summer, the 2012 is tight and rattle free. I've done a rattle exorcism and my 2012 no longer rattles in the colder temps.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:14 PM   #34
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Yeah neither my 2011 and my 2014 STi have any noises. I don't understand it
search on the forum for 2011+ rattles, pretty sure there was 20 page thread about it and on clubwrx as well.

edit: Civic with a hood scoop? LMAO I have to bite my lip at stuff like this, jesus
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:37 PM   #35
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The 2015 may feel faster but all magazine tests so far point out that the 15 is slower. The 15 may be more refined but the lack of improved performance 0-60/1/4 mile is a turn off. I think the looks will grow on people and it looks like the new look with most manufacturers is the "vanilla" look.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:59 PM   #36
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Forget the hatch thing for a second.

The 2015 wrx handles better, has a more advanced engine, and has a brand new, re-designed body.

Still, it's missing something and everyone who is a true WRX fan knows that (though many are dishonest with themselves and are afraid to admit it).

The outgoing wrx design is patently offensive and makes a bold statement, whether that is good or bad... It causes controversy.

The new design is not offensive but it will never be coveted in wrx trim. However, the new sti sits on its own merits: manual-only, brembos, vlsd, dccd... All things that have made the sti a legend for years. So, even if the sti's looks are just okay, it wont hurt it one bit.

The wrx, however, is not in that category and the addition of a CVT makes it even less connected to its race car roots. Its looks, while okay and unoffensive, are neither old school badass nor new age design (a la audi, or even the wrx concept). IMO, when a proper redesigned wrx comes out in a few years these new '15 s will be forgotten and unwanted on the used car lots, even though they are good cars.
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Cool!

And I had a 2011 WRX modded to all hell where I had to remove the infamous white boxes from the front door panels, put pieces of foam in about 10+ spots to stop the rattling.

Its too bad you didn't drive one, now your opinion is just on guesses at this juncture of all junctures
Riding in it what enough to tell me that the differences in performance completely negated how ugly it is. Kinda like when I was 18 years old and I rode in an Evo and knew it was a justifiable dream car and I ended up purchasing one 3 years later (unseen OR driven because I was in Iraq) having NEVER driven one. Sometimes you just know what'cha know, ya know?

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The 2015 is a better car in every way EXCEPT (for me) those looks. The thing just doesn't look like a WRX anymore and the widebody look is no longer present. That's the ONLY thing hold me back. Most all of the ills in the prior gen WRX can be easily addressed, specifically springs/shocks/swaybars.



While driving last night I pulled up next to a black 2015 WRX which I pointed out to the wife. Without prompting my wife said, "Looks like a Camry with a scoop". I'd say it looks a bit more like a Civic with a scoop, but yeah, her point was it's a bit vanilla and mainstream looking now. Many prefer that and want something that somewhat blends in.
QFT. See especially the highlights.


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Move to a climate that experiences sub 50 dgree temps and you'll see what we're talking about In the spring/summer, the 2012 is tight and rattle free. I've done a rattle exorcism and my 2012 no longer rattles in the colder temps.
From New England, lived there for 18+ months with that car. Not a single rattle all winter...Washington doesn't get much warmer in the winter...

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search on the forum for 2011+ rattles, pretty sure there was 20 page thread about it and on clubwrx as well.



edit: Civic with a hood scoop? LMAO I have to bite my lip at stuff like this, jesus
Bite your lip, why, because you own the generation we're talking about and it offends you? Clearly we're all a bit biased here but given that I'm trading my WRX for a BRZ instead of an STi as originally planned and my wife is trading her WRX for a GR STi OR *gasp* something NOT a Subaru, I'm really not all that biased. I was IN the market for a new WRX or preferably STi. Subaru blew it by releasing a Camry-esq boring looking and frankly from some angles UGLY car. I can not and will not drive a car I find ugly. Especially sinces there's no redeaming angles. I walked around that damn car 4 times trying to find a good angle, picturing wheels on it, lips, accents. Nothing made it work. The headlights and tail lights are the biggest parts of it but the whole car itself gives off this utterly boring vibe. Don't care if it was as light as a BRZ and had potential to blow away Evos for half the money, wouldn't spend my money on it or park it in my driveway.

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Forget the hatch thing for a second.



The 2015 wrx handles better, has a more advanced engine, and has a brand new, re-designed body.



Still, it's missing something and everyone who is a true WRX fan knows that (though many are dishonest with themselves and are afraid to admit it).



The outgoing wrx design is patently offensive and makes a bold statement, whether that is good or bad... It causes controversy.



The new design is not offensive but it will never be coveted in wrx trim. However, the new sti sits on its own merits: manual-only, brembos, vlsd, dccd... All things that have made the sti a legend for years. So, even if the sti's looks are just okay, it wont hurt it one bit.



The wrx, however, is not in that category and the addition of a CVT makes it even less connected to its race car roots. Its looks, while okay and unoffensive, are neither old school badass nor new age design (a la audi, or even the wrx concept). IMO, when a proper redesigned wrx comes out in a few years these new '15 s will be forgotten and unwanted on the used car lots, even though they are good cars.
This, also, has been quoted for truth. Especially the end.

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Old 04-21-2014, 07:22 PM   #38
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Forget the hatch thing for a second.

The 2015 wrx handles better, has a more advanced engine, and has a brand new, re-designed body.

Still, it's missing something and everyone who is a true WRX fan knows that (though many are dishonest with themselves and are afraid to admit it).

The outgoing wrx design is patently offensive and makes a bold statement, whether that is good or bad... It causes controversy.

The new design is not offensive but it will never be coveted in wrx trim. However, the new sti sits on its own merits: manual-only, brembos, vlsd, dccd... All things that have made the sti a legend for years. So, even if the sti's looks are just okay, it wont hurt it one bit.

The wrx, however, is not in that category and the addition of a CVT makes it even less connected to its race car roots. Its looks, while okay and unoffensive, are neither old school badass nor new age design (a la audi, or even the wrx concept). IMO, when a proper redesigned wrx comes out in a few years these new '15 s will be forgotten and unwanted on the used car lots, even though they are good cars.
just the fact that you bring up the existence of the CVT as a negative shows how misguided you are. All WRX's had available automatic transmissions until 2009. 09-10 had a turbo impreza GT that only game auto. The only years the WRX really didn't come in auto were 11-14. The STI was availble in 5 speed auto in other parts of the world.

Subaru is taking off as a brand, making the WRX less polarizing and adding an automatic option is not going to hurt sales.

Also the hatch is only useful if you are carrying something tall, for 95% of the stuff you move around in a car the trunk offers more space.
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Old 04-21-2014, 07:30 PM   #39
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I recently sold my 05, and have the cash to go in on a new car. After lots of searching, we've sourced a couple of '14 sedans. I know essentially how they drive and feel, my buddy has a '14 Wagon. Haven't had an opportunity to drive a '15 yet. No dealerships in my area have any. It appears that the 2015 is essentially a different car, with the 2 liter, 6 speed, twin scroll turbo.

The cars are essentially the same price for me, so I'm just wondering if new is always better. has anyone driven both and can compare them for me?
Get the 15 it has direct injection.

Honestly though I wouldn't get either and get a second year 2016 WRX or see what comes out with regards to the STi because they have to be working on a DI engine for that platform as well.
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While driving last night I pulled up next to a black 2015 WRX which I pointed out to the wife. Without prompting my wife said, "Looks like a Camry with a scoop". I'd say it looks a bit more like a Civic with a scoop, but yeah, her point was it's a bit vanilla and mainstream looking now. Many prefer that and want something that somewhat blends in.
I canít agree with this enough.

I owned an 8th gen Civic so after having looked at one every day for over three years, I see a definite resemblance between it and the í15 Impreza Ė especially in the profile, the C pillar, and the rear end. If I were making a purchasing decision now, Iíd go for the í14 without a secondís hesitation. Iíd want the hatch, the new one isnít superior from a performance perspective and subjectively, I just donít like the way it looks. To get rid of a later year GR, say 2011+, for one of these just seems like a lateral move.
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Old 04-21-2014, 07:41 PM   #41
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just the fact that you bring up the existence of the CVT as a negative shows how misguided you are. All WRX's had available automatic transmissions until 2009. 09-10 had a turbo impreza GT that only game auto. The only years the WRX really didn't come in auto were 11-14. The STI was availble in 5 speed auto in other parts of the world.


Lol, ok.

You've obviously never driven one of those autos, the miserable little 4EAT Subaru put in them completely ruined the fun factor of the car. Unless you enjoy ridiculous amounts of turbo lag along with every other drawback to an auto.
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just the fact that you bring up the existence of the CVT as a negative shows how misguided you are.
Youre missing the point, my rude little internet acquaintance. The 2011+ wrx came in manual only trim, just like the sti. This effectively elevated it closer to sti status. Now, with the addition of the cvt, the wrx has been lowered closer to 2.5gt level...
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No no no and no
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Lol, ok.

You've obviously never driven one of those autos, the miserable little 4EAT Subaru put in them completely ruined the fun factor of the car. Unless you enjoy ridiculous amounts of turbo lag along with every other drawback to an auto.

Who cares if the auto exists, you don't have to buy it.

The 4eat could handle more power than the 5mt lol


I don't enjoy turbo lag, that's why I got rid of my 2011
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Bite your lip, why, because you own the generation we're talking about and it offends you? Clearly we're all a bit biased here but given that I'm trading my WRX for a BRZ instead of an STi as originally planned and my wife is trading her WRX for a GR STi OR *gasp* something NOT a Subaru, I'm really not all that biased. I was IN the market for a new WRX or preferably STi. Subaru blew it by releasing a Camry-esq boring looking and frankly from some angles UGLY car. I can not and will not drive a car I find ugly. Especially sinces there's no redeaming angles. I walked around that damn car 4 times trying to find a good angle, picturing wheels on it, lips, accents. Nothing made it work. The headlights and tail lights are the biggest parts of it but the whole car itself gives off this utterly boring vibe. Don't care if it was as light as a BRZ and had potential to blow away Evos for half the money, wouldn't spend my money on it or park it in my driveway.



I find it sad that the only quality you seem to find redeeming in a car is they way it looks on the outside.

As for rattles, yep my 14 WRX rattled and creaked all winter, but so did our Honda. When it hits -30 to -50 it is hard to blame the car.
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Youre missing the point, my rude little internet acquaintance. The 2011+ wrx came in manual only trim, just like the sti. This effectively elevated it closer to sti status. Now, with the addition of the cvt, the wrx has been lowered closer to 2.5gt level...
I don't really see the problem with Subaru offering an automatic. The whole industry is shifting in that direction and as long as they keep offering the WRX in a manual (and an improved one at that in the 2015 model) then I am happy.
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:26 PM   #47
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i like that the 15' is 5x114...

wish i could throw sti rims on my 11'
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Old 04-22-2014, 01:02 AM   #49
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The 2015 model does have a wider body then the base impreza, the only exterior bits, the 15 wrx shares with the current base Impreza is the roof line. The entire body sheet metal, hood, front and rear bumpers, front and rear lights are all different. Subaru just happen blend the wider body more then the previous 11-14 years (I.E. the 15 wrx rear tail lights is widen to fit the wider body).

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Finally, I'm a bit leery that this will be the 2008 WRX all over again. The car would look much nicer with more exaggerated flares, widebody, whatever that the 2011 got. If so, when the 2018 or whatever comes out and looks like a sweet facelift, you might be kinda pissed.

Overall, I'm definitely happy with my purchase, but I think my situation is a bit different than most on here.

My $0.02.

P.S. I know WRX is not a practical DD car for fuel economy, maintenance costs, etc. But I love the car, this being my 4th Impreza/WRX/STI, I prefer stick with the WRX. No matter what year, they're fun cars.
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OP I would just go with the 2015. Overall it's the better car. I do think the 11-14 WRX had the better exterior and stood out a lot more but if I were in your position I couldn't justify missing out on all the new/updated features just because I thought the previous gen looked better. I love my '13 but if I could have waited for the 2015 I would have.
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