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Old 04-27-2014, 04:20 PM   #1
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Default rumor: new entry level Porsche called 718

smaller, less weight and cheaper than the Boxster

- 1190 kg
- 2 ltr four cylinder Boxer engine with 286 hp and 400 Nm
- option 2.5 ltr four cylinder Boxer engine with 360 hp and 470 Nm

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Old 04-27-2014, 04:39 PM   #2
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Could be interesting to me. I'd prefer a real windshield and a folding soft top.
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Old 04-27-2014, 04:45 PM   #3
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The Cayman and Boxter are about $52,000. It would be awesome if this was $10,000 less than those.
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Old 04-27-2014, 08:03 PM   #4
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The Cayman and Boxter are about $52,000. It would be awesome if this was $10,000 less than those.
Will invariably end up at $85K, nicely equipped.
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Old 04-27-2014, 08:08 PM   #5
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Will invariably end up at $85K, nicely equipped.
Maybe they are just going to raise the price of the Boxter
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Old 04-27-2014, 09:44 PM   #6
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This is the VW platform I assume.
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Old 04-27-2014, 10:23 PM   #7
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there is no VW platform with a layout for a middle engine
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:53 PM   #8
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Old 04-28-2014, 01:12 AM   #9
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4cyl 2.5 boxer engine 360 hp...attention gained.
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Old 04-28-2014, 07:17 AM   #10
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4cyl 2.5 boxer engine 360 hp...attention gained.
Considering a Boxster GTS starts at $74K (for 330 hp), a 718 with this engine will likely cost you >$60K. Likely a lot more.

"Entry level" is all relative.
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:05 AM   #11
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well, there may be some sort of platform, but I canīt see it used in mass production
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:08 AM   #12
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4cyl 2.5 boxer engine 360 hp...attention gained.
FA25dit? lol.

scraps the brz. builds mid engine car with porsche. lol
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This is interesting news..

Porsche Cayman starts at $53,500 now.

Engine is a 275hp variety. I would expect this car to be around $40-45K and have around 250hp.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:20 AM   #14
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4cyl 2.5 boxer engine 360 hp...attention gained.
Yeah, there is no chance of that. The Cayman S starts at $65K and has 325hp.

Expect about 100 less hp. Less than the current STI would be my guess.
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:18 PM   #15
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a 1200kg ~300 hp mid engine Porsche will be fantastic

a 350+ hp version might end up being the best car in the Porsche lineup

I wouldn't expect either to be priced in the 40's however.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:00 PM   #16
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It'll be 200hp, $39,995 and have a raised ride height for the USA to classify it as a light truck.
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This is interesting news..

Porsche Cayman starts at $53,500 now.

Engine is a 275hp variety. I would expect this car to be around $40-45K and have around 250hp.
My focus has 250hp. For 40-45k, they could easily bump that to 300.

With technology the way it is these day, gaining hp isn't exactly difficult or expensive for either the manufacturer or the customer.
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It'll be 200hp, $39,995 and have a raised ride height for the USA to classify it as a light truck.
Make mine yellow, keep the midship and weight just above 2k, and take my 40 monies.
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My focus has 250hp. For 40-45k, they could easily bump that to 300.

With technology the way it is these day, gaining hp isn't exactly difficult or expensive for either the manufacturer or the customer.
More about stepping on the toes of your more expensive offerings.
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More about stepping on the toes of your more expensive offerings.
they should stop being lazy and bump up the power of their other offerings
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they should stop being lazy and bump up the power of their other offerings
See, that's where it gets tough, and creates an issue you see across the board (BMW, etc.).

Their other offerings are N/A. Relatively speaking, it's not easy/cheap to give them big power bumps...especially in view of tightening emissions/economy standards.

If you make the motor in the lower model potent, even if it's just in the aftermarket, you run the risk of putting pressure on the hihger end models to move toward forced induction.

And that is why we can't have nice things. All the snappy, liner N/A motors will be gone...driven out by smaller turbo units with meatier torque curves.
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My focus has 250hp. For 40-45k, they could easily bump that to 300.

With technology the way it is these day, gaining hp isn't exactly difficult or expensive for either the manufacturer or the customer.
adding lightness is much more difficult. couple hundred lbs lighter than a brz, 50hp more (and more torque too) and it's the mid engined version of what the brz should have been.
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adding lightness is much more difficult. couple hundred lbs lighter than a brz, 50hp more (and more torque too) and it's the mid engined version of what the brz should have been.
Exactly.
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Porsche fans who fondly recall the marque's first mid-engine sports car, the 914 (1969 - 1976), will be glad to know the German automaker will soon have a mid-engine sports car powered by a horizontally-opposed ‘boxer’ engine once again. Porsche CEO Matthias Mueller recently confirmed the automaker was working on a new four-cylinder boxer engine to power its next generation of sports cars, starting with the next Boxster and Cayman due towards the end of the decade, and now we have a few more details on the engine, including displacement and power figures.

According to CAR, Porsche has developed three versions of the engine, displacing 1.6, 2.0 and 2.5 liters respectively. The 1.6-liter is said to deliver 210 horsepower while the 2.0-liter is said to be good for 286 horsepower and 295 pound-feet of torque. The 2.5-liter should muster up 360 hp and 347 lb-ft of torque, according to the report. To achieve these figures, the engines are said to feature turbocharging and direct-injection technologies.

While all three engines have been designed, only the 2.0- and 2.5-liter units are expected to be utilized by Porsche. The 1.6-liter mill is said to have been designed for the entry-level roadster Porsche was considering launching, but has since canceled.

Look for the larger units to first appear in the next Boxster and Cayman. We could also see the engines used in Porsche’s SUVs like the Macan and Cayenne, possibly integrated with hybrid technology. Eventually, we’re likely to see the engine fitted to the 911, especially if Porsche achieves success with its four-cylinder (V-4) 919 Hybrid LMP1 race car. Note, Porsche already has a four-cylinder model in its lineup, the Macan, but the engine in this model is a straight-four design borrowed from Audi.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...ersion-planned
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Old 06-03-2014, 08:43 AM   #25
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Not sure How this is really going to work.
A cheaper slower boxster will just come off as bad value for the money. Even if it starts at 39999, it will be just as slow as a miata, and not as well equipped. You can solve the equipped part for another 12000 dollars I am sure, but then you will just be up to the level of the well equipped miata. For some reason, Germans think things like heated seats, leather interior, a decent stereo all should cost about 2000 dollars each. God forbid you want navigation. Basically all the options that are on a well equipped honda, VW or toyota or even kia, they feel compelled to charge you out the wazoo for.

So there may be a cheaper boxster, but at 40 large, it will be horrible value for the money.

Just like a base CLA, or a base 320, or a base A4. Aside from the badge, they just do not give you much for your dollar.
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