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Old 06-03-2014, 12:47 PM   #26
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1.6, 2.0, 2.5 DIT boxer 4's? Anybody else scratching their heads over the obvious coincidences?
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Old 06-03-2014, 12:49 PM   #27
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1.6, 2.0, 2.5 DIT boxer 4's? Anybody else scratching their heads over the obvious coincidences?
I noticed this too.
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Old 06-03-2014, 01:09 PM   #28
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If it turns out they are using subaru engines or parts suppliers, the price better reflect it and they better be ready for warranty work
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Old 06-03-2014, 02:35 PM   #29
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1.6, 2.0, 2.5 DIT boxer 4's? Anybody else scratching their heads over the obvious coincidences?
I pointed that out in one of the other Porsche threads. It screams Subaru partnership. This would not be the first time either, IIRC Porsche lent a hand on the EZ series at some point (heads maybe?) as well as the Blitzen models.
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Old 06-03-2014, 02:56 PM   #30
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Not sure How this is really going to work.
A cheaper slower boxster will just come off as bad value for the money. Even if it starts at 39999, it will be just as slow as a miata, and not as well equipped. You can solve the equipped part for another 12000 dollars I am sure, but then you will just be up to the level of the well equipped miata. For some reason, Germans think things like heated seats, leather interior, a decent stereo all should cost about 2000 dollars each. God forbid you want navigation. Basically all the options that are on a well equipped honda, VW or toyota or even kia, they feel compelled to charge you out the wazoo for.

So there may be a cheaper boxster, but at 40 large, it will be horrible value for the money.

Just like a base CLA, or a base 320, or a base A4. Aside from the badge, they just do not give you much for your dollar.
And yet, I see a ton of CLAs, 320s and A4s around here. So it will sell for the badge so long as they keep the lease rate low.

And most of the sports cars I see are also driven slowly by old folks.
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Old 06-03-2014, 03:03 PM   #31
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Porsche fans who fondly recall the marque's first mid-engine sports car, the 914 (1969 - 1976), will be glad to know the German automaker will soon have a mid-engine sports car powered by a horizontally-opposed ‘boxer’ engine once again.
Because the Boxster and Cayman aren't mid-engine boxers?

Also **** everything, I want a 550 Spyder.
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Old 06-03-2014, 03:10 PM   #32
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I pointed that out in one of the other Porsche threads. It screams Subaru partnership. This would not be the first time either, IIRC Porsche lent a hand on the EZ series at some point (heads maybe?) as well as the Blitzen models.
Yeah, but why hasn't the media jumped on it is what I'm wondering. They are reporting this stuff without making a connection to Subaru's newly developed DIT programme. My EZ30 was in the hands is Porsche at some point in the process, sure. There has been partnerships in body and wheel designs, but this is a whole other category of involvement...unless it's just 100% coincidence. Dunno. Weird?
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Old 06-03-2014, 03:16 PM   #33
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I want to see a VW Beetle and van powered by a rear-mounted horizontally opposed 4 cylinder engine again. I don't care about an entry-level Porsche nearly as much.
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Old 06-04-2014, 06:04 PM   #34
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Porsche will never allow VW to make a rear engine bug again. They have the entire world convinced that drivetrain layout is an engineering marvel to be able to make and rear engine instantly means big bucks.
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Old 06-04-2014, 06:22 PM   #35
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I'll take a T2 then. Porsche don't bus. Unless...
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I'll take a T2 then. Porsche don't bus. Unless...
There was that one T3 with a 911T engine in it.......
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I wouldn't mind seeing a big motor in one of these.

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Why do I get a really strong Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky vibe from it?
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Not sure How this is really going to work.
A cheaper slower boxster will just come off as bad value for the money. Even if it starts at 39999, it will be just as slow as a miata, and not as well equipped. You can solve the equipped part for another 12000 dollars I am sure, but then you will just be up to the level of the well equipped miata. For some reason, Germans think things like heated seats, leather interior, a decent stereo all should cost about 2000 dollars each. God forbid you want navigation. Basically all the options that are on a well equipped honda, VW or toyota or even kia, they feel compelled to charge you out the wazoo for.

So there may be a cheaper boxster, but at 40 large, it will be horrible value for the money.

Just like a base CLA, or a base 320, or a base A4. Aside from the badge, they just do not give you much for your dollar.
Well said.

If it's like anything mentioned, it will be purchased solely for the badge.
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Why do I get a really strong Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky vibe from it?
Because it's a roadster?

I like the throwback styling cues, and also surprised by the low doorsills.

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Well said.

If it's like anything mentioned, it will be purchased solely for the badge.
Yes, because Porsche has a well known history of selling sub-par cars.
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Old 06-10-2014, 05:23 PM   #42
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Biggest Fuchs ever?
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Old 06-10-2014, 05:40 PM   #43
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Biggest Fuchs ever?
No Fuchs given!


20" wheels are stupid.
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those are 20's??? they look kinda like 22's and yes I agree.
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Because it's a roadster?

I like the throwback styling cues, and also surprised by the low doorsills.



Yes, because Porsche has a well known history of selling sub-par cars.
Sub par, is a definition that varies per person.

Value for performance is NOT a porsche strong point. A base Boxster is not exactly a car that will set the world a fire. Sub par, no, but we are talking about value for performance.

If the new base convertible Porsche comes with a 225 HP engine and costs 42k dollars, it is hardly a benchmark...this will be a badge whore car, only, lets not kid ourselves.
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Sub par, is a definition that varies per person.

Value for performance is NOT a porsche strong point. A base Boxster is not exactly a car that will set the world a fire. Sub par, no, but we are talking about value for performance.

If the new base convertible Porsche comes with a 225 HP engine and costs 42k dollars, it is hardly a benchmark...this will be a badge whore car, only, lets not kid ourselves.
Let's not fool ourselves, even for a moment, that the price should only be based on performance. Weren't Lotus prices about the same, adjusting for inflation...for much, MUCH less car?

It's no CLA/318 in any way, shape, or form and suggesting that it is or would be without any proof is baseless badge hate.
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Proof is not possible as we are talking about personal values and metrics.

who is to say a lotus was much less car? Depends on the weights of certain metrics applied by the individuals buying them.

A convertible Porsche that slots in below a boxster could very well be a CLA/318 blend of mediocrity and hipster badge snobbery. It all depends on how much you value the P on the badge.
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Proof is not possible as we are talking about personal values and metrics.

who is to say a lotus was much less car? Depends on the weights of certain metrics applied by the individuals buying them.
Anyone that takes using a car as a car into consideration? If you don't have to drive on the street very often, live in a perfect climate and don't care about safety, then a Lotus is a good value. They're one trick ponies.

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A convertible Porsche that slots in below a boxster could very well be a CLA/318 blend of mediocrity and hipster badge snobbery. It all depends on how much you value the P on the badge.
No, it depends on the car, and how far Porsche will dilute the value of the brand, something they haven't done since the '70's. Chances are slim that they'd go as far as BMW and M-B have, especially considering that people said the exact same thing about every non-911 that Porsche has made in the last two decades, only to be proven wrong time and time again.

You also forget that Porsche has consistently produced some of the best made cars available.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:12 PM   #49
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A convertible Porsche that slots in below a boxster could very well be a CLA/318 blend of mediocrity and hipster badge snobbery. It all depends on how much you value the P on the badge.
Would still buy.
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Porsche has a well known history of selling sub-par cars.
Fixed it for you.

Porsches have mediocre reliability and astronomic maintenance and repair costs.

Sub-par car found.

Many times.
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