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Old 04-28-2014, 09:49 PM   #1
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Default GTI / S2000 - buy sell, STI options?

In my 40s married with children and I currently have a 2013 GTI w/DSG so my wife can drive it, a 2013 Odyssey, and a 2002 S2000. I want to get back to doing HPDE w/NASA. Using FWD does not appeal to me, and I would rather not install a Hard Dog 4 point bar on the S2000. I've done approx 10 weekends of HPDEs (Mid-Ohio) in the following cars: A3, MKV GTI, RX8, and 996. The RX8 was probably the most fun, with the 996 being a close second. I sold my 2003 WRX before I got into HPDEs, but that car they way it was set up would have been a blast!

The cheapest route would be to bite the bullet and install the Hard Dog bar and have a blast with the S2000. But I would rather not do the chopping and cutting, plus I don't care for the look of the bar installed. So ideally the S2000 would be a street car only.

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1. sell S2000 and buy a RWD car with a $12k budget, keep GTI. I've regretted selling previous cars and the S2000 is one that I would probably seriously regret.

2. keep S2000 and sell GTI. But, I would need a 4 seat RWD or AWD with a twin clutch tranny - no torque converters! If new, then $25k budget. If used, then I would to stay under $17k. If only the new WRX had a twin clutch tranny. Maybe a 2008 R32, but even though 4motion, still a FWD car platform.

3. sell S2000 and GTI for the upcoming Golf R due in 2015. But again I would probably regret selling the S2000.

4. keep both S2000 and GTI. Get wheels, tires, pads, and fluid for the GTI and run a FWD car at HPDEs. It's not the end of the world for a couple of years, but not ideal.

5. Ideas????

Thanks for your opinions on this topic.
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:10 PM   #2
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I've installed a bolt-in bar in an S2000. Really not a bad job at all, and if you're careful with the interior trimming, can really look just fine. You get used to seeing it in the car to the point that you don't notice it anymore.

I certainly wouldn't sell the S2000 to avoid something as small as a bolt-in bar. That seems silly. Selling it and buying a less fun/capable vehicle to drive at the track makes no sense either. Track days are what the S2k is good at. And you already own it.

Selling the S2k and buying an RX8? Well, that's a possibility.

IMHO, put the bar in. KW V3s, front bar, square 16" 245 RA1s, and the rest of your money for pads and entry fees. That car will entertain anyone for life.

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Old 04-28-2014, 11:27 PM   #3
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Don't sell the S2K. You would regret it.

I have been looking for a clean used one in the Midwest and they are hard to find and expensive. In fact I think the price is increasing, not decreasing.
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Old 04-28-2014, 11:36 PM   #4
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I have owned 2 s2000's and 2 STI's and have loved them all but for a car that I would track regularly I wanted something cheaper. My thought was that I need something fast enough to have fun but cheap enough that if I total it into a wall it won't suck to bad. I have built a 86 Toyota MR2 that was a blast at the track last season with only stock engine. Now that it has a later model 200hp 3SGE engine it should have no problem keeping up with the s2000's and all for $6k with the new engine. Also since it only weighs 2300lbs and uses 15in wheels consumables last a long time and are cheap to replace
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Old 04-29-2014, 12:06 AM   #5
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Keep the s2k and sell the vag and get a used e46 m3 for the track. One of the best platform BMW made with an almost perfect balance chassis. Just ensure you get the subframe reinforced cause mine just started to develop less than a 1/4 inch hairline crack. I guess too much HPDE and canyon runs took its toll and it's inevitable. Other than that, Very fun car to toss around.
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Old 04-29-2014, 12:13 AM   #6
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I'd say option 4 but mod the s2000 instead.
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Old 04-29-2014, 12:37 AM   #7
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i sold an s2000 to have an sti for family convenience. i regretted it and still do. don't sell the s2000 and explore other options! track the s2000. it is an awesome car.
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:00 AM   #8
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Buy a (cheap)miata...track said miata.....get bored with miata power and appreciate s2000 more..
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Old 04-29-2014, 04:28 AM   #9
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HPDE with the van.
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Old 04-29-2014, 08:34 AM   #10
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HPDE with the van.
yesss

Keep S2000, get either used EVO X MR w/SST (budget way blown) or soup up the GTI.

Also consider getting rid of S2000 and GTI for E46 M3 SMG. Should be able to throw some bucks at it. You might not miss the S2K as much with a screamin' s54 engine.
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Old 04-29-2014, 08:44 AM   #11
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The S2000 is a way, way more focused/fun car on the track vs. an E46 M3. Unless you're going to strip down the BMW (too heavier as it stands now), and open up the wallet for the consumables/repair costs on the $20k motor... Great motor, great chassis, but it will be expensive to track, and will never feel as small/nimble/alive as the S2000. It's a double duty car which can hold it's own on the track.

As for being cheap...and S2000 is a VERY cheap car to track. Generic rotors are cheap, pads are cheap, the motor is reliable, tires are small. Very low consumables budget compared to something bigger, heavier and German.

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Old 04-29-2014, 08:55 AM   #12
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If you decide to keep and track the S2K contact the folks at Counterspace Garage. One of the guys there holds several track records (including Streets of Willow Springs) with the S2K and knows the car inside and out and can help you out.
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:06 AM   #13
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Don't sell the S2K, I still regret so much when I sold my 03 with only 10k miles back in 2011.
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:13 AM   #14
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Don't sell the S2K, I still regret so much when I sold my 03 with only 10k miles back in 2011.


Wow, that car might have been a collectors car with that mileage in 10 more years

Whoever bought that car got lucky.
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:15 AM   #15
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Wow, that car might have been a collectors car with that mileage in 10 more years

Whoever bought that car got lucky.
Yes it was a Gem, I only sold it for $16k
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:56 AM   #16
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Yes it was a Gem, I only sold it for $16k
Damn, you must have been in a tight situation. I've seen low mileage s2ks like yours go for 25k+ in my area. My dad just bought an AP2 with 30k last september for 22k. They definitely hold their value and are a ton of fun to drive.

OP, I would keep the s2k like everyone has said. It just makes the most sense out of all your options.
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:13 AM   #17
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You know my vote...




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NASA doesn't require an aftermarket bar for the S2000 in HPDEs since the hoops offer factory-installed roll over protection (not like other cars where there is no such protection).

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/8423...r-requirement/

So, crisis averted, you can play with your S2000 today, as is.

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Old 04-29-2014, 10:19 AM   #18
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NASA doesn't require an aftermarket bar for the S2000 in HPDEs since the hoops offer factory-installed roll over protection (not like other cars where there is no such protection).

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/8423...r-requirement/

So, crisis averted, you can play with your S2000 today, as is.

--kC
But some tracks require it. OP would be well-advised to find out what his local tracks require.

The factory hoops don't extend about your head...that alone would make me want to get the bar, regardless. Cheap piece of mind. Also allows for the use of a decent harness.

Again, it's easy to install, and if you take your time with the interior trim, doesn't look bad at all.
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:20 AM   #19
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Keep all, add Miata.
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:47 AM   #20
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Supercharge that s2000. That'll be the most fun out of all the options.
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:50 AM   #21
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The S2000 is a way, way more focused/fun car on the track vs. an E46 M3. Unless you're going to strip down the BMW (too heavier as it stands now), and open up the wallet for the consumables/repair costs on the $20k motor... Great motor, great chassis, but it will be expensive to track, and will never feel as small/nimble/alive as the S2000. It's a double duty car which can hold it's own on the track.

As for being cheap...and S2000 is a VERY cheap car to track. Generic rotors are cheap, pads are cheap, the motor is reliable, tires are small. Very low consumables budget compared to something bigger, heavier and German.
I guess it's the double duty part that drove my suggestion. But you're right on all points. Not to mention the M3 could get pretty shaky as a daily driver with track duties to fulfill. Having a shaky, costly car 2 of 2 is no fun.
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Old 04-30-2014, 01:35 PM   #22
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This January purchased a 2014 WRX and was driving through the winter while the 01 S2000 sat nestled in the garage. For a few weeks I kept considering selling the s2000. Fast forward to the first decent none salt caked back road blast with the Honda. It stays. Don't sell yours the regret would start a minute later. It a track gem.
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Old 04-30-2014, 04:26 PM   #23
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I have a '15 WRX on order and I've been considering selling my S2000 as well, but I think I've come to the conclusion that I'd really regret selling the S2k in the future. It's finally warming up here and the hard top has come off, so I'm starting to remember how much fun it can be. I would avoid selling yours if I were you. Especially since you already know you'll likely regret it.

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