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Old 04-30-2014, 11:04 AM   #26
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I wouldn't say it is "years ahead" ... The powertrains are identical.
Identical but not the exact same as the 14. There are minor changes and those are the improvements the 14 did not have.

For your interest, the "I" mode, the car drive very subtle, the "S" mode will drive like a 14 STI and the "S#" will drive like a stage 1-2 14 STI. The Exhaust is deeper, more lively, and the interior is ways better. Think about all the improvements the 15 has, if you were to replace them to your 14, they would cost 10k or more w/o labor.

Beside, there are no Noticable under-steer under spirited driving while grinning your face off cutting the corner. It just fly

The only thing the 15 doesn't have, and @ disadvantage vs 14 is the "Hatch".
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Old 04-30-2014, 11:13 AM   #27
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Steering ratio on the 14 is 15.0:1 and 2.8 turns lock to lock.
Steering ratio on the 15 is 13.0:1 and 2.5 turns lock to lock.

I am not sure you can swap out the 14's steering rack for the 15, but clearly the 15 is a much sharper handling car based on the steering ratio alone. Throw in stiffer chassis, stiffer springs, bigger sways, etc. Trying to match the handling of the 15 on 14 is gonna get expensive fast. And you still may not be able to achieve it due to the chasis differences. There is also brake/torque vectoring on the 15 that the 14 won't have. So there are additional features outside of looks that are pretty big changes.
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Old 04-30-2014, 11:17 AM   #28
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Steering ratio on the 14 is 15.0:1 and 2.8 turns lock to lock.
Steering ratio on the 15 is 13.0:1 and 2.5 turns lock to lock.

I am not sure you can swap out the 14's steering rack for the 15, but clearly the 15 is a much sharper handling car based on the steering ratio alone. Throw in stiffer chassis, stiffer springs, bigger sways, etc. Trying to match the handling of the 15 on 14 is gonna get expensive fast. And you still may not be able to achieve it due to the chasis differences. There is also brake/torque vectoring on the 15 that the 14 won't have. So there are additional features outside of looks that are pretty big changes.
Case in Points ! Exactly. There is no comparison from the 15 vs the 14. I understand there would be some Buyer remorse, but just face it. The 15 is a different Beast, and Subaru did not lie in claiming "The best STI Ever Built"

Don't even get me started on the Ride quality. It will amaze you
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Old 04-30-2014, 11:19 AM   #29
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I think it comes down to personal taste and money.

But performance and options wise... the 15 is worth the money period.

That being said I spent a long time at my dealer waiting for some add ons to be installed. The entire time my 13 sti was sitting at the lot.

There was a lot of interest in my car and with the older model having better deals you are still getting an STI at a great price. It's not a "mistake" to get the most car that you can for the dollar IMO.
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Old 04-30-2014, 11:37 AM   #30
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Most smart consumers will not buy the '15, and instead keep their current ride and wait till Subaru updates the 10+ year old engine, which is inevitable. Think about how much of a shmuck you will feel like when the DI motor comes out in 2 years, and you are stuck with Subaru's decoy.
I wouldn't say it would be dumb to buy it. Could the fb version be better? Maybe. Some people like the well known ej series. Easy to deal with and build. New parts will inevitably be more expensive to mod compared to the ej. Some people might not wanna take the risk of the new engine in the first couple years. Me personally I haven't bought one because I believe the fb will be better and more efficient. I'd rather wait personally. I wouldn't say someone is dumb for buying the 15' at all.
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Old 04-30-2014, 11:46 AM   #31
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if you think, the 15 and the 14 would be like thi

A/ 14...A Cookie
B/ 15...A Cookie with Chocolate Chips with Peanut butter chips, and the same dough as the A cookie for the same price.

Which would you like to have ? Personal Preference of course, but the Majority will want the B for sure
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Old 04-30-2014, 11:52 AM   #32
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A lot of people are buying 2014 WRXs and STi models over 2015 models. They will until the dealers can get them all off the lots, someone has to buy them. You made your purchase and hopefully you got a good deal. Just enjoy the car, all you're going to do is create a boat load of buyers remorse by reading into this too much and listening to what some people have to say versus others. I have a 2004 STi...even with all the new gadgets in the newer STi models...it doesn't bother me that mine is old. I am still enjoying my 11 year old car (by build date) that can pretty much keep up with the latest models at the end of the day. Point is...enjoy what you got while you have it. The changes to the STi aren't as significant as people like to make them out to be, but at the same time you can't ignore the improvements either. Subaru did address many concerns that people normally have to go to the aftermarket to address, and they added some gadgetry in there for good measure as normal with modern vehicles...however every time a new model comes out these debates happen and if people didn't automatically get in the "newer is 100% better mindset," manufactures would never sell new cars until peoples older models completely crap out. I'd say purchasing a last generation WRX over the 2015 model would bother me more than buying a last generation STi over the current model. Enjoy your STi!
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Old 04-30-2014, 11:53 AM   #33
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If you want a sedan, the choice is too obvious. If you want a hatch, the choice is equally obvious.
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:08 PM   #34
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A lot of people are buying 2014 WRXs and STi models over 2015 models. They will until the dealers can get them all off the lots, someone has to buy them. You made your purchase and hopefully you got a good deal. Just enjoy the car, all you're going to do is create a boat load of buyers remorse by reading into this too much and listening to what some people have to say versus others. I have a 2004 STi...even with all the new gadgets in the newer STi models...it doesn't bother me that mine is old. I am still enjoying my 11 year old car (by build date) that can pretty much keep up with the latest models at the end of the day. Point is...enjoy what you got while you have it. The changes to the STi aren't as significant as people like to make them out to be, but at the same time you can't ignore the improvements either. Subaru did address many concerns that people normally have to go to the aftermarket to address, and they added some gadgetry in there for good measure as normal with modern vehicles...however every time a new model comes out these debates happen and if people didn't automatically get in the "newer is 100% better mindset," manufactures would never sell new cars until peoples older models completely crap out. I'd say purchasing a last generation WRX over the 2015 model would bother me more than buying a last generation STi over the current model. Enjoy your STi!
Really? People are buying the 2014's over the 2015's? We've sold 5 2015' sti's and 4 2015 wrx's. I'd say that's not bad for only getting the first one a week ago.
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:21 PM   #35
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Really? People are buying the 2014's over the 2015's? We've sold 5 2015' sti's and 4 2015 wrx's. I'd say that's not bad for only getting the first one a week ago.
My dealer here has only 3 new 15. 2 is WRX, 1 is CVT, and another one is the LE, which when I came and pick it up, there was no other WRX on the Lot. There is still a Hatch Plasma Blue Pearl STI 14 however.
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:34 PM   #36
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My dealer here has only 3 new 15. 2 is WRX, 1 is CVT, and another one is the LE, which when I came and pick it up, there was no other WRX on the Lot. There is still a Hatch Plasma Blue Pearl STI 14 however.
We're a large dealer and turn over invitory pretty quickly. We don't have any leftover 2014 wrx's or sti's. I do believe we have a plasma blue wrx that was traded in for a new wrx or Sti though. Brz's aren't moving though. We've sold tons but now have had 11 in stock for a little but now.
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:54 PM   #37
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I actually drove the '15 STI yesterday and - eh. But I think it looks nice and the interior is better. The steering wheel is incredible in feel and design.

But I didn't bite b/c I am a hatch guy and am getting a '14 hatch. And while I do hear rumblings the hatch will come back I believe it will not and they will turbo the XV Crosstrek.

So I got a sweet trade on my ride and got one of the few 5 doors left in the NE.

There is the possibility I will get screwed if a new hatch comes out but the other option is my car will hold incredible value to 5 door guys. Also - '14 is a tried a true bulletproof car and the '15 is year one??????
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:56 PM   #38
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My local dealer has a bunch of used sti's (all 2013-2011) going for all over 30k. I guess people still want the older sti that badly they can mark them up for almost as much as new 2015s. Look up competition subaru if you dont believe me
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Old 04-30-2014, 01:02 PM   #39
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Beside, there are no Noticable under-steer under spirited driving while grinning your face off cutting the corner. It just fly

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Not according to those who've actually tracked the car. Sorry, at the limit, it.certainly understeers.

Not saying thats a big deal...
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Old 04-30-2014, 01:04 PM   #40
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My local dealer has a bunch of used sti's (all 2013-2011) going for all over 30k. I guess people still want the older sti that badly they can mark them up for almost as much as new 2015s. Look up competition subaru if you dont believe me
Dealers always jack up their used car prices. They do this because most people are going to negotiate and feel like they got a good deal, and because, well, some people are just dumb.

Some dealers are funny. When you go to trade in a car and mention KBB or NADA, they will tell you "we don't use those guides", but then the same dealer will advertise KBB used car prices when the sell their car as a guide
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Old 04-30-2014, 01:11 PM   #41
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Really? People are buying the 2014's over the 2015's? We've sold 5 2015' sti's and 4 2015 wrx's. I'd say that's not bad for only getting the first one a week ago.
As with any vehicle, leftover previous model year inventory must be sold...therefore someone is buying the previous model year vehicles if any are left on the lot along side new inventory, even though some people knew the 15 models were coming and read the reviews, it didn't stop them from picking up 14 model year vehicle...you're trying to read between the lines when nothing else is there. I didn't say everyone is buying 14s over 15s...all I am saying is that there are plenty of people in this guys situation and there will be more as long as there are any new 14 model year vehicles on dealer lots.
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Old 04-30-2014, 01:22 PM   #42
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As with any vehicle, leftover previous model year inventory must be sold...therefore someone is buying the previous model year vehicles if any are left on the lot along side new inventory, even though some people knew the 15 models were coming and read the reviews, it didn't stop them from picking up 14 model year vehicle...you're trying to read between the lines when nothing else is there. I didn't say everyone is buying 14s over 15s...all I am saying is that there are plenty of people in this guys situation and there will be more as long as there are any new 14 model year vehicles on dealer lots.
Especially when you have such distinct styling differences. Some people are going to want a hatch and that leaves the 15 a no go, and some people just may flat out prefer the exterior of the 14. Some people put exterior styling above everything else.
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Old 04-30-2014, 01:38 PM   #43
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There is the possibility I will get screwed if a new hatch comes out but the other option is my car will hold incredible value to 5 door guys. Also - '14 is a tried a true bulletproof car and the '15 is year one??????
good point... what if this is another 2008
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Old 04-30-2014, 04:28 PM   #44
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2015 wrx
Zing!!!!


And I believe that the 15 STI will be just like the 08 WRX, meaning the 16 STI will probably get a FA25DIT motor.
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Old 04-30-2014, 04:32 PM   #45
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Was this a mistake?

Yes sir, a catastrophic mistake.....similar to the 2008 wrx guys after the 2009 was released.
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:04 PM   #46
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If you got a decent deal and aren't crunching specification numbers every time you drive I'd say the 14 was a good buy. I think it looks better too...

The only mistake was me paying MSRP for my '14 WRX last month.
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Old 04-30-2014, 08:22 PM   #47
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Neither, waiting for the DI 2.5 in the 2016+ STi.
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Old 04-30-2014, 08:38 PM   #48
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A lot of people are buying 2014 WRXs and STi models over 2015 models. They will until the dealers can get them all off the lots, someone has to buy them. You made your purchase and hopefully you got a good deal. Just enjoy the car, all you're going to do is create a boat load of buyers remorse by reading into this too much and listening to what some people have to say versus others. I have a 2004 STi...even with all the new gadgets in the newer STi models...it doesn't bother me that mine is old. I am still enjoying my 11 year old car (by build date) that can pretty much keep up with the latest models at the end of the day. Point is...enjoy what you got while you have it. The changes to the STi aren't as significant as people like to make them out to be, but at the same time you can't ignore the improvements either. Subaru did address many concerns that people normally have to go to the aftermarket to address, and they added some gadgetry in there for good measure as normal with modern vehicles...however every time a new model comes out these debates happen and if people didn't automatically get in the "newer is 100% better mindset," manufactures would never sell new cars until peoples older models completely crap out. I'd say purchasing a last generation WRX over the 2015 model would bother me more than buying a last generation STi over the current model. Enjoy your STi!
thanks a lot for your two sense. I'm in love with my car and have no regrets. i could have bought the 2015 sti but was too in love with the 2014. Im not ignorant and am aware that its more advanced in some areas but the i just wasnt a fan of the looks, and like you, i will definitely upgrade in certain areas(springs, catback etc.) I still think the sexiest sti ever is the 2nd generation and i hope to someday own one.
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Old 04-30-2014, 08:40 PM   #49
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As with any vehicle, leftover previous model year inventory must be sold...therefore someone is buying the previous model year vehicles if any are left on the lot along side new inventory, even though some people knew the 15 models were coming and read the reviews, it didn't stop them from picking up 14 model year vehicle...you're trying to read between the lines when nothing else is there. I didn't say everyone is buying 14s over 15s...all I am saying is that there are plenty of people in this guys situation and there will be more as long as there are any new 14 model year vehicles on dealer lots.
I'm a perfect example. My 14 was sitting right next to a 15 when i bought it. thanks for your input.
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Old 04-30-2014, 09:13 PM   #50
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Not according to those who've actually tracked the car. Sorry, at the limit, it.certainly understeers.

Not saying thats a big deal...
Here is a graphic example of understeer:

http://lifeonunleaded.com/videos/wat...er-off-a-cliff

Personally, I've come to prefer a car with slight understeer when pushing the limit (no pun intended). Never having driven the car in the video, I wonder if the M3 has this feedback, or if it always feels so good one never gets warning in time to reel it back.

If the new WRX/STi has the handling widely touted, is it so good that it will lull the average driver into overdriving it with similar consequences. With your experience, some track time with a new WRX/STi would allow a professional's opinion on their handling... and provide feedback on their limits, and warnings about real-world limits.

The review here: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...rx_comparison/

to me. is full of contradictions that do not convey that the WRX has dangerous understeer. It was two seconds faster than the "way more fun" and "better balanced" Focus, for one. And the author, after repeating Probst's "plow straight into the dirt" remark, went on to say "I drove the car and the car just told me to drive faster, lap after lap." Senseless, to me. An opinion from you here, based on driving the WRX yourself, would be appreciated.

In autox, I've always relied on my Suby's AWD characteristics to pull me around a corner under power, after braking sharply to enter correctly. It sound like the "understeer" talked about is from incorrect corner entry speeds... no?
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