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Old 05-17-2014, 11:24 AM   #51
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Ok, so I wasn't looking at the Alpine Head Unit amp because I thought it needed to be installed only with an Alpine head unit. Wrong! My mind is blown.

So now I can get the amplifier if needed, without all the mess of installing it in the trunk AND still use the stock wiring! This is HUGE!

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_500KTP4...ower-Pack.html
I would run a dedicated power and ground, if possible. If you can run a 12-10ga power wire and a good ground it will help that PowerPack put out more reliable power with less heat.
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:27 AM   #52
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Here is an interesting thought;

Tang Band W6-1139SIF 6-1/2" Paper Cone Subwoofer Speaker in the rears.
50 bucks a pop.

35 to 800 Hz

http://www.parts-express.com/tang-ba...eaker--264-919
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Anyone put subwoofers in the rear doors? Kicker 40CWRT672
Both have been done successfully. You need solid adapters and a good deadening plan bit they can be done and can sound very good.

Even component woofers (not subwoofers but high-end midbass) with the right band-pass of frequencies and enough power can have a huge impact on low-end sound.

I have more info if you have questions.
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Old 05-18-2014, 01:45 AM   #53
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Also going to take a look at the PPioneer GM-D8604, it is right in my price range.
I looked at that one too. Reason I went with the Rockford was for the name, the size, access to the controls (if you mount it under the seat you'll need to mount it sideways to have access), and also because Pioneer advertises the max wattage rather than the RMS - my silent protest is to avoid their products where possible.
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:22 AM   #54
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Are you guys running new speaker wire from your amp to the doors? I don't know if I'm going to change the headunit now, but may just wait to do everything at once. It seems like a pain in the ass to run all the new wire to each individual door though.
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:30 AM   #55
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Might sound like a newb question but can the Alpine KTP-445U power pack be used to power the factory HK sub only? I'm trying to look for a small monoblock amp to power the HK sub rather than using the factory HK amp and just keep the stock amp powering everything else
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Old 05-18-2014, 06:08 AM   #56
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Might sound like a newb question but can the Alpine KTP-445U power pack be used to power the factory HK sub only? I'm trying to look for a small monoblock amp to power the HK sub rather than using the factory HK amp and just keep the stock amp powering everything else
Soundstream has a really slick mono block coming out as well as a 4-ch amp.

Soundstream ST1-700D
350 watts RMS @ 2 Ω
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_530ST17...-ST1-700D.html

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Soundstream Stealth ST4.1000D
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http://www.crutchfield.com/p_530ST41...ST4-1000D.html
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Old 05-18-2014, 06:13 AM   #57
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Are you guys running new speaker wire from your amp to the doors? I don't know if I'm going to change the headunit now, but may just wait to do everything at once. It seems like a pain in the ass to run all the new wire to each individual door though.
So I decided to just get a new head unit and speakers designed to be OEM replacements. That way I do not need an amp, or run new speaker wire to each door.

I wanted a really clean install and was not too keen on throwing an amp in the car to add tot he current draw on the battery.

Focal Integration series is a good place to start. It will not be competition quality, but it will be light years ahead of stock.

For Reference: Pioneer AVH-4000NEX Head Unit.

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Old 05-18-2014, 07:45 AM   #58
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Soundstream has a really slick mono block coming out as well as a 4-ch amp.

Soundstream ST1-700D
350 watts RMS @ 2 Ω
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_530ST17...-ST1-700D.html

and

Soundstream Stealth ST4.1000D
90 watts RMS x 4 at 4 Ω
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_530ST41...ST4-1000D.html
This is perfect, thanks for that! I noticed they're on pre-order, any idea when they're coming out?

Will the 350 watts RMS monoblock amp be too powerful for the stock HK sub?
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Old 05-18-2014, 07:52 AM   #59
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This is perfect, thanks for that! I noticed they're on pre-order, any idea when they're coming out?

Will the 350 watts RMS monoblock amp be too powerful for the stock HK sub?
I do not know if it will be too powerful or not nor do I know when it will be released. It would be a good idea to get a pre-order in (a Crutchfield sales rep told me that so take with a grain of salt) as they are hot little packages.
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Old 05-19-2014, 01:41 AM   #60
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Soundstream has a really slick mono block coming out as well as a 4-ch amp.

Soundstream ST1-700D
350 watts RMS @ 2 Ω
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_530ST17...-ST1-700D.html

and

Soundstream Stealth ST4.1000D
90 watts RMS x 4 at 4 Ω
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_530ST41...ST4-1000D.html
Damn, that's perfect! So small!
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Old 05-20-2014, 07:58 PM   #61
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Are you guys running new speaker wire from your amp to the doors? I don't know if I'm going to change the headunit now, but may just wait to do everything at once. It seems like a pain in the ass to run all the new wire to each individual door though.
The way I was advised to do this (and the way I did it) is to run the RCAs to the amp, and run the speaker wires back to the headunit. Connect the speaker wires to the harness wires going to the car, and cut the wires from the headunit that would have gone to those speakers. Tape them off to prevent shorts and you're good.
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Old 05-20-2014, 08:06 PM   #62
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Updated the first post to clean it up and keep the plan consistent with the subsequent posts. Thanks for all the input!
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:18 PM   #63
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Is there a car stereo place near you? If there is, go in and listen to some separates in the store. They should have the ability to play them through a head unit. Just make sure they are comparable size and impedance. The will sound worlds better than the crap stock paper junk speakers. They just won't play as loud or have as much impact as with an amp.
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:21 PM   #64
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Is there a car stereo place near you? If there is, go in and listen to some separates in the store. They should have the ability to play them through a head unit. Just make sure they are comparable size and impedance. The will sound worlds better than the crap stock paper junk speakers. They just won't play as loud or have as much impact as with an amp.
Yeah, the stock speakers are the first things I am replacing.
Putting components up front and coaxials in the rear.

Starting with the speakers because there will be a huge gain there.
Head unit will come but I want to let the Alpine CarPlay units be released so there is some competition. I am in no rush with this car, I want to be methodical and also cost conscious.

Once the head unit is in, and new speakers. I will determine if I want/need a mono block + sub, or go the 5-channel route and re-wire all the speakers.

Yes its a lot of potential extra work, but it will be worth it, that way I know for sure where the best gains were etc.

Thanks!
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Old 05-22-2014, 05:22 AM   #65
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Just took delivery on my 2015 WRX LTD CWP yesterday!
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Old 05-22-2014, 09:12 AM   #66
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Just took delivery on my 2015 WRX LTD CWP yesterday!
Congratulations!
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:20 PM   #67
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I can say with great certainty, the head unit is prob. the weakest link in the car for sure. That said, the speakers will be a huge improvement over the stock ones as well.

Waiting on the adapters to arrive then the new Focal's will be going in. After that I will ride it out until I can see what Alpine ships in terms of CarPlay support.

700 bucks to Pioneer to defeat the whole interface that I would be paying for is kind of annoying in my opinion.
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Got the front Focals installed, pics will be posted soon.

Install was dead simple. Comes with in-line x-overs on both the woofer and tweeter. They sound an order of magnitude better than the stock speakers, even on the stock head unit.

I am completely confident that the sound quality will improve quite a bit more with the advanced EQ options and more power from the head unit alone. This will most likely be where I stop, unless I add a small sub in the trunk.

I didn't need to strip or crimp *anything*, not even the tweeter install.
Will be writing up a solid guide for this.
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So I am a total newb when it comes to car audio equipment. But I have a 2015 ordered and coming from my A4 (with stock audio) the sound system in the 2015 is a joke. When I ordered the car I was planning on a aftermarket upgrade. Would I be wasting money by simply only upgrading the speakers? Or would the upgrade be enough to get me from pretty much terrible to like where a stock Audi audio would be? I really don't care for a lot bass or even blaring music, just want a fairly clear sound with a good amount of range. Any thoughts?
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I will let you know when I finish my install. There is quite a bit of limitation with the head unit... very flat sounding, and THD is most likely pretty high. It only has about 1-2 watts as well. The Focal speaker I installed does sound quite a bit better, but I think it will still be lacking until I put a new head unit in.
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So I am a total newb when it comes to car audio equipment. But I have a 2015 ordered and coming from my A4 (with stock audio) the sound system in the 2015 is a joke. When I ordered the car I was planning on a aftermarket upgrade. Would I be wasting money by simply only upgrading the speakers? Or would the upgrade be enough to get me from pretty much terrible to like where a stock Audi audio would be? I really don't care for a lot bass or even blaring music, just want a fairly clear sound with a good amount of range. Any thoughts?
Upgrading the speakers will only get you so far, if you want the best sound from any speaker you need to meet or exceed the recommended watts per channel which is usually referred to as RMS. If you don't you'll most likely experience low sound output, distortion, or even damage the speakers over time from not giving it the wattage it needs. If you upgrade the speakers make sure you have a stereo or amplifier that matches the needs of the speaker.
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Upgrading the speakers will only get you so far, if you want the best sound from any speaker you need to meet or exceed the recommended watts per channel which is usually referred to as RMS. If you don't you'll most likely experience low sound output, distortion, or even damage the speakers over time from not giving it the wattage it needs. If you upgrade the speakers make sure you have a stereo or amplifier that matches the needs of the speaker.
Truth, the more I listen to just the upgraded speakers, the more I want to have more clean power. Get yourself a really high quality head unit. That is where I am going next. If it still falls short, then it will be a 5 channel amp.
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700 bucks to Pioneer to defeat the whole interface that I would be paying for is kind of annoying in my opinion.
Please explain how the Pioneer would defeat the interface. I have been struggling with which unit to get and what keeps the most original features working??
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Please explain how the Pioneer would defeat the interface. I have been struggling with which unit to get and what keeps the most original features working??
I have a pioneer nav unit in mine and there are absolutely no original features that i'm missing out on.
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Old 05-30-2014, 06:53 AM   #75
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Please explain how the Pioneer would defeat the interface. I have been struggling with which unit to get and what keeps the most original features working??
If you get a steering wheel control adapter, you will retain all of those features.
The only feature that you will lose for sure that I know of is the track names in the small multi-function display. Everything else will work including the backup camera.

Note: The backup camera will go to the same place, not the new head unit.

Hope this helps.
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