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Old 06-03-2014, 05:01 PM   #51
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Are the HVT springs linear like the Swift?
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Old 06-03-2014, 05:21 PM   #52
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Are there plans to construct a model of these for the GR's after all is said and done with the GD's?
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Old 06-03-2014, 05:33 PM   #53
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Are there plans to construct a model of these for the GR's after all is said and done with the GD's?
Not sure. Maybe turn in concepts can chime in?
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Old 06-03-2014, 05:50 PM   #54
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Ast springs are from holland and swifts are japanese.
These are a european type damper made in the usa so I feel more comfortable having ast springs on there. Otherwise whats thw difference in feel between them and any oyher jap coil.
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Damping profile. There shouldn't be anything magical about springs unless you're looking at progressive rates, unless there is just huge variation in quality.


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I would rather have ast over swift just for the euro bling factor lol. Also because swift doesnt make dampers just springs.

And keep it all from the same manufactuer.
I dont understand throwing swift springs on these dampers anyways just due to the fact that swifts are on most lower budget taiwan coils.
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Then clue me in big boy

The bling factor was a joke hence the lol after.

These are ast's at heart and are fixed dampening.
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I know that, and I agree with all the above, so asking why he would change to Swifts. Maybe he thought there would be cheap springs on the HVT's and thought he needed "upgrading"
Swift springs are some of the most linear, accurately rated, and for their windings; some of the lightest springs on the market. They are an upgrade to most any coilover. The only other manufacturer that would also rate as high would be H&R springs.

Their place of origin has absolutely no f*ing bearing on their quality, nor their pairing with a "European," strut/shock/coilover, or as you say "Jap Coilover."

And Taiwanese made coilovers do not inherently have Swift springs on them, they never do. BC, Megan, ISC etc; none off them. There are vendors that upcharge for swapping the springs to Swift, as they are a better spring over what you get in a budget coil.


So take your racist views, and leave them out of this thread. Stick to facts. Thats what matters. Not the country of origin, not that you want to pair made-in-usa with springs made in Holland so it'll ride like a "euro coilover." Lemming has it right in this thread as well.

/Done ranting.
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Old 06-03-2014, 07:03 PM   #55
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/Done ranting.
Thank you

I am not dissing swift. I am saying they offer them as upgrades to low budget coilovers with adjustable dampening mostly.

These are fixed and they are marketed to be dampened to the exact rate for which the springs are.

I could be wrong and there is no racism here. Just stating they are a japanesr coilover. Im typing some shorthand from mobile. Im sorry if "jap" offended you. Its not like I said pan face or gook.........
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Old 06-03-2014, 07:52 PM   #56
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Because of the material used swift springs are less prone to coil bind and weigh less than most every other spring option out there. I'm not sure why you don't see that as an upgrade.
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Old 06-03-2014, 08:17 PM   #57
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Swift springs are often lighter and often offer more stroke compared to normal springs.
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Old 06-03-2014, 09:09 PM   #58
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Because of the material used swift springs are less prone to coil bind and weigh less than most every other spring option out there. I'm not sure why you don't see that as an upgrade.
I just dont know if its an upgrade on this application. Im not arguing the fact that swift springs are good linear springs that have more travel, and weigh less.

We have seen two sets of these coilovers reviewed so far.....
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:04 PM   #59
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Did any of you actually read the description of this suspension? Its designed to work together. The springs and valving is paired on purpose. While a set of high quality springs are never a bad thing, these should respond pretty well as-is. That was the entire point of bringing this product to market.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:58 PM   #60
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Did any of you actually read the description of this suspension? Its designed to work together. The springs and valving is paired on purpose. While a set of high quality springs are never a bad thing, these should respond pretty well as-is. That was the entire point of bringing this product to market.
+1 this is all I was refering to. I guess im just a dumb racist lol.
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:50 AM   #61
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I think some of you would be very surprised at the springs often used by world class teams (WRC AND DAKAR namely). Top 10 finishers are often using springs from manufacturers that this community calls 'trash'. Once you get down to national and production level motorsports these manufacturers are even more common and infact I would say the majority of racers use these manufacturers of trash springs......
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I think some of you would be very surprised at the springs often used by world class teams (WRC AND DAKAR namely). Top 10 finishers are often using springs from manufacturers that this community calls 'trash'. Once you get down to national and production level motorsports these manufacturers are even more common and infact I would say the majority of racers use these manufacturers of trash springs......
Please elaborate....
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Old 06-04-2014, 11:39 AM   #63
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Please elaborate....
Prodrive springs
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Old 06-04-2014, 11:58 AM   #64
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I think some of you would be very surprised at the springs often used by world class teams (WRC AND DAKAR namely). Top 10 finishers are often using springs from manufacturers that this community calls 'trash'. Once you get down to national and production level motorsports these manufacturers are even more common and infact I would say the majority of racers use these manufacturers of trash springs......
Different requirements for different needs....

Also note that these WRC and DAKAR cars do not use LOWERING springs :
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Old 06-04-2014, 12:10 PM   #65
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Swift coilover springs are likely a very slight improvement over the provided springs, but it's almost certainly not worth paying an extra 400-500 bucks on top of these coilovers for what may be an imperceptible difference. They're just a little more linear/consistent and slightly lighter.

Hyperco makes great coilover springs too (and are probably the most widely used in motorsport in the US). Eibachs aren't bad. But this thread isn't about what coilover springs make you the happiest.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:28 PM   #66
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Different requirements for different needs....

Also note that these WRC and DAKAR cars do not use LOWERING springs :
The materials, winding technique and post processing are usually the same though.
These are what separate a good spring manufacturer from a bad one.
Not whether they choose a generic spring specification that suits your particular preference. Especially not when you have no idea about what it is that you actually want and blame a bad ride on the springs instead of the dampers which have not been valved appropriately....
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:52 PM   #67
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I have ridden in the car with prototype of fixed setting version and I have to say, It was very good.

Two words
"Baby KW"

It doesn't have typical short stroke coilover feel to it and with helper spring, it takes the undulation very well for rough roads without that progressive spring+ shocks combo sloppy feel to it.

Personal preference was towards to have a little more stiffer on rear in general as TiC would v expected my comment and they had similar thought and full production version received little more stiff on the rear already. Approved on my book.

Hopefully we don't have high credential forester guy shows up and claiming forester and GD are same chassis car lol. I wonder if he ever did any performance driving on both to ever even tell a dip **** about chassis on both cars.
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+1 this is all I was refering to. I guess im just a dumb racist lol.
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Did any of you actually read the description of this suspension? Its designed to work together. The springs and valving is paired on purpose. While a set of high quality springs are never a bad thing, these should respond pretty well as-is. That was the entire point of bringing this product to market.
Yeah, no kidding. This setup is engineered to work together as is. Changing the springs out seems... rather silly.

edit: mine are sitting in the garage, hopefully going on this weekend. 2003 wrx wagon, gonna be all HVT n stuff!
edit #2: i'm doing group N front and rear
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Hopefully we don't have high credential forester guy shows up and claiming forester and GD are same chassis car lol.
Eh? They basically are, but Subaru did some wacky stuff with crossmembers to add a body lift.
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Eh? They basically are, but Subaru did some wacky stuff with crossmembers to add a body lift.
I also expect that the total weight and weight distribution are different between
Forrester and GD is different. Therefore, the suspension is likely tuned differently.
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I also expect that the total weight and weight distribution are different between
Forrester and GD is different. Therefore, the suspension is likely tuned differently.
Same goes for the gd chassis 3 varients.
Wrx sti n rs. All diff suspension requirements.
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I just dont know if its an upgrade on this application. Im not arguing the fact that swift springs are good linear springs that have more travel, and weigh less.

We have seen two sets of these coilovers reviewed so far.....
Did your set arrive? Waiting for your review
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Old 06-07-2014, 01:27 PM   #73
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Did your set arrive? Waiting for your review
No. Thanks for reminding me tho. Gregg platt has a phone call incoming ahora.
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I got mine installed earlier today, they drive very well. I love how they handle rough pavement, etc.

A LOT less body roll than stock. Matter of fact, the car doesn't lean much at all.

Here's a pic. This is how i've got it set prior to alignemnt later this week. 13.5" from centerline of BBS centercaps to the fender.

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Old 06-08-2014, 09:01 PM   #75
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One thing me and Jason noticed (he did the install for me) was that both fronts made a clunk / pop noise, both when driving and when we pushed down on the front fender. At first, Jason thought it might be the strut top bolt. It wasn't.

He rotated the entire spring assembly 180-degrees, on both sides of the car, and this solved the issue. ... Anyone have any idea what this might have been?
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