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Old 06-07-2014, 04:18 PM   #26
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Not for smart people. Add in the cost of fuel, oil, maintenance and repairs over a reasonable life with reasonable mileage and there's diminishing premium for the Model X vs a Tribeca. The more mileage you put on, the more appealing the Tesla becomes. Also the Tesla is awesome while the Tribeca is.... ugh.

I'm fully aware that my daily driven 10 year old Subaru has cost well over $60k in it's lifetime. Are you?

Whatever, doesn't matter. There's so much demand for Tesla's that more people don't need convincing, and they have no current plans for any form of advertising. No possible benefit can come from proving my point.
Edmund is selling their Tesla S. Time to jump in to save some cash and show us how it is done with your dream EV. That Tesla S already had the battery pack replaced, motor/drive-train replaced. It is now better then new!
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Tesla vehicles have outstanding build quality, outstanding customer service pre and post sale, and quite frankly, the best EV battery technology on the market.

I've driven both the Roadster and the Model S and both were amazing. I would own one if not for the price tag and my propensity to take long drives where the ability to recharge may be unavailable.

The Model X will be a success. It won't sell as many units as a craptastic Chevy or Ford, but that wouldn't be comparing apples to apples.

Anyway, I wish Elon Musk and Tesla great success. (Mostly because I have nearly $10k of TSLA stock. ;-) )
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Sucks sticking to those interstate freeways when trying to cross the country, eh?
Honestly, yes.

When I travel, I often go on detours and take turns to see where roads go. I like to drive. I enjoy exploring new places. In an EV, that would be a precarious decision. I would be FORCED to stick on the highway, or risk being stranded in bump nut-ville.

Whether racing across the country as integra put it, cannonballing, or just sightseeing the great 50 states, a gas powered car is just better.

Cost is completely irrelevant. If I can afford a Tesla or an M5 (neither of which I can afford easily) the price of gas is of no consequence. Sure it would cost more to do the drive. But I could come and go as I please. And I would get to hear and feel an M5, which is a very good thing. I would also have the benefit of a national dealer network to service my M5 which I would probably need once or twice.

I never said the Tesla is not a decent car by the way I just say there are things that make it undesirable to me. I am sure it is decent and I even think Musk is trying to build a really good car. I honestly think he cares about his products. A model S or X is just completely undesirable to me.
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ITT: Teslas suck because they wouldn't win a Cannonball Run.

I'll let Elon know that his company and ideas are bad.
And don't forget, they're ugly, too.

Wow.
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Edmund is selling their Tesla S. Time to jump in to save some cash and show us how it is done with your dream EV. That Tesla S already had the battery pack replaced, motor/drive-train replaced. It is now better then new!
Remind us all how much Edmunds payed out of pocket for those repairs and how many days they spent without a car because of them.
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Remind us all how much Edmunds payed out of pocket for those repairs and how many days they spent without a car because of them.
I am quite sure those warranty repairs were pleasant and reassuring! Even if the model S is out of warranty, just skip the local shops and make a quick visit to a Tesla service center. How expensive could it be to replace the drive-train or battery pack? Probably nothing much compared to the fuel cost saving.
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Old 06-07-2014, 07:19 PM   #32
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And like clockwork, skunk appears stinking up the place.

Skunk thanks again for adding nothing, as usual, proving once again, you are just a wingman or at best a sidekick. Incapable of original thought.

Carry on.
Way to completely misread that and throw me under the bus. I thought we shared a mutual admiration and respect (with the occasional good ribbing), along with the passion for our hobby, but I suppose not. Way to show your true colors and blow it up completely in one ill-thought-out post though, chief. If you feel that strongly about it, go ahead and put me on your ignore list.
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Cars are serious business.
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another interesting thing I've noticed about Tesla's, or have noticed for that matter: commercials.

I've never seen a TESLA commercial on TV. meanwhile my local channels are bombarded with Toyota and GM summer savings deals.

The only media attention TESLA gets is from magazines and news reports. I understand they are still quite the small auto manufacturer, but in this day and age with every new product plastered across every media outlet possible, TESLA still seems to generate a lot of buzz all by itself.
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ITT Scrappy think Teslas suck for everyone because they don't meet his requirements.
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I am quite sure those warranty repairs were pleasant and reassuring! Even if the model S is out of warranty, just skip the local shops and make a quick visit to a Tesla service center. How expensive could it be to replace the drive-train or battery pack? Probably nothing much compared to the fuel cost saving.
There's a thread in OT from an actual Tesla owner.. he's been through some of the warranty repairs. You should go read it instead of making baseless assumptions.

Off-Topic: Deposit Placed on Tesla Model S...I'm going EV bishes

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Update:

I have been getting a low pitched hum at partial throttle and during longer drives a bit of a drone at 75mph+ speeds. It was never a big deal to me and it is a very low noise. No drivability issues or the like associated with it. Not to mention you could barely hear it and only if I turned off the stereo and listened for it.

Fast forward to today when I brought the car in to have "tank mode" enabled on the. (See: http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/tesl...plates-model-s)

While the car was in they noticed the hum, took audio recordings, sent them to engineering in Freemont, CA, and then gave me a call. Basically, convo went like this.

Service: Hey your car is done but we noticed a noise coming from the drive unit
Me: Yeah, that's been there..no biggie
Service: We would like to replace the drive unit based upon a recommendation from engineering
Me: Wow...OK?!!?
Service: We will have your car until Monday if that works for you. Continue to enjoy the Model S loaner you have until then.
Me: Sure, thanks

So they are going to give me a new motor/drive unit in the car. While I would rather have had NO issues with the car the proactive nature of Tesla service continues to make problems not bad at all.


But, that's just one owner, you say..


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Lots of people love their cars. But as we’ve consistently seen in our yearly owner-satisfaction ratings, the vehicles that inspire the strongest loyalty are ones that are fun to drive, deliver great fuel economy, are fashionably green, or envelop you in a high-tech, luxurious driving environment. So perhaps it shouldn’t be a surprise that the Tesla Model S all-electric luxury sports sedan, which provides all of those attributes in one car, topped our latest ratings with the highest satisfaction score we’ve seen in years: 99 out of 100.

While the $89,650 Model S isn’t for everyone, we did draw about 600 survey responses from owners of 2012 and 2013 models. Moreover, its owner-satisfaction score matches the near-perfect 99 overall test score that the Tesla earned in our test program, which made it our highest-rated vehicle. It stands out for its innovative design, outstanding performance, surprising practicality, long 200-mile-plus driving range for an electric car, and low driving costs.

Other models that topped their categories in our latest owner-satisfaction ratings are the Porsche Boxster sports car (which was second overall), Audi A6 luxury sedan, Mazda6 midsized sedan, Subaru Forester SUV, V8 Dodge Charger large sedan, and diesel-powered Volkswagen Golf TDI compact car.

Our annual owner-satisfaction survey, conducted by the Consumer Reports National Research Center, asks Consumer Reports magazine and Web subscribers a key, revealing question, “Considering all factors (price, performance, reliability, comfort, enjoyment, etc.), would you get this car if you had it to do all over again?” A model’s score is based on the percentage of respondents who answered “definitely yes.” This year, we received responses on about 350,000 vehicles and more than 285 models and variants spanning the 2011 through 2014 model years.
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Way to completely misread that and throw me under the bus. I thought we shared a mutual admiration and respect (with the occasional good ribbing), along with the passion for our hobby, but I suppose not. Way to show your true colors and blow it up completely in one ill-thought-out post though, chief. If you feel that strongly about it, go ahead and put me on your ignore list.
I don't have an ignore list. My true colors have always been the same. Overly opinionated grumpy dude.

WE all blow up one time or another. I tend to not hold that against anybody for more than a day... I don't even have Indocti on my ignore list, and I have been tempted as he seems capable of absolutely NO reading comprehension. Very sad really.

Skunkers, you may put me on your ignore list if you wish bud. But I think we usually agree on most things. Your call.



p.s. Get off my lawn...
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ITT Scrappy think Teslas suck for everyone because they don't meet his requirements.
Are you really this dense sweetheart, or did you just stay in a motel 6 last night instead of a holiday inn express.
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Whatever, doesn't matter. There's so much demand for Tesla's that more people don't need convincing, and they have no current plans for any form of advertising. No possible benefit can come from proving my point.
Dude, I own a Tesla. I get it completely. I love my car and you will have to pry it from my cold dead hands to take it away. My point is that while there are significant benefits to owning one the price of entry will scare most folks away. After optioning my car the price crept up near 90k and this is before Tesla raised the prices of all options.

The model x will be more expensive and most people will not be cross shopping. For the good of Tesla and my many shares of TSLA that I am holding, I sincerely hope they will though.
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Quite frankly I think they are ugly. Okay awkward is a better word. They look too wide and low and have annoying skinny tires. I despise the big screen TV dashboard. And most of all, I do not want to drive a dead quiet car. I like the feel and sound of an engine. I took my wife on a date in the 2000 Datsun Roadster for lunch today, and it was fun to EXPERIENCE the car and the air, and engine blurbing down the road. We did not simply commute to the restaurant, we DROVE to it and the ride there was fun.

A car that can get 300 miles in winter with the heater on , or 300 miles in summer with the AC blasting the whole time and costs 30k that can be charged in 5 minutes will interest me.

I do honestly think EV will get there, or they will try at least and be replaced by the next best thing. Even if they do, they are still lacking to me. I have driven golf carts, I know what electric cars feel like. I don't want a very fast golf cart. That is all a Tesla is. A very fast golf cart.

For the average person, a 30k dollar version would sell well. Assuming it has the range and recharge times mentioned above. Until then, they are a toy. A conversation piece. Just like say, a Ferrari, or an Amphicar.
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Outrun the M5 eh, I would race you in the M5 across the country.

You would lose by a long long way. You can cross the country in an Tesla, no doubt, as long as you stick to the roads service EV

7 passenger sedan.... Why is that even a good thing? Those two jump seats in back are a laughable. If you had to take 7 people anywhere you would probably need to have luggage or cargo, which when carrying 7 people you would not have.

But please keep trying to put lipstick on this horse. (its not quite a pig)
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Honestly, yes.

When I travel, I often go on detours and take turns to see where roads go. I like to drive. I enjoy exploring new places. In an EV, that would be a precarious decision. I would be FORCED to stick on the highway, or risk being stranded in bump nut-ville.

Whether racing across the country as integra put it, cannonballing, or just sightseeing the great 50 states, a gas powered car is just better.

Cost is completely irrelevant. If I can afford a Tesla or an M5 (neither of which I can afford easily) the price of gas is of no consequence. Sure it would cost more to do the drive. But I could come and go as I please. And I would get to hear and feel an M5, which is a very good thing. I would also have the benefit of a national dealer network to service my M5 which I would probably need once or twice.

I never said the Tesla is not a decent car by the way I just say there are things that make it undesirable to me. I am sure it is decent and I even think Musk is trying to build a really good car. I honestly think he cares about his products. A model S or X is just completely undesirable to me.
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yeah. must be that.
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There's a thread in OT from an actual Tesla owner.. he's been through some of the warranty repairs. You should go read it instead of making baseless assumptions.

Off-Topic: Deposit Placed on Tesla Model S...I'm going EV bishes


But, that's just one owner, you say..

No one is disputing that Tesla has good customer service. Right now they only have 25k cars to take care of.

No manufacturer can 100% prevent mechanical break down. And Tesla is the same. Here is Edmund Tesla S broke down on the freeway. Maybe this drive unit did "hum" but driver did not hear it?

Tesla S stuck on freeway.

With just a small number of low mileage Tesla S on the road, reports of break down indicates that Tesla will need service/repair (duh!) . When the warranty is up, with only exclusive parts and services outlet, fixing a Tesla S will not be cheap. You can't call that "baseless assumption".

Don't get me wrong, I am not against EV. I congratulate folks who can afford a Tesla S.
I just not on the grass fed love wagon that Tesla fan don't want to get off.
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No manufacturer can 100% prevent mechanical break down. And Tesla is the same. Here is Edmund Tesla S broke down on the freeway. Maybe this drive unit did "hum" but driver did not hear it?

Tesla S stuck on freeway.

With just a small number of low mileage Tesla S on the road, reports of break down indicates that Tesla will need service/repair (duh!).
So because one broke down they must not be reliable? Deja Vu of the Tesla car fires. Even though there's enough data to conclude that a Tesla is 5 times less likely to catch fire than any other car, people still think there's a fire problem.

You can't do statistics and probability by gut feel, sorry. This is like trying to convince a 5 year old that sugar is bad for you... it's just not going to work.
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yeah. must be that.
Rainbow bunnies right back at ya.

equally as informative...
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So because one broke down they must not be reliable? Deja Vu of the Tesla car fires. Even though there's enough data to conclude that a Tesla is 5 times less likely to catch fire than any other car, people still think there's a fire problem.

You can't do statistics and probability by gut feel, sorry. This is like trying to convince a 5 year old that sugar is bad for you... it's just not going to work.
Where did you see I mention that the model S is unreliable? I simply said that there is already case of low mileage model S broke down, and out of warranty repair will not be cheap. Do you have any actual evidence against that?
I think you only have gut feeling/hoping that the model S will be a reliable car. But at this point, who knows?.

Fires? what are you talking about?

I found that actual Tesla owners are very realistic. But talking to non-owner of Tesla fan club is like talking to 15 year old teenager in love. There are lots of dreams, denial, excuses and hissy fit throwing in all directions..
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I think you only have gut feeling/hoping that the model S will be a reliable car. But at this point, who knows?.
Absolutely not. Try and count how many moving parts a Tesla has versus any other car. How about a car in it's class with 8-12 cylinders and 4-5 valves per cylinder?

How about how many sensors, actuators, solenoids, valves, pumps, bearings, hoses, belts, clutches, gears, filters, gaskets, o-rings, spark plugs, coil packs, injectors don't exist on the Tesla? It doesn't even have an engine block to crack or warp.

They don't exist, they can't go bad. From an engineering standpoint the Tesla is elegance.
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Absolutely not. Try and count how many moving parts a Tesla has versus any other car. How about a car in it's class with 8-12 cylinders and 4-5 valves per cylinder?

How about how many sensors, actuators, solenoids, valves, pumps, bearings, hoses, belts, clutches, gears, filters, gaskets, o-rings, spark plugs, coil packs, injectors don't exist on the Tesla? It doesn't even have an engine block to crack or warp.

They don't exist, they can't go bad. From an engineering standpoint the Tesla is elegance.
You are very enthusiastic. The model S does have gears, bearings and drive train, and it does break. There are pumps and complicated solenoid, switches and heavy duty electronic power control units that are subject to wear and tear that you can't inspect. Then there are 7000 tiny chemical batteries, only takes a couple of them to act up to give owner griefs or run for his or her life.
But of course it is an elegantly designed car. So does a Camry.
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The model S does have gears, bearings and drive train, and it does break.
Let me translate your post: "Durrrr, Tesla has gears toooo, durrrr"
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This thread is spiraling the drain.
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Tesla is the first successful new American car company since Jeep was formed in 1941 (and the first independent new American car company since Chrysler in 1925), and there are still Americans who try to find reasons to hate them every single day.
+1

Waiting on the mini-S (30k-ish model). If he can get 75-80% of the performance of the model S...he'll set a lot of them.
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This thread is spiraling the drain.
Agreed. Can we grill burgers, drink whisky and talk about noxious fume emitting cars with weber carbs?
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