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Old 06-12-2014, 02:21 PM   #1
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Default Tesla wants to kill the Gasoline motor by sharing with everyone.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/6/12...patents-to-all

Are these people trying to change the game?

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In an attempt to spur innovation, Tesla Motors says that it will allow anyone to use its patented technology on electric vehicles even its biggest competitors. In a blog post, company CEO Elon Musk says that Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone using its technology "in good faith." He's made this decision in part because the electric vehicle landscape is so limited right now, with these vehicles representing less than one percent of major automakers' sales. Musk also believes that the current patent system often serves to stifle innovation and bolster large corporations, rather than helping out individual inventors.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:23 PM   #2
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You can bet your ass GM, Chrysler, and Ford would have NOT done the same think.

Kudos Musk.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:30 PM   #3
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Good on him.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:34 PM   #4
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Love tesla more and more. I can't afford their cars, but maybe they'll bring about adequate technology faster by doing this.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:42 PM   #5
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"Mother [email protected]"

- Tesla's patent counsel
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Old 06-12-2014, 03:04 PM   #6
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^ Haha, my thoughts exactly.
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Old 06-12-2014, 03:44 PM   #7
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While I give him mad props for this, I really wonder if he is doing this to drive business for his battery's and that brand...

Still Tesla's are YEARS ahead of everyone else and I think its awesome he is sharing.
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Old 06-12-2014, 04:17 PM   #8
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While I give him mad props for this, I really wonder if he is doing this to drive business for his battery's and that brand...

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Even if that is his reason, pretty ****ing ballsy. I've long waited for corps with a conscious.
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Old 06-12-2014, 05:26 PM   #9
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Does tesla have any IP that is substantially enabling for the electric car? My guess is no, but not sure.
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Old 06-12-2014, 05:50 PM   #10
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They have the Smugonator V2. Toyota created V1, but the V2 is far superior.
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Old 06-12-2014, 07:10 PM   #11
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If battery powered cars are going to make it in market convenient and fast charging will have to be everywhere. Would you buy a wonderful iphone if it took all day to charge and lasted for 30 minutes use?
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If battery powered cars are going to make it in market convenient and fast charging will have to be everywhere.
If convenient and fast charging mechanisms are going to make it in the market, battery powered cars will have to be everywhere.
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If battery powered cars are going to make it in market convenient and fast charging will have to be everywhere. Would you buy a wonderful iphone if it took all day to charge and lasted for 30 minutes use?
Im not really an Iphone kinda guy, but currently it takes a "while" to charge an Iphone for most people, and they only last a few to several hours of hard use. Pretty similar to the current electric car. I agree with your sentiments philosophically but the real hurdle limiting adoption is cost of batteries.


What the EV market needs is a 4x reduction in cost for batteries and a 2x improvment in capacity per unit weight.
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Old 06-12-2014, 07:27 PM   #14
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Does tesla have any IP that is substantially enabling for the electric car? My guess is no, but not sure.
I'm not sure what you were trying to convey with "substantially enabling"...

Of course their IP is not the only way to skin the cat, as there are other EVs out there...but apparently they have some that gives them an advantage.

Whether or not it can be implemented in a cost effective manner by competitors in the near future is another story.
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Old 06-12-2014, 07:57 PM   #15
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I doubt he'll offer up the blue-prints/schematics for sweet-spot amount of lithium batteries that are use/need to run an efficient car. Last video I saw, he refused to reveal how many battery pods are used in their battery system.

Good news none-the-less
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I doubt he'll offer up the blue-prints/schematics for sweet-spot amount of lithium batteries that are use/need to run an efficient car. Last video I saw, he refused to reveal how many battery pods are used in their battery system.

Good news none-the-less
So he's not revealing any trade secrets, just promising not to sue over the known, published patents.
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I'm not sure what you were trying to convey with "substantially enabling"...

Of course their IP is not the only way to skin the cat, as there are other EVs out there...but apparently they have some that gives them an advantage.

Whether or not it can be implemented in a cost effective manner by competitors in the near future is another story.
of course there are always way to engineer around patents. Good patents makes this very painful and are well aligned with real market pains.

does tesla have and good patents in this context. My guess is probably not or very few.

What do they have that gives them an advantage? It seems like a well executed EV, although at a high price, using seemingly conventional technology.
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If battery powered cars are going to make it in market convenient and fast charging will have to be everywhere. Would you buy a wonderful iphone if it took all 30 mins to charge (overnight) and lasted for 200 minutes of talk time, or 4 hours of use?
let me fix that for you.
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:58 PM   #19
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While I give him mad props for this, I really wonder if he is doing this to drive business for his battery's and that brand...

Still Tesla's are YEARS ahead of everyone else and I think its awesome he is sharing.
and this is probably the reason why.

They are trying to build a $5bn battery facility to meet anticipated Tesla demand.
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Why is this so surprising to anybody. Like cell phones, the money is not in the cars, never will be, the money is in the charging stations and battery packs. The supercharger stations will not be 'free' for long.

Cell phones, ink jet printers, iPhones, etc. all operate on the same model. Get them hooked on the product, and then charge them for service. If that service is a rental contract for a home based supercharger, or whatever.

He is a shrewd business man, no doubt.
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I doubt he'll offer up the blue-prints/schematics for sweet-spot amount of lithium batteries that are use/need to run an efficient car. Last video I saw, he refused to reveal how many battery pods are used in their battery system.

Good news none-the-less
Like you could not buy a car and open it to look. This is way less mysterious than you make it sound. I don't even remember if they are still just panasonic cells or something else, but I am sure you could search the interwebz and find out relatively easily.

Anyway I don't know that they have anything too special, but they have nice thermal management and obviously very nice packaging. Of course GM has good thermal management already, but the packaging is not as nice.
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Old 06-12-2014, 10:06 PM   #22
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Why is this so surprising to anybody. Like cell phones, the money is not in the cars, never will be, the money is in the charging stations and battery packs. The supercharger stations will not be 'free' for long.

Cell phones, ink jet printers, iPhones, etc. all operate on the same model. Get them hooked on the product, and then charge them for service. If that service is a rental contract for a home based supercharger, or whatever.

He is a shrewd business man, no doubt.
....

On the Share holders meeting a week ago Musk said that supercharger station will always be free for Tesla vehicles. He said that he is willing to let other manufacturers use his supercharger stations at a cost. Is that not fair?.....

The real money for all car manufactures comes from service parts...

Is there another company that has opened up all of their company patents?
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Why is this so surprising to anybody. Like cell phones, the money is not in the cars, never will be, the money is in the charging stations and battery packs. The supercharger stations will not be 'free' for long.

Cell phones, ink jet printers, iPhones, etc. all operate on the same model. Get them hooked on the product, and then charge them for service. If that service is a rental contract for a home based supercharger, or whatever.

He is a shrewd business man, no doubt.
From the *say anything as along it's a mile from the truth department*... I am awed at the pure tenacity. Go down with the ship it is.




Apple makes a killing on hardware, especially iPhones. Non-hardware sales are a tiny sliver.
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What a stupid business plan. How bout making a more affordable, realistic version.... now someone else will and you will go out of business.
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:11 PM   #25
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What a stupid business plan. How bout making a more affordable, realistic version.... now someone else will and you will go out of business.
Not if you are the battery supplier.
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