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Old 06-17-2014, 08:59 AM   #101
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Even if they can't, they can afford to rent a car for long distance road trips.
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Old 06-17-2014, 05:41 PM   #102
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Mean of 2.28, eh. What's the median, though? I bet that's skewed by the untold number of households with 6 cars up on bricks in the front yard...
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Old 06-17-2014, 07:38 PM   #103
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Even if they can't, they can afford to rent a car for long distance road trips.
My parents rent a car for trips just to keep miles off their gas guzzling truck. I don't see how it's not a viable option for people with EVs.
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Old 06-18-2014, 12:45 AM   #104
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...Yesterday, Tesla got official permission to keeps it five stores open in New York thanks to the signature of Governor Andrew Cuomo on a pro-Tesla bill that passed earlier this year. This is not a surprise. The bill also makes it difficult for any other automaker to operate its own stores in the state...
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:40 AM   #105
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"When we look at the big picture, we may be at a tipping point. If dealer groups continue their push for more onerous franchise laws, we will be forced to keep an open mind about how best to serve new-car buyers in the future."
Oh no!
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:40 AM   #106
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Well... I guess it's a step in the right direction.
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Old 06-20-2014, 12:10 PM   #107
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When you see what electricity will cost next few years you just might change your mind about plug in cars. Keep in mind you will not be able to shop price on electricity. Auto industry already knows batteries will not be acceptable in near future due to charge time and distance available. Most are now betting on Fuel Cell use as can run internal combustion motor and make electricity. BTW how many here actually own a plug in?

You will see increases in both Fed and State taxes very soon! My guess you will see .50 cents added in 2 years taxes state and fed.
Keep in mind they did not use but one third the .18 to .24 cent gallon tax on highways projects as specified anyway and most used for general fund. So do some math as we used In 2013, about 134.51 billion gallons gasoline.
They love to sell you on emotional issues and rarely give you the facts. Those with LibGoogles and blinders rush in. Those of you in cities like NYC who pay many high tools and taxes must wonder why they cannot afford to now maintain roads and bridges that were built before they had taxes?
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Old 06-20-2014, 12:21 PM   #108
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When you see what electricity will cost next few years you just might change your mind about plug in cars. Keep in mind you will not be able to shop price on electricity. Auto industry already knows batteries will not be acceptable in near future due to charge time and distance available. Most are now betting on Fuel Cell use as can run internal combustion motor and make electricity. BTW how many here actually own a plug in?

I shop price on electricity whenever my contract is up.

Was paying $.078 per KWh until recently. Rates went up so I locked in $.091 KWh for 24 months. Maybe it's just my state (doubt it) but I shop rates every time my contract is up and have been successful in always negotiating a lower than advertised contract rate.

http://www.powertochoose.org/

I currently lease a plug-in. It's costing me 20% in energy use compared to my previous car, a high MPG Turbo Diesel.
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:38 PM   #109
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You can always go solar too depending on where you live. It's not like you can make gasoline at home or control the price of that either.
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Old 06-20-2014, 09:49 PM   #110
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When you see what electricity will cost next few years you just might change your mind about plug in cars. Keep in mind you will not be able to shop price on electricity. Auto industry already knows batteries will not be acceptable in near future due to charge time and distance available. Most are now betting on Fuel Cell use as can run internal combustion motor and make electricity. BTW how many here actually own a plug in?
You can absolutely shop on electricity prices. In addition I can choose to pay for partially renewable to 100% renewable energy sources (of course at an increased price, presently)

Regardless the premise of your statement is false. If electricity prices go up, they are driven by the fossil fuels used to generate that electricity. And electricity generation is done by the highest achievable efficiency. Several times more than any car can possibly do.

No, what will actually happen is that electricity prices will drop with decreasing prices in PV solar. It's already under grid prices in many places in the world.

This graph should strike fear in your heart of being really really wrong about everything you believe.

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Old 06-20-2014, 09:51 PM   #111
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Old 06-21-2014, 09:41 AM   #112
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So how many here have solar arrays large enough to even power their homes 50% ? If that chart is correct in costs why doesn't everyone have solar panels as Govt paying large part for them?Or own Plug in electric please show photos of registration and your solar panels.shopshopphotoshop OR Gee I wish i had a few acres SoCal AZ NV and $50k in panels to pull this off on daily basis.
My gift is here and you can buy panels at a fractional cost factory direct.
http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?...t=solar+panels
Most Chinese product has little or no tax as they have favored nation status.
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So how many here have solar arrays large enough to even power their homes 50% ? If that chart is correct in costs why doesn't everyone have solar panels as Govt paying large part for them?Or own Plug in electric please show photos of registration and your solar panels.shopshopphotoshop OR Gee I wish i had a few acres SoCal AZ NV and $50k in panels to pull this off on daily basis.
My gift is here and you can buy panels at a fractional cost factory direct.
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Bro, do you even graph?
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Old 06-21-2014, 11:21 AM   #114
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He's an idiot. Asking for registration

What are you the ****ing police? My Leaf is currently charging in my garage but all be damned if I'm going to scan in my registration for some idjut.
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Old 06-21-2014, 11:24 AM   #115
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If electricity prices go up, they are driven by the fossil fuels used to generate that electricity.
It's not an "if" question and it's not entirely driven by the fuel costs. The recently passed regulations by the EPA will help energy prices to "necessarily skyrocket" as Obama puts it.
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Old 06-21-2014, 11:37 AM   #116
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....and another thread about electric cars is rapidly on its way to getting closed. Notice how it almost always starts with someone ****tng on them for political purposes. The reflexive antipathy toward the electric car is fascinating and revealing, if moronic and disappointing.
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Old 06-21-2014, 11:53 AM   #117
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I quit locking them and handing out points since the morons don't get it. I moved one to PP the other day and it worked GREAT!

I might start doing that more often, either that or considering PP posts in N&R as being racist/inflammatory permanent 9pt infractions.
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Old 06-21-2014, 12:01 PM   #118
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I quit locking them and handing out points since the morons don't get it.
The morons is same dude. Delete...delete...delete...
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Old 06-21-2014, 01:42 PM   #119
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....and another thread about electric cars is rapidly on its way to getting closed. Notice how it almost always starts with someone ****tng on them for political purposes. The reflexive antipathy toward the electric car is fascinating and revealing, if moronic and disappointing.
Which posts are you talking about? We're talking about plug in cars and politicians are messing with electricity production (and therefore price). They are (both) absolutely relevant to long term operating costs and the electric cars' competitiveness in the marketplace. So, bring the tech or move along.
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HA HAHAHA,

People are getting points and it is not me.

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So how many here have solar arrays large enough to even power their homes 50% ? If that chart is correct in costs why doesn't everyone have solar panels as Govt paying large part for them?Or own Plug in electric please show photos of registration and your solar panels.shopshopphotoshop OR Gee I wish i had a few acres SoCal AZ NV and $50k in panels to pull this off on daily basis.
My gift is here and you can buy panels at a fractional cost factory direct.
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:48 PM   #122
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Beez more like. I has an environmental degree. It's all in the math. Jimmie Carter tried all this and failed. Sorry, you may have been too young. Ask your dads or even Scrappydo Toyota and other Japanese auto business is heading for Fuel Cell tech. Then of course we could head for major supply problems in Middle East (even though we have plenty here) and all be walking or waiting in line for fuel like early 80s
http://www.japantoday.com/category/t...car-technology


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Old 06-22-2014, 05:46 AM   #123
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Beez more like. I has an environmental degree. It's all in the math. Jimmie Carter tried all this and failed. Sorry, you may have been too young. Ask your dads or even Scrappydo Toyota and other Japanese auto business is heading for Fuel Cell tech. Then of course we could head for major supply problems in Middle East (even though we have plenty here) and all be walking or waiting in line for fuel like early 80s
http://www.japantoday.com/category/t...car-technology

Nope.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/06/21/c...sity-uk-study/

Growing pains for the coffee industry? Reminds me of the outcry from minor parties that corn was being used for ethanol in gasoline. Alternative fuels like hydrogen, eletric, natural gas, etc.

Toyota vs. Tesla vs. Hyundai vs. Honda. AKA TTHH
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hey do not drag me into any argument master. I am not and never have been on the record as a being well versed in the hybrid tech. I am a casual passer buy in that realm. I barely even window shop them. No way I can be your source on this matter.

I am wiser and older now... I choose my battles a bit more carefully.
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Old 06-22-2014, 10:56 AM   #125
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http://green.autoblog.com/2014/06/22...-electric-suv/

German luxury automakers making their moves against Tesla while Asian luxury automakers lag behind.
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