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Old 07-15-2014, 02:20 AM   #1
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Default PRE vs Surgeline vs ?

I'm sure threads with previous opinions have been posted, but I'm in need of a good shop with good advice, consultation, and fair labor cost.

I'm no cheapskate, but I do like a good deal. Surgeline is obviously a Cobb shop so anything there will result in Cobb parts. I just purchased my '06 STI from Silverline in Portland (don't worry, know the owner, great guy and the rep they have he is trying hard to turn around), and I want to bring my hawkeye to a place that will not only bring it back to great working condition, but also help in aiding me with upgrades along the way.

My car has a rebuilt motor that just ticked over 1k (80k on chassis), I just had a Cobb downpipe and intake installed, and wouldn't ya know it the radiator blew. That is being replaced, but I'm tempted at going to Surgeline for the $90 pre-dyno inspection and I know I'll be looking at more costs of repair.

I'm sure many of you have dealt with different shops, DIY projects, etc., but in the Portland/Vancouver area what shops offer great customer service and the like of good advice, labor and parts? Thank you for your feedback!
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Old 07-15-2014, 11:13 AM   #2
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Don't forget about English Racing out in Camas. One of the best Evo tuners in the area from what I've heard, but he can also do Subarus as well.
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Old 07-15-2014, 12:05 PM   #3
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I second English, went their a few months ago, well worth it.
Otherwise Surgeline.

I got my car at Silverline recently too, I know Bobby there, they have been very helpful
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Old 07-15-2014, 12:44 PM   #4
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Cobb has awesome customer service and do quality work.
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Old 07-15-2014, 04:56 PM   #5
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Had my downpipe and tune done at PRE and have no complaints. Erich, the tuner, has been there 5 or 6 years and was trained by Bobby who left to go to silverline (I believe).
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Old 07-15-2014, 05:20 PM   #6
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PRE, PIA, or surgeline.
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Old 07-16-2014, 12:28 AM   #7
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So I made an appointment next Weds at Surgeline.... Problem is I might be a kid in a candy shop... Catback exhaust for sure... I've heard the Cobb short throw is a bitch and has to be fine tuned into adjustment. Thanks for the feedback though! Bobby is at Silverline now, good call by the owner to bring in some quality people in their shop.
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Old 07-16-2014, 12:33 AM   #8
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If you know the guys at silverline, Bobby is over there now and is a great tech. Otherwise there is HMS in Sherwood. Great shop and fair price
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Old 07-16-2014, 01:54 AM   #9
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If you know the guys at silverline, Bobby is over there now and is a great tech. Otherwise there is HMS in Sherwood. Great shop and fair price
I wouldn't go to silverline. I'm on my second car from them. It spent over a week in the shop there and it still wasn't fixed. Anywhere else would probably do better. Nothing against Bobby.... But when I went to drop my car off, they had someone else's car on a "lift" aka a forklift....

Ne horosho no good. Go anywhere else.
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Old 07-16-2014, 01:21 PM   #10
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I wouldn't go to silverline. I'm on my second car from them. It spent over a week in the shop there and it still wasn't fixed. Anywhere else would probably do better. Nothing against Bobby.... But when I went to drop my car off, they had someone else's car on a "lift" aka a forklift....

Ne horosho no good. Go anywhere else.
Well I'm not getting it tuned there, they don't have a dyno and they aren't doing custom tunes. Here's to hoping that was a parts car! You weren't the first owner of a wrb 05 with 15k on the chassis were you? I fully knew what I was stepping in to with Silverline... plus buying used STIs means $$ will need to be spent. I am prepared for issues (as long as they aren't major lol).
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Old 07-16-2014, 03:34 PM   #11
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Old 07-16-2014, 03:49 PM   #12
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FYI Surgeline can get any parts you want.
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Old 07-16-2014, 03:56 PM   #13
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PRE i wouldnt trust to do anything on my car i use to go there all the time cause me and bobby who is now at silverline are good friends pre forgot to put my motor mount nuts on ran my car into a lift and messed up my front bumper and broke me lip they have horriable customer service and i would never let them touch my car again i would go to surgline for if it was between those to but me i go to silverline and bobby is an awesome tuner i would love it if silverline got a dyno bobby is the only person who will ever tune any of my cars but thats just my personal experience
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Old 07-16-2014, 04:29 PM   #14
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Yeah I know a few things might need work when buying a used car but definitely not a differential, transmission, and a few other things, then still have it not be fixed. Luckily they were able to exchange my car for a different one that's better but I still wouldn't recommend them. On my 5th temp tag and still no title when we paid off the car almost 3 months ago now. I hope they never start tuning.. for everyones sake.
Did you finance the car? If so it'll be the lender that is responsible in getting you the title. If you bought it cash then yeah that is way too long, but the DMV is taking years to get registration and titling done. Sorry you had the bad experience... I know silverline has been trying hard to turn their image around from the days when they were putting together cars with the wrong parts. I have respect to what they are doing now, but I would be pissed too with the experience you had.
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wait...putting together cars with the wrong parts.... you mean they're putting together cars with the right parts?

Every time I look at silverlines page, every single car is salvaged title. No thanks.
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I second English, went their a few months ago, well worth it.
Otherwise Surgeline.

I got my car at Silverline recently too, I know Bobby there, they have been very helpful
Lucas English definitely knows his Evo's- probably, the top Evo tuner in the US.

Surgeline and PRE are well great shops who are established and well respected.

With that said, from my experience, Surgeline and PRE were more expensive.

If I was near portland and wanted a great shop for a fair price- I'd look into Silverline Automotive. They have changed a lot, got Bobby (who is well respected, to run the repair shop), stopped buying salvage title cars from what I have heard, changed locations, changed a lot of the staff too. I respect what they are doing and have a lot of friends use them for repairs- and I have bought several cars without any issues from them too.

Since, I am up in Seattle, I drive 30 miles south to Tacoma to have my car serviced at PIA- which is the best shop in WA as far as I have experienced. PIA also has been working on subies longer than anyone else (I'm talking decades more experience)...

For custom tuning, buy the parts online from the cheapest respected vendor (and this is only my opinion) and get tuned at Surgeline (if using Cobb's AP) in Portland and PIA in WA.

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Old 07-17-2014, 02:48 AM   #17
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Lucas English definitely knows his Evo's- probably, the top Evo tuner in the US.

Surgeline and PRE are well great shops who are established and well respected.

With that said, from my experience, Surgeline and PRE were more expensive.

If I was near portland and wanted a great shop for a fair price- I'd look into Silverline Automotive. They have changed a lot, got Bobby (who is well respected, to run the repair shop), stopped buying salvage title cars from what I have heard, changed locations, changed a lot of the staff too. I respect what they are doing and have a lot of friends use them for repairs- and I have bought several cars without any issues from them too.

Since, I am up in Seattle, I drive 30 miles south to Tacoma to have my car serviced at PIA- which is the best shop in WA as far as I have experienced. PIA also has been working on subies longer than anyone else (I'm talking decades more experience)...

For custom tuning, buy the parts online from the cheapest respected vendor (and this is only my opinion) and get tuned at Surgeline (if using Cobb's AP) in Portland and PIA in WA.
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On point. Got my car at Silverline, its clean. Will buy more from them, and turns out a high school buddy of mine works at Surgeline (Portland is a small town I swear) and has nothing but respect for Bobby. I will be going to Surgeline on Wednesday to price compare exhaust, short throw, and new TMIC.
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Old 07-17-2014, 06:06 PM   #18
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Having dealt with a large number of shops in town I will say Surgeline is the only place to take it. Lance and the rest of the crew are very good at what they do. PRE ****ed my car up by half assing the install and tuning it with major boost leaks I.E. didn't trim my heat shield and it cut my EWG lines causing boost issues and super ****ty tune. It's not Bobby's fault at all and the tech Zach that did such a fine job works for English now so I won't take my car near there.
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:59 AM   #19
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A great shop with an even better reputation is Horizontal Motorsports. They are located in Tualatin and I am really surprised no one has mentioned them on here because if you check the facebook group pages and ask this same question they are usually the shop with the most recomendations (followed closely by Cobb).
Personally I would not go to PRE due to the numerous horror stories I have heard about and I didn't like prices Cobb qouted me.
Horizontal is a Subaru only shop with a great group of guys there. Steve Hamann has been building Subie engines for many years (more than most other tuners have been alive lol) and his builds are amazing quality. I believe that he used to build for Subaru but my memory is not what it once was.
I encourage you to ask around about HMS and I am sure you will find that they have a better reputation than the other shops in the PNW and they have very reasonable prices.
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Old 07-19-2014, 01:46 AM   #20
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I can't recommend PRE, too many bad stories from there, seen it firsthand.
Can't recommend Silverline either, personally seen their shady ways, hacked together cars, illegal title modifications, etc.
I can only recommend Surgeline, from personal experience. Know all the guys there, and every single one of them is great. They do it right or they don't do it at all.

I have not worked with Horizontal or English Racing, but heard good things about them. YMMV
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Old 07-19-2014, 10:19 PM   #21
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I have been tuned by MPS, PIA, and English Racing and would recommend English if you are looking for a shop in thr Portland area. They don't charge $90 either for a pre inspection. In fact I have never been charged for a pre dyno inspection at any shop, that should be included in the cost of the dyno tune in my opinion...
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Old 07-19-2014, 11:09 PM   #22
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I took my last car to pre and they did a great job with all of the installs, but I installed my injectors, turbo fuel pump and large intercooler then took it to them to replace the clutch and flywheel. There was a bad hesitation and you would think they would know with the hundreds of subies they have done, but I had to replace the MAF and the upstream O2 sensor, mind you there has been multiple road tests during this 2 month period, finally they said the only other thing it could be now that you have $600 in sensors is the TGV deletes. This did fix my problem but me not understanding at the time that the TGVs act as fuel collectors with the large injectors I was running. You would think they would have run into something like this before me. I would still go to them because surgeline makes you get an AP before a tune then charges you for a custom tune so really it will cost you almost 1k to tune your car. I know quite a bit about Luke english's projects even back in high school he had fast cars let alone all of his experience since then, so I'm sure he is great.
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Old 07-20-2014, 01:17 AM   #23
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check out AMP Auto Tech in Aloha. Been doing subaru's for a long time! Best labor rates in town!

www.ampautotech.com
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No feedback on Perrin?
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Old 07-20-2014, 12:30 PM   #25
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A great shop with an even better reputation is Horizontal Motorsports. They are located in Tualatin and I am really surprised no one has mentioned them on here because if you check the facebook group pages and ask this same question they are usually the shop with the most recomendations (followed closely by Cobb).
Personally I would not go to PRE due to the numerous horror stories I have heard about and I didn't like prices Cobb qouted me.
Horizontal is a Subaru only shop with a great group of guys there. Steve Hamann has been building Subie engines for many years (more than most other tuners have been alive lol) and his builds are amazing quality. I believe that he used to build for Subaru but my memory is not what it once was.
I encourage you to ask around about HMS and I am sure you will find that they have a better reputation than the other shops in the PNW and they have very reasonable prices.

I mentioned them a while back in this post. FYI tho they are in Sherwood now, they moved to a bigger shop

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