Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday July 24, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > Car Care & Detailing

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-06-2002, 07:57 PM   #1
skimpreza
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 27178
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Alberta, Canada
Vehicle:
2003 impreza wrx
blue

Default Zaino polish or 3M?

Has anyone encountered brush scratches from washing their car at a car wash? I realize now that washing with a brush was about the single dumbest thing I've done... Should have used a sponge. It's the worst feeling in the world putting in some time to get your car's exterior looking shiny again and you realize upon drying it that all that time was actually hurting your car. I would have been better off going through a drive thru soft cloth wash! The scratches are usually only visible under flourescent light or a bright spotlight but still they are there and driving me crazy.
I've read a few posts here regarding some products that might alleviate this. Zaino Bros polish and 3M polish to name a few. Do these really work? I don't want to shell out $300 for a Ming protective coat, which they say should polish off all the scratches, but I don't want to waste my money on worthless polishes either.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Skim
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
skimpreza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2002, 10:22 PM   #2
osu s2k
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 28174
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: georgia
Vehicle:
2001 s2000

Default

the s2ki.com website is big on the zaino thing, i ran into a similar situation with my s2000, the best products i found were the 3m swirll remover for dark cars, followed by a coat of z1,z5,thenz2, i tried the 3m polishes and glazes and found them much harder to work with by hand, i think they are the chose for body shops ect. who do a lot a machine work. the zaino stuff is extremely easy to apply and take off and does a spectucular job, not cheap but definitely not stupid expensive like some zymol products.,
osu s2k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2002, 10:37 PM   #3
Javabean2
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 9752
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Berkeley
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Wagon
Silver

Default

Zaino is preferred by BMW, NSX, S2K, and WRX enthusiasts world-wide (commercial enough for ya?)!

But seriously, the stuff is awesome. The only thing is Z5 (the swirl remover) isn't quite as good with a single coat (you can/should do multiple coats of Z2/Z5 if you have time) so it might be looking into the 3M stuff, but the polish and shine enhancer simply can't be beat. The finish is glassy wet and ice-smooth, and it'll help keep most anything off of the paint.
Javabean2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2002, 11:30 PM   #4
gtguy
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 2184
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Highland Park, Ill., USA
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT wagon
Platinum Silver Metallic

Default

If you have actual scratches in the finish, you want to safely remove them, not hide them. Some frisky chipmunks put some scratches in my silver wagon, prompting me to order the machine polishing kit from Griot's Garage. It took the scratches out, leaving a glass-smooth finish. Follow it with wax, and it's beautiful again. My almost two-year-old car looks better than new WRXes.

Best of all, the kit is idiot-proof, and you can't burn the paint.

Kevin
gtguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2002, 02:44 AM   #5
Sir_Xenon
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 9666
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Toronto
Vehicle:
02 WRX
Ver. 7 STi swap'd bugeye

Lightbulb yeah the paint

The fact that he paint is soft is a well documented thing on I-club. Simply put, the paint scratches very very easily.

I sprang about 400 of your US dollars and put the 3M chip guard on the entire side of the car; the doors, fenders and rear quarters. Basically any vertical surface. Now I drive on dirt/muck/snow with impunity. Just do that you'll have no worries and your paint will look almost like new forever. And do the front bumber and the front of the hood while you're at it.

It's stupid but it works. Why not just get a plastic car? But we didn't buy the car to polish the crap out of it, right?
Sir_Xenon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2002, 03:23 AM   #6
skimpreza
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 27178
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Alberta, Canada
Vehicle:
2003 impreza wrx
blue

Default

Thanks for all your help guys! That Zainos stuff sounds amazing but not sure it's enough for the scratches. The Griot's machine polishing kit sounds promising but it is $300 U.S with the polisher. If I'm going to spend that much, I think I'll go with the Ming protection. It sounds about the equivelent to the 3M chip guard that Sir_Xenon mentioned and it is guaranteed for 7 years.
skimpreza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2002, 04:52 AM   #7
Frederf
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 15622
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Campbell, CA
Vehicle:
2002 WRX SW
WRB

Default

Hi. I'm from Autopia.org which is like iClub but we talk about waxes, polishes, tire dressings, you name it instead of Subarus. The information in the site and on the forums is staggering.

3M is a brand. They make various products for automotive paint. I own quite a few of them. The levels of products go from Rubbing Compound at the most agressing to Fine Cut Rubbing Compound, to Finesse It 2 Finishing Material (Previous three are enough to remove small scratches/swirls), to Swirl Mark Remover, to finally Imperial Hand Glaze (hiding stuff, SMR can remove a bit, but not much).

I'd suggest FI2 for your problem. Available at the Pep Boys near me.

Zanio is a wonderful, professional product that has a devout following from many Autopia members. The whole system used correctly provides a rediculous mirror-like shine (not quite as much depth as natural wax, but your priorities may differ) and a very smooth surface. It's a synthetic system that lasts about 6 mo a coating and can be layered for increased results (I have a pic of a Pontiac with 199 coats, super-shiney). The thing that Zanio does it is fills in swirls, brush marks effectivly and can fully (and for a long time) fill in the marks in 1-3 coats. Good stuff, especially with winter coming.

The thing about Griot's Polisher (Porter Cable 7224 with acces.) is that it's waaay overpriced. You can get the PC from Coastal Tool with the extras required for polishing for about $120 plus some very reasonable shipping (except the 6" velcro backed pads, it comes with one but it ain't that great).

The "PC" (as it's called on Autopia) is a good investment for actual resuts that will save quite a bit of time if you're looking for a mark free finish. You could try it by hand, but it'd take so much time that $150 would seem cheap in comparison to the time you wasted.

Good price on a PC.
http://www.coastaltool.com/cgi-bin/S...e54+1036716401

Some good pads:
http://www.properautocare.com/orangepowerpad.html
Frederf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2002, 06:25 AM   #8
VetteVert
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5961
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boone, NC
Vehicle:
2005 STi
CGM

Default

WARNING don't go to autopia. You will end up spending over $300 in two weeks on car car products, just like I did

The post above should really help you out, but I tend to want to start with the least abrasive product, and move to something harsher if that doesn't work. My 3m SMR (swirl mark remover, part # 39009) for dark paints should be here today, and I plan to start with it and move to FI2 if necessary, then back to SMR. I also have the PC, with the advanced pad kit from CMA (the properautocare link posted above). I ordered lots of P21S, 3M, and Zaino products to try. We'll see how it goes

If you do go to autopia, be sure to read the acronym list first

VV
VetteVert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2002, 08:43 AM   #9
SubaruPilot
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 10461
Join Date: Sep 2001
Default

Z A I N O . <----period
SubaruPilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2002, 09:13 AM   #10
XROLLER
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1273
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: O'fallon Mo.
Vehicle:
98 Impreza
RBP

Default I swear by......

3m glazes, it's not hard to use, yes you do have to work with it more but the result is hands down the best. I wish i had some pictures of veicles but i've taken dead paint and brought it back to life with 3m glazes. I bought a cheap buffer from i think walmart? for 50-60 bucks and it doesn't take much to do the job so you'll get your money out of the bottle.
XROLLER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2002, 09:36 AM   #11
jamz
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 8725
Join Date: Jul 2001
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Portland MAINE
Vehicle:
2013 Black Company
Annalist

Default

I've heard great stuff about Zaino, but haven't tried it yet.
jamz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2002, 12:17 PM   #12
gtguy
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 2184
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Highland Park, Ill., USA
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT wagon
Platinum Silver Metallic

Default

I dunno about the Griot's kit being way overpriced, Frederf. I got mine for about $250, and it included the buffer, Griot's idiot-proof backing plate, pads for polishing and wax, wax and polish, a very good detailing handbook and cloths to remove the wax and polish. I thought it was a pretty good deal, and still do, even though the price has gone up a bit.

I suppose there is, if you price everything out individually, a bit of a surcharge for the convenience of making the whole deal impossible to screw up, but I rather like that!

Kevin
gtguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2002, 01:28 PM   #13
pillaka
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 16659
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Middletown, NJ
Vehicle:
2005 WRX Wagon

Default

!Never take your car to a car wash!

I personally use the 3M stuff, just the polishes though. On my car first I used a clay bar, then the fine cut (to get through deep scratches), then the swirl remover, and finally the hand glaze. The glaze did wonders in removing practically every little imperfection on the paint. After I was finished I put on two coats of meguires. When I took it out in the sun the next morning, no scratches! I had the car perfect, after I washed it with my clean mitt though, it had little swirls again.

pillaka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2002, 02:18 PM   #14
Frederf
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 15622
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Campbell, CA
Vehicle:
2002 WRX SW
WRB

Default

Nice! I like the 3M stuff myself (have FCRC, FI2, and IHG). It is true that 3M polishes take more working than normal every time you "use" the product.

$250 is a good price for what you got.
Frederf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2002, 06:28 PM   #15
thejean
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17763
Join Date: Apr 2002
Chapter/Region: W. Canada
Location: Calgary, AB
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by SubaruPilot
Z A I N O . <----period
Ditto. I just did my first rewax after 6 months and there was a noticeable difference where I stripped the polish with Dawn and where the polish was still on the car. Basically, still beading after 6 months in my wind and rain battered climate speaks volumes about this product. Plus, it really saved me from a latex paint splatter incident. Can't say enough good things about it. Plus, it smells really good for some reason.

jc
thejean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2002, 09:08 PM   #16
Zola
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 16876
Join Date: Mar 2002
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: St Paul, MN
Vehicle:
2002 Impreza WRX
WR Blue

Default

Hehe, it DOES smell good. I need to wash my applicators but I kind of don't want to because I like the smell. I have a layer of Z2 and two layers of Z5 on so far, the car looks about ten times better than the day I took possession of it.
Zola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2002, 10:33 PM   #17
WillRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 11741
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: International
Location: Love it or...
Vehicle:
2008 2.0D Legacy
Wagon NBP

Default

i really like zaino, but be prepared to use at least three coats of z5 for the scratches...as there is no abrasive, its safe, but it takes a while to build up enough to fill the scratches. Follow ALL the advice on their website, it'll save a lot of trouble.

I just washed my car for the first time in 3 months. I am ashamed of this, but amazed at how well the zaino held up (applied in February!). I added two more coats of z5 and then one more coat of z2. It sweeeeeeeeeet! Granted, we don't have snow and stuff, but salty air and lots of poopy birds really test a wax/sealer.

WillRX
WillRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2002, 02:12 AM   #18
Frederf
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 15622
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Campbell, CA
Vehicle:
2002 WRX SW
WRB

Default

I would urge anyone who doesn't have a whole mass of natural polishes/waxes like myself (just starting out) to buy the complete Zanio kit. You will be impressed with the results.
Frederf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2002, 03:29 PM   #19
cantex
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 9611
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: katy
Default Zaino

I used to be a big Zaino fan, but got tired of having to rewax the every 3 weeks. The layers of wax go on very thin.
Now I'll try the 3M.
cantex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2002, 03:59 PM   #20
thejean
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17763
Join Date: Apr 2002
Chapter/Region: W. Canada
Location: Calgary, AB
Default Re: Zaino

Quote:
Originally posted by cantex
I used to be a big Zaino fan, but got tired of having to rewax the every 3 weeks. The layers of wax go on very thin.
Now I'll try the 3M.
Stange, mine lasted six months and would have lasted longer had I not stripped it and reapplied it. I also live in Eastern Canada where my car is regularly subjected to rain, wind and a seaside climate. I put on two coats though and let it dry pretty good before buffing. Pretty darn hard to buff off once it dries real good though.

EDIT: Plus, I don't have a garage to park my car in at home or at work.
thejean is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Zaino Polish rocks! mattjk Interior & Exterior Modification 21 11-07-2006 04:53 PM
Who speaks Polish or can translate English into Polish? WR^2X Off-Topic 15 12-27-2004 08:03 PM
Places that sell Zaino kits or parts local? AcquaCow Mid Atlantic Impreza Club -- MAIC 16 10-07-2004 02:38 PM
ZAINO polish is AMAZING! essogas Car Care & Detailing 32 09-29-2004 10:24 PM
Anyone use Mother's Clear Coat Wheel Polish or other wheel polish? Patrick Olsen Interior & Exterior Modification 6 03-04-2002 03:06 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:42 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.