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Old 11-08-2002, 12:21 PM   #1
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Default 2003 WRX vs. 2003 PT Cruiser GT

Okay, I know what you're thinking: No thought required. Well, my friend's parents decided they're going to buy him a car in the 20-25k range. He has been looking at the PT Cruiser turbo, which is around 23k if he could get a decent deal. So, naturally, when he asked for my help in getting a car, I suggested the WRX. What I need your help with is convincing him to go Subaru over PT Cruiser. In my opinion, Chrysler's are crap, like most other American manufactured cars. What benefit would the WRX have over the PT? So far I have dependability (damn that motor is strong).

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Old 11-08-2002, 12:25 PM   #2
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Hi.........tell him its a PTcruiser............and show him pictures...................over.......over and over.......untill he realizes that its fugly....... I know he knows how it looks but maybe he's is blinded by its turbo, just keep on showing him pictures!!!
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Old 11-08-2002, 12:28 PM   #3
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First of all, do you live where it snows or rains a lot? If so, the WRX has a huge advantage with its AWD. You can easily get into a WRX for under $23K. The wrx will out-handle the PT any time, especially if it's the least bit wet/snowy/icy out. Also, if I'm not mistaken, PT cruiser turbos only come in autos for 2003. My cousin works at a Chrysler dealership and he has yet to see a 5-speed turbo pt. He says they're not bad, but not worth what they ask for it. Have your friend drive both. That should make up his mind.
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Old 11-08-2002, 12:31 PM   #4
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PT Cruiser = ugly as sin
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Old 11-08-2002, 12:39 PM   #5
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I think it's ugly too. I'm not sure why anybody would want one of those things. Hehe, I dunno, I like my GTI, but I think I'd swap it for the WRX if I had the chance. It just started raining yesterday and I can't accelerate without spinning tires. :P
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Old 11-08-2002, 12:49 PM   #6
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I was actually considering the PT before I found out about the WRX (I think it is a nice looking car). The problem then was that it was gutless and drove like a tank. Plus, it is FWD which I don't really like to drive.

The turbo helps in the power department but on top of the reliability issue they are a dime a dozen. You see them everywhere. One reason why I like the WRX is that it has a unique look and there just aren't that many around (unless you count the Neons it looks like, good thing they don't make a Neon wagon!) If you think you see a lot of WRX's around, look and see how many PT Cruisers there are.

If I am not mistaken, it has the same drive train and engine as the new Neon turbo. Maybe your friend might want to consider that if he wants a Chrysler.
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Old 11-08-2002, 01:13 PM   #7
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Yes, same engine and drivetrain as the new neon SRT4. The neon is quite a bit lighter too I'm sure. Plus, the SRT4 is only available in a 5-speed (the way it should be!). Not to mention the Neon will cost at least $3000 less.
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Old 11-08-2002, 01:21 PM   #8
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I understand the dilema. I had to rent a PT for a month and I sorta grew to like it. It's one of the ugliest things I've ever seen, but the inside is nice (considering I have a tiny, no trunk having RS). BUT remember, it has a FF layout. The last time I owned a FF car was in 1993 and I swore never to drive another. AND related to Mercedes or not, it's still a stinking Chrysler (who also builds such wonderful performance cars as the Neon )

I say if he wan't the leather seats and cargo room, save some money and just buy the base PT, cause turbo or not it still isn't a performance vehicle (just cause it's in GT3 doesn't make it a sports car). If he wan't something sporty, they go Subie (even a Forrester would be better IMHO)
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Old 11-08-2002, 01:33 PM   #9
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I actually think the PT cruiser looks nice, but think you'd get tired of seeing it every day. And they ARE all over the place.
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Old 11-08-2002, 02:16 PM   #10
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I owned at PT for a year before I bought my REX and I can tell you that it appeared to be very high quality automobile. I was very surprised - it being a Chrysler and all. Very smooth, quiet over railroad tracks and a great highway cruiser. (The paint job was certainly much better than my REX too). No rattles, no squeaks, very nice "sound" when you close the doors. The ability to carry so much stuff was pretty nice too - you could put three mountain bikes inside if you folded the back seats down.

I have always been a subaru person however (owned 4 before REX) and when the WRX came out, there was no question that the PT had to go. I traded it in for exactly what I paid for it (at that time PT's were still rare) - the WRX is much, much more fun and nearly as practical.
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Old 11-08-2002, 02:58 PM   #11
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Yes, same engine and drivetrain as the new neon SRT4. The neon is quite a bit lighter too I'm sure.
'zactly!
If want a quick fwd car, the new Neon is on the top of the pack!

I also think it's funny how a lot of us Subaru people call other cars ugly! I love my car and it's looks have grown on me, but hey, it's kind of funny lookin'!
The PT Cruiser is a cool looking rig, but they are far too common...
I've never driven a PT, but I have to believe the WRX will be loads more fun to drive.
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Old 11-08-2002, 03:09 PM   #12
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PT Cruiser = ugly as sin
pssst... lots of people think the WRX is ugly too. Not a very valid point.

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Old 11-08-2002, 04:04 PM   #13
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To convince him to get hte Rex, take him for a drive on some back-country roads. Simple.
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Old 11-08-2002, 04:53 PM   #14
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Obviously this guy is not much of a car enthusiast. I would rather drive a Beetle Turbo S than a PT Cruiser and I would never drive a Beetle so there you go. Everyone has their own opinions, but for that price range, there are so many cool cars......the PT just isn't that cool. Mini, Mazdaspeed Protege, GTI, JLI, SVT Focus, SRT-4........IMO the WRX is on a whole nother level above these cars.
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Old 11-08-2002, 05:20 PM   #15
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Default WRX wagon vs PT Cruiser

WRX advantages include:

1. Performance
2. Handling, Steering feel and AWD all-weather capability
3. Japanese reliability and build quality
4. Resale Value



PT Cruiser advantages include:

1. Err...
2. Umm...
3. Well...
4. I know, I know...it is owned by the same people who make Mercedes. That MUST count for something...right?
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Old 11-08-2002, 05:42 PM   #16
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WRX advantages include:
I know...it is owned by the same people who make Mercedes. That MUST count for something...right?
I've heard in Germany when prouncing Dahmer/Chrystler the Chrystler is silent...

I do think they have the 7/70 engine/drivetrain warenty...
I honestly can't recomend any dodge/plymouth/chrystler product to any one... (do you realy want to hear the horror stories?)
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Old 11-08-2002, 07:29 PM   #17
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All u have 2 tell him is 0-60 = 5.4 secs on WRX!
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Old 11-08-2002, 10:20 PM   #18
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I also have to laugh at people on i-club raggin on other cars for being ugly

However, remember that the PT Cruiser is more of a fad car - it was designed to look trendy and retro, but such cars tend to become dated much more quickly than "normal" models.

Everyone's got the performance aspects down, but consider the practical points.

The mpg for both cars is the same, but the WRX has a slightly bigger tank. It's also got a smaller turning radius, more ground clearance, and of course awd.

Also, I can't believe the Cruiser is described as "good for hauling stuff." There's absolutely no trunk space with the rear seats up, and you'll probably find more utility out of the WRX wagon on a daily basis.
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Old 11-08-2002, 11:24 PM   #19
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Hi.........tell him its a PTcruiser............and show him pictures...................over.......over and over.......untill he realizes that its fugly....... I know he knows how it looks but maybe he's is blinded by its turbo, just keep on showing him pictures!!!

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Old 11-09-2002, 12:27 AM   #20
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We went and looked at both tonight. Man, I can't get into that PT..not my style. The Chrysler salesman was ripping my friend: "Usually only older people like these things. Why would you want it?"

We went and test drove the WRX and his main beef is that there is no room in the back seat. I had the same argument when I bought my GTI but reasoned, "Well, if I'm giving four people a ride somewhere, they should be happy they're getting a ride in the first place. I don't care for their comfort."

Damn, I can't believe he's going to pass up an opportunity for a FREE WRX!!! Yeah, his parents are getting him a new car as a gift for getting ready for grad school. :P
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Old 11-09-2002, 11:41 AM   #21
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I would push him on the PT Cruiser because his judgement is obviosly impared. Flame on, but you have to be on something if it would be a difficult decision between a PT Cruiser Turbo or a WRX. At least for me it's something I wouldn't ponder over for even a second. WRX is a sports car with four doors and the PT Cruiser is a Neon with different sheetmetal.
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Old 11-09-2002, 03:15 PM   #22
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pssst... lots of people think the WRX is ugly too. Not a very valid point.

[edit] speeling
I was thingking the exact same thing, but then really thought about it and, well,

The wrx is ugly, but not as ugly as a PT cruiser.
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Old 11-09-2002, 09:43 PM   #23
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He came to his senses last night. He now has a silver WRX sitting in his driveway. I am going to point him to these forums, so I suppose y'all will see him here before long. Thanks for all the help everybody!
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Old 11-10-2002, 12:09 AM   #24
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I think that the PT Cruiser with turbo is going to be a nice car, frankly. I really dig the way they look and if you beef up the power, brakes and handling as Chrysler has done, in addition to putting bigger wheels/rubber on the car, how can you go wrong?

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Old 11-10-2002, 01:10 AM   #25
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If all he is interested in is driving to the mall etc., then let him go with the PT, if he has an ounce of driving enthusiasm in his body and has any plans to take it to the track then it is a no-brainer - obviously the wrx.

I wouldn't worry about looks and the rest of that superficil stuff as that is in the eye of the beholder.
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