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Old 11-09-2002, 10:11 PM   #1
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Hey all,

Well I'm trying to hook up and amplifier in my '97 Legacy GT. I want to run the power and RCA cables under the trim on the base of the door openings but I cannot see how these plastic panels get removed. They are on very securly but I don't know if screws are involved.

Any suggestions here? Should I just pull really hard? Flatblade screwdriver? Thoughts?

Also, I did a search on amplifier wiring and I'm trying to use the grommit that is close to the stock wiring but it is a pain to try to route it up over the stock splitloom in the fender. ANyone have any experience and/or thoughts on the wiring of the power for the amp? I'm guessing i should try a snake?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks

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Old 11-09-2002, 10:46 PM   #2
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Talking Door Sill?

If you're actually talking about the door sills, they are simple to remove! You just have to get a screwdriver or something similar under them and pry upward. Don't worry about screws as the door sill is held in by the same plastic clips that hold in your A-pillar trim, the trim around the top of the doors, your door trim, etc. I have the entire interior out of my car right now (including the carpet) so I can tell you it's not that hard!

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Old 11-09-2002, 10:57 PM   #3
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Post A pic with the trim removed



Hope that helps,
-Erik

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Old 11-10-2002, 12:46 AM   #4
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So just a big flathead and they'll pop up?

What are my chances of breakin' em??

It also looks like you took all of the electronics out as well!

I would like to do that- it would free up some room! Running a cable through the fender grommit is a pain in the arse. Have you run a amp line in there yet?

Any additional thoughts??

Thanks!

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Old 11-10-2002, 03:22 AM   #5
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Hey geo, as for the amp wire I ran mine through the grommet up behind the brake pedal. As for the getting the trim off, when I put the speaker wire down the pass side I broke off all but one of those clips holding the sill on so for the amp wire I just tucked it under the sill without removing it. Still cant see any wires. Stealth style, I also wraped the red amp wire with black wire cover in the engine bay, only way to tell I have a sub and amp is to look in the trunk.
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Old 11-10-2002, 04:15 PM   #6
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I ran my power wire (the red wire you can see behind the pedals) over to the passenger side and put my fuse box on that side. The reason you can see so much of the electronics under the dash is because I removed the plastic cover underneath the steering wheel.

As for breaking the plastic clips... I've removed my door sill probably 10 different times and have yet to break any of the clips. I HAVE broken the plastic clips in other places.

Since my car is up on jackstands and still has no carpet, I'll try to get a few closer pics for you.

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Old 11-10-2002, 10:51 PM   #7
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sweet-

Thanks for the help guys. I gave up on routing the cord through the fender- I just couldn't get it snaked right.

Using the grommit right behind the brake/clutch looks good, I just have to keep it high enough so the pedals don't get to it. What are you guys thinking about using or have used to keep the amp wire out of the way? I'm thinking something like those sticky backed cord holder things. They could guide the wire up and out of harm's way.

Ok, new set of questions, what are your experiences with component systems in the front doors? I found a trim tool so I suppose I could use that to pull off the door panel. What I'm really wondering about is mounting aftermarket tweeters in the factory pods and running aftermarket wire into the doors.

For the front speakers I bought Infinity Reference Series 605cs, I can't tell from looking but can I flush mount these "inside" the factory tweeter pods??

For the wiring, I was expecting to run the new wire up the same way as the factory wire but on the driver's side it looks like the "boot" is obstructed and I haven't looked at the passenger side.
What do you see in that area RoundtheBend? Short of removing the whole interior?

Anyone else?

THanks again!

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Old 11-10-2002, 11:06 PM   #8
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I used some black zip ties to hang the amp wire out of the way.

About door speakers, before you put the door panel back on roll the window down to see if it touches the new speaker. My stereo shop said I wouldnt have any probs but the magnet was much larger than the OEM and the window wouldnt go down all the way! I had to trim the speaker opening to move the speaker towards the door hinges so the window would clear. quite an ordeal. Good luck.
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Old 11-10-2002, 11:42 PM   #9
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biggreen96-

Good idea on the zip-ties. But what did you hang them from? I'll take a look tomorrow.

Other thing- when you installed new speakers in the doors did you run new speaker wire? Any thoughts on that?

Later

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Old 11-11-2002, 12:33 AM   #10
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depends on what kind of power you are running to the new speakers, you prob want to amp a set of component speakers, especially nice ones like infinity. i have polk momo components front and rear, i mounted the front ones in the stock location, by just basically snapping the back back on the factory tweeter housing and they stayed fine, running wire is a bitch though cause you have to go through those rubber boots from the car into the door, but i had like 14 guage going to them which could be a little large, best thing to do is run a fish wire from the door through the boot then tape the wires onto that and haul them through, may need to soap them up or use silicon spray if they get hung up, or just may as well do it and make it easier. hope that helps.
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Old 11-11-2002, 12:35 AM   #11
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oh yea one more thing you have to consider where you are gonna put the crossovers too, you could prob find somewhere to mount them to the door under the panel but may take a little fabrication, i mounted all mine in the trunk, but needless to say i had to run a LOT of wire. just something to keep in mind.
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Old 11-11-2002, 01:55 AM   #12
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Ok, first things first...

Since my stereo install was going to be temporary (going on a year and a half now ) I just left the power cord hanging. The carpet covers it and the pedals don't even touch it. I don't remember seeing much to zip tie it to but I'll see what I can find.

[edit] I just checked under the dash near the grommet for something to zip tie the wire to and didn't find much as the pedals and mounts seem to be the lowest objects on the firewall. I'd love to hear what zip ties were attached to. [/edit]

As far as running new speaker wire, I never got to it. I just wanted to have a CD player and the one I had didn't have speaker outs. Again, I'll look around and see if I can find anything helpful.

-Erik (still trying to borrow a digicam)

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Old 11-11-2002, 02:17 AM   #13
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~GEO~,
As you already know, the driver's side is slightly obstructed by the fuse panel (at least on mine). The passenger side is only slightly blocked by a couple of wiring bundles which are easily moved enough to work with the foam surrounding the end of the boot (car side).

I also agree with these guys about the clearance issues. I've never replaced speakers in this car but I know people have had issues in the past.

-Erik
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Old 11-11-2002, 04:48 AM   #14
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I just ziptied the amp wire to anything up in there to keep it as far away from my feet and the pedal as possible. there are lots of wires and things to zip tie too, just get creative.
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Old 11-11-2002, 01:52 PM   #15
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The passenger side wiring to the boot.


A view of the pedals with the carpet removed.

If you need any more pics without carpet, let me know.

-Erik

ps. Amp Location
Doorsill with carpet tabs circled (the carpet snaps into these.
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Old 11-11-2002, 02:40 PM   #16
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Those are some sweet pics!

I really like the one that shows the carpet tabs as well. THat pic shows the whole wiring channel along the length of the car. Sweet.

Looking at the passenger side boot pic. OMG, how the heck do you find the speaker wires in that mess? Which opening is actually to the boot? The lower with all the foam? I bet the driver's side even looks worse right?

If you want, you can send more (subaru) interior picks to golson@awaremag.com.

Oh, one more question, can you just remove the tweeter pod? Will it just pop off or will I break something?

Thanks again all!
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Old 11-11-2002, 03:37 PM   #17
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Talking Tweeter Pod (and a pic)

Just grab the tweeter pod and pull. I just did it and it's just a couple of tabs holding it on. You then have to remove some screws to pull the actual tweeter out.


The top arrow is the wiring harness I believe to be going into the boot. The bottom arrow is for the yellow wiring harnesses. If you don't know already, those are for your airbag system. Just a warning to be careful with those.

The driver's side is similar but it looks like the fuse block partially blocking access. Shouldn't be too bad. Just be careful (dont' just yank things out) and you should be fine.
-Erik

ps. There is a similar wiring channel along the entire side of the car. Let me know if you want pics of that as well.
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Old 11-18-2002, 04:48 PM   #18
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Just an update....

Wel, thanks to everyones help here I was able to hook up my amp, and the front set of infinity component speakers.

The fronts went in without a spacer and are rated at a depth of 2-1/16" I had to really trim the splash guard to get them in however. I just hope too much water doesn't get down there.

Anyway, the tweeter pods had to be dremeled as well but I was able to fit the flush mount aftermarket install brackets inside the stock mount- looks pretty sweet.

I only broke on tab and it was on the doorsil!! I think that is good luck. Also, those cable run "channels" are sweet. Make for easy runs of protected wire.

To bad I'm having amp problems and I think I shorted something in the front right door. It could only be the amp but it might be my wiring as well.

Where are people mounting their amps? Need a solid place without the worry that I'm going to jack wires/etc beneath.

Later

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Old 11-18-2002, 07:54 PM   #19
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It's too bad you broke one of the tabs
I mounted my amps under the seats (the passenger side looks similar to this.

Of course, this was supposed to be a "temp" job so ...

-Erik

Oh, I should mention, the car "usually" has carpet so don't mind the sound deadening in the picture
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