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Old 11-17-2002, 03:59 PM   #1
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Default Another Legacy EJ20 Conversion

1999 Legacy Limited
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3"mandrel Catback
ground control agx coilovers
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This car was especially nice. It was all leather and very clean. The owner lives in Grass Valley CA.

Soon to come...a little ecu tuning
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Old 11-17-2002, 05:20 PM   #2
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beautiful.............
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Old 11-17-2002, 07:27 PM   #3
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Why are all the converted Legacies that silver color???


On another note, is the conversion that indepth where you have to rip aprt the whole dash to make the swap??
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Old 11-17-2002, 07:57 PM   #4
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Coz all the cool guys buy that color ! What kind of exhuast is on this car? Is it a custom made one or something that was made for a wrx/other subie?
I will be needing an exhuast for my 96 pretty quick. What kind of ecu/tunning is being done?
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Old 11-17-2002, 08:06 PM   #5
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Hmmm... That looks very familiar

Awesome job! I think that's #3 in the conversion club. Two by i-speed USA (green & silver) and mine (silver).
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Old 11-17-2002, 09:53 PM   #6
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ooowww all you guys with these WRX engines are torturing me. I want a pimp Legacy like you. . One day I will if the Legacy lives forever.
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Old 11-17-2002, 10:35 PM   #7
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Why are all the converted Legacies that silver color???


On another note, is the conversion that indepth where you have to rip aprt the whole dash to make the swap??
The guys at I-Speed do an amazing conversion. The dash is all apart because they re-do ALL the wiring.

Hmmmm, my car is silver.....

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Old 11-17-2002, 10:57 PM   #8
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that is SO cool.

what'd it cost (ballpark)?

was it disgressionary or did his other engine blow up?
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Old 11-17-2002, 11:20 PM   #9
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Coz all the cool guys buy that color !

werd.

That's "discretionary" monovitch.....
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Old 11-18-2002, 12:52 AM   #10
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His old 2.5 was rod-knocking somthing fierce. #4 was nil on the compression. the car sat in his driveway for over 1 year!
He had the motor already. we supplied the labor , more parts and the experience.
That car was the 7th conversion we have done in the past 11months...4 rs, 1 obs, 2 legacy.
He spent about 10k with everything.

we have a muffler shop a few doors over that does custom work fo us.

ECU tuning? currently we play with link, link plus and Utec. We are working on another unit but cannot say too much now.

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Old 11-18-2002, 03:57 AM   #11
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Why are all the converted Legacies that silver color???
Because everyone secretly knows silver is the best!

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Old 11-18-2002, 03:38 PM   #12
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Silver is the second fastest color, only Red is faster.

Chris, Im saving my pennies. You will hear from me in 8 months or so for my own swap I live near the SF Zoo and work in Fremont so Im fairly local.
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Old 11-18-2002, 04:44 PM   #13
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Damn, i wish i had a muffler shop around me that could do mandrel bends!
Oh well.
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Old 11-18-2002, 05:25 PM   #14
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I don't understand. how come all the swap is engine only? why not transmission which match turbo engine as well? rear LSD? any technical issue? or it is purely money issue?
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Old 11-18-2002, 05:35 PM   #15
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Other than the VTD on an auto how is the transmission any different? Im not sure how the connections for the VTD 4EAT are but it seems like it would be alot of extra work just to get the new center diff. Id rather just grab the transmission out of a low mileage car and use that so that no modifications are needed.

If you are referring to the 02 WRX 5mt as being stronger some how then you are mistaken, other than ratios I dont know of any significant changes between it and say a 97 legacy gt.
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Old 11-18-2002, 05:47 PM   #16
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yes, I am talking about the WRX gear ratio which is more suited for turbo car...

well.. I know NA stock transmission ratio will make the car accelerate faster but driving in hwy won't be nice... or top speed is limited.

actually, my ideal transmission choice would be STI 6 speed (if I can afford it, ok , save up for engine swap first)... just want to know if there is any technical issue about the 6 speed swap.
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Old 11-18-2002, 06:04 PM   #17
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If you mean by technical issue, replacing pretty much the entire drivetrain, then thats gonna be a yes. IMO upgrading to a 6speed is gonna be more expensive than the engine swap. The 6speed uses different axles, hubs and knuckles and everthing in between.
Big job, big money. I just wonder if our 5 speeds are so weak why the B4s and Gt-bs are using them reliably?

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Old 11-18-2002, 06:30 PM   #18
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the 5 speeds aren't weak unless you are dropping the clutch from 5k or street racing.

You could also get a Chalex hardened gearbox which is good for like 350-500 hp (forget how many, but it's alot).
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Old 11-18-2002, 07:05 PM   #19
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I stand corrected. Looks like the 6speed swap is not as involved as I thought. I guess you can kinda selectively pick what you want to carry over. The list of required parts is fairly short. Here's an interesting thread on the subject:http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=272184

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Old 11-18-2002, 07:09 PM   #20
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TRUTH: Swapping out the tranny in completely unnecessary in a basic USDM swap. The 2.2 and 2.5 trannies can handle the load quite well. Lets take my 97 OBS as an example. I bought it with 94k on it. I did the swap, kept the STOCK tranny and now have 107K on the car. The OBS was dynoed at 255WHP about 4 months ago). The stock 2.2 tranny was handling 135hp at the crank. Now itís handling about 290 at the crank (thatís a guess). The point isÖI can still use and drive the car fine. The first 2 gears are similar to thr 2.5 tranny and the last three gears are similar to the 2.0 tranny. My only complaint is tha the 97 2.2 tranny I have has some bad syncros, itís not LSD, and Iím sure the tranny fluid has never been changed.
WHY do ALL this!? Because I can! I want to know how much these trannies can actually take.
So far it seems to hold up pretty well. What could you expect out of an old dog like mine?
All these tranny issues I hear about, plus my and all the other conversion car tranny experiences, have lead me to conclude that the trannies are fine. Itís the HONDA style driving techniques used in the subarus that are ruining the transmissions.

My 2 pennies
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Old 11-19-2002, 05:08 AM   #21
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Please do not bash Honda, Honda makes very good trannies from my experience. I think there are more people blowing up Subaru trannies than Honda
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Old 11-19-2002, 09:53 AM   #22
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Man, you guy and your Conversion are making me cry....


That fist pic... WOW lata work.


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Old 11-19-2002, 12:01 PM   #23
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I think Chris is not speaking of how well Honda builds their trannys, but how some of their owners drive. I have tended to see a bunch of this in my area, the honda, most of them that do this, riced out, tend to rev high and drop the clutch relatively quickly. I agree Honda does build a good car, but with stunts like that on stock trannys, you are bound to have problems. The reason more people are likely blowing Subaru tranny is because spreading the power to 4 wheels, there is more chance of traction than slippage and something has to give. The Honda may be more prone to letting the wheels loose.

On another note, the '99 Legacy GT Limited is sweet! I wish I had the means to build me one. I would have mounted the 17x7" UK OEM's instead though and put STi 4-pots up front with vented rear brakes, viscous LSD's front and rear and some nice suspension bits, though coil-overs need not apply in my case. I love the silver, what a sleeper! Lets see some more pics of everyone elses modded BD Legacy GT's!
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Old 11-19-2002, 05:01 PM   #24
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Correct. I do not bash Hondas. I was commenting on the style of driving that most Honda owners subscribe to. That same style is not suited for the wrx...that is all.


I just noticed that I forgot to mention that we also put wilwood front 4-pots with dba slotted rotors on that legacy.
That car has go and stop power now
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Old 11-19-2002, 09:21 PM   #25
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Wow, what a bird's nest of wires! Don't think i wanna give this a try anytime soon.
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