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Old 11-19-2002, 02:46 PM   #1
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Old 11-19-2002, 03:14 PM   #2
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good read!
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Old 11-19-2002, 03:40 PM   #3
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Agreed. Definitely worth a few momments to read.
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Old 11-19-2002, 03:57 PM   #4
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Thumbs up Great read

I have met Mr. Wes Fung, he took me to the car lot where my brothers car was being stored temporarily after he was killed in a vicious car accident in March of this year. This man really knows what he is talking about and he has the compassion that is needed to perform his job better than any officer I have ever met.

I could not agree more with his views. Even though I now own a nicely modified car.

I hope everyone in this forum reads this article and takes it to heart and passes it on to all their friends.

We all need to keep our speed in check on public roads and be accountable for our actions.

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Old 11-19-2002, 04:02 PM   #5
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"By contrast, many of today's youth are given high-powered vehicles by parents who have limited involvement in the lives of their children. It is human nature that when you work to achieve a goal, you appreciate and respect the effort and time involved. Conversely, if you are given everything you develop no appreciation or respect for anyone or anything."

Don't mean to jump into your region......but that's one of the best essays I've read.
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Old 11-19-2002, 04:57 PM   #6
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Good article.. his concerns and determination for a solution are quite evident.

But again they are barking up the wrong tree... it is not about modified cars and never has. Its about driver education..
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Old 11-19-2002, 05:16 PM   #7
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But that's the thing though, he didn't point his finger to one particular thing. It's not just driver education, it's not just the youth or the parents, it's not just our laws, etc. etc. It's a combination of all these things and more, and it's not gonna change overnight. But if we as a community take the proper steps and do our own part , the problem can be solved.
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Old 11-19-2002, 05:23 PM   #8
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there is a big paragraph about how modified cars contribute to the problem and illegal modifications and stuff like that.

that is completely bs to me. a beater car can kill someone just as easily has a souped up civic. there shouldnt even be any issue with regards to modified cars.

the cops need to generalize and point the finger at a certain group..

maybe my opinion is biased.. but when have you seen a modified car kill anyone in the lower mainland?
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Old 11-19-2002, 05:29 PM   #9
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there is a big paragraph about how modified cars contribute to the problem and illegal modifications and stuff like that.

that is completely bs to me. a beater car can kill someone just as easily has a souped up civic. there shouldnt even be any issue with regards to modified cars.

the cops need to generalize and point the finger at a certain group..

maybe my opinion is biased.. but when have you seen a modified car kill anyone in the lower mainland?
Would you argue his point that mods give the owner incentive to take it out and "test the limits?" You're average Beater GT is probably just happy to have a ride, and doesn't want to embarrass himself in public

As far as his suggestion about annual engine inspections, though: I lived in Japan in the mid-80's, where the authorities held an annual engine mod/safety inspection. The street racers had entirely different drivetrains...they would pop in Stock for the inspection, then immediately drop back in the Vroom afterward. Kids with the kind of money he's talking about would have no problems circumventing compliance inspections, unless they were random.
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Old 11-19-2002, 06:18 PM   #10
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As far as his suggestion about annual engine inspections, though: I lived in Japan in the mid-80's, where the authorities held an annual engine mod/safety inspection. The street racers had entirely different drivetrains...they would pop in Stock for the inspection, then immediately drop back in the Vroom afterward. Kids with the kind of money he's talking about would have no problems circumventing compliance inspections
good call!

I have a different ecu, etc for mt GSR at aircare time, and don't even get me started on what comes off the WRX when it comes time for service.

What Con. Fung has said is fine and dandy, but it's like Canada's stance on Gun control. I've owned guns for 10 years, and only recently has the gov't stepped in and made me register the hell out of my arsenal (which is used for hunting). Does this solve crime?
Hell no!
All it does is cause law abiding citizens to sift through gov't paperwork, and basically be treated like criminals.

It's very similar to what's happening to those of us who choose to modify our cars. Guilty until proven innocent.

or, similar to the way i-club is now run. "If we ban swearing, all the world's problems will be solved"

**** that **** !
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Old 11-19-2002, 06:19 PM   #11
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or, similar to the way i-club is now run. "If we ban swearing, all the world's problems will be solved"

**** that **** !
This may not be an issue in the near future
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Old 11-19-2002, 06:20 PM   #12
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They already have inspection facilities here and modified cars always get harassed. they get towed or get vehicle inspection notices.. get their cars inspected.. and they are back on the road. it doesnt really solve anything.

air care is also a joke here. anyon can swap back his stock exhaust to pass air care and then revert back to his catless setup.

surprise or random inspections would cost too much $...


i believe heavier traffic fines, license suspensions, and stiffer jail sentences are the first step.

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Old 11-19-2002, 06:24 PM   #13
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They already have inspection facilities here and modified cars always get harassed. they get towed or get vehicle inspection notices.. get their cars inspected.. and they are back on the road. it doesnt really solve anything.

air care is also a joke here. anyon can swap back his stock exhaust to pass air care and then revert back to his catless setup.

surprise or random inspections would cost too much $...


i believe heavier traffic fines, license suspensions, and stiffer jail sentences are the first step.

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From someone not even in your jurisdiction: AMEN! Punish behavior, not potential!
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Old 11-19-2002, 06:54 PM   #14
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The artical does bring up many very good points and there is a lot of truth to it, however I feel like it is kind of pointing the finger at
at the import guys. I think there is a much larger issue here, it
all comes down to "THE DRIVER" . cars do not speed by them
selfs , they do not cause acciedents by them selfs. its like a gun,
alone it is harmless ,when in the hands of a illresponsible user
it is extremely dangerous regardless of the size or power.
that is the point I am trying to get across, a old beat up pick up truck with no turn signals and bad brakes sounds more dangerous than a well tuned 300 hp "rice rocket"

I drive my scubie 5 days a week 6 hours a day all around vancouver for my job and let me tell you its not the ricers you have to worry about. its the truckers who dont get thier air brakes inspected, its the people who are talking on thier cell phone and drinking a coffee, it s the people who drive unroad worthy viechles and yes it is the people who drive way to fast
and reckless on city streets ,regardless of the car.

just remember its not the shop who put a turbo in your car or your rich parents who dont care about you, that tell you to speed
YOU make choice

besides if you have enough cash to tweek out your car, you can afford to go to track and "test" it there

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Old 11-19-2002, 07:06 PM   #15
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I have to say that this is a pretty well written article. However, I agree with Obriter that he's kinda targetting a certain group of people. Really now, a moron with a Ford Escort will street race if he/she want to. Here's a few things like about his article.

1. Annual inspections. While this won't affect people with a lot of money and change their car back to stock for inspection day, this will affect people with a ill-repair car. I have seen tons of cars with broken exhaust, oil leaking into the engine, broken suspension, broken windshield, and a whole lot of things that will make their car a death trap driving on the road. Are these people less dangerous to the public? I have to say no.

2. Learn English. This is very important. For god sake, we're in Canada, it's bad enough that most of us don't know French. But you don't know English? Most of the signs are in English, do you really expect the government will start printing them in Chinese and/or some other popular Asian langauge. For example, on No. 3 Road in Richmond, there are signs like Bus Lane, Left Turn signal, and U-Turn allow. No one seem to understand these signs. I don't know if they're either just ignoring them or just don't understand them but they're not obeying them either way.

I also suggest that we increase the number of police on the street. Have you seen how bad people drive lately? Have you seen how insane some of those N Driver drive? You know how many people out there driving without a license? The problem is not law itself but law enforcement. It's pretty useless to have laws when you can't enforce them don't you think?

I agree with Obriter that the punishment should be increase. In the case of the RCMP killed in Richmond, they should just strip the guy of his citizenship and boot him out of the country and ban him from coming back. These people, who willingly and knowingly endanger the public should be label menance to society and booted out. We should not even bother wasting our tax dollar feeding and housing these morons in jail.
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Old 11-19-2002, 07:32 PM   #16
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Good point Koyo, I've been talking with my fiancee about this last week. Why would ICBC offer the driving exams in Cantonese, Mandarine, Punjab, or whatever popular language there is? Canada's national languages are English and French, if you don't know any of these language, learn one! How can you drive properly if you can't even read the signs on the road?

And to make a bad idea worse, why would ICBC offer it on certain languages and not others? I think it's kind of prejudice. If they're gonna offer it with other languages other than English or French, then they should offer it in all languages. Otherwise, just offer it in English and French.

I fully agree that driving is a privilege, not a right!

Although I don't agree fully that what you decide on is all up to you. What you decide to do is heavily affected by your values, your beliefs, and your upbringing, which has a lot to do with our parents, our first teachers, our guide through life, has a lot to do about what we become, and what we do.
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Old 11-19-2002, 08:06 PM   #17
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...let me tell you its not the ricers you have to worry about. its the truckers who dont get thier air brakes inspected, its the people who are talking on thier cell phone and drinking a coffee, it s the people who drive unroad worthy viechles and yes it is the people who drive way to fast and reckless on city streets ,regardless of the car.
My thoughts and experience exactly too. Sure enough there are some people driving modified cars who drive like idiots, but there are also many people driving other cars who are just as reckless and dangerous, if not more. It's sad that school and education teaches us not to stereotype, yet the high authorities of our society does it all the time
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Old 11-19-2002, 09:24 PM   #18
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I wondered if he street raced when he was a teen

This article is bs, his whole basis of arugement and solution to this problem is focused on asian parents and modified cars. This is WAYYYYY too generalized for my reading preference. It is because of this faulty generalization that this is a faulty argument.

he says at the end, his purpose for writing this essay is to ecourage discussion amounst the community about this matter. What is see is the purpose of this essay was to purswade the public to see that it is these "rice rockets" that is causing the accidents in Vancouver.

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Old 11-19-2002, 10:39 PM   #19
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Exclamation Read it a little more closely

YaoShi - I don't think you read the article as closely as other people did. I don't think the guy was targetting just Asians in the article. I think what he has done is bring up a lot of issues that are worth thinking about and discussing.

I think it's a bunch of crap when people make any issue that involves cops into a "us vs them" kind of deal. There are good and bad versions of everything, including cops, drivers, gardeners, cooks, teachers, ETC.

What I cannot stand is for kids (whatever age, race, sexuality, nationality, religion, etc etc they might be) to drive irresponsibly - whether that means talking on their cellphone, driving too fast/too slow, driving a vehicle that is not road-worthy - without regard for everyone else's safety while they are on the road.

Bottom Line: I at least agree that driving is a privilege, not a right, and if you are not mature enough to appreciate that privilege and use it wisely, you really shouldn't be doing it at all.
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"...young Asians are over-represented in incidents involving high speed..."

"It has reched the point where "rice rocket" has becom ethe term used in the Lower Mainland to describe the modified, high-powered vehicles preferred by man young Asians."
although he he says he isn't blaming it all on young Asians, his tone of voice suggests he is.

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all i want to say has been said

so put me down for the heavier punishment idea
as well as they shouldn't put so much pressure on "rice rockets", tons of bad drivers out there, no particular group should be singled out.


oh yeah, the english thing is pretty darn rediculus, they definately SHOULD do something about it.
but then come to think of it, how would you differentiate an old CRAZY chinese driver from just a GOOD, old chinese driver, neither of whom know english very well?
by enforcing english requirement, wouldn't we also be forcing some good drivers, possibly relying on driving around to make a living, off the road as well ?
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Holly SXXt. I just saw a "WHITY" "OLD MAN" driving AMG SL55 "CRAZY driver" he is going at least 150 km/hr. I believe.....WOW that was fast. I cant even see his licence plat.

AMG SL55 0-100 km/hr "4.5sec"
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Old 11-20-2002, 01:41 PM   #23
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Well Yaoshi, it just so happened that 90% of the population that lives in Vancouver are Asians.

It is true, that most of the young drivers here in Vancouver with fancy cars are asians. But that's just a function of us being the majority of the population here.

And besides, what you perceive as "tone of voice" is totally subjective. Because really, the reader puts a "tone of voice" in the article, unless of course you heard him read it to you.


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although he he says he isn't blaming it all on young Asians, his tone of voice suggests he is.

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Old 11-20-2002, 01:45 PM   #24
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Well Yaoshi, it just so happened that 90% of the population that lives in Vancouver are Asians.

It is true, that most of the young drivers here in Vancouver with fancy cars are asians. But that's just a function of us being the majority of the population here.

And besides, what you perceive as "tone of voice" is totally subjective. Because really, the reader puts a "tone of voice" in the article, unless of course you heard him read it to you.


The term "overrepresented" means that if, say 90% of a population are of a certain group, the number of incidents is higher than that. For example, maybe Asians make up 45% of the population but are involved in 57% of street racing incidents..... He isn't referring to the fact that asians are the majority of your population.
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how would you differentiate an old CRAZY chinese driver from just a GOOD, old chinese driver, neither of whom know english very well?
Oh, I don't know, by their driving skills maybe? And how can they be good drivers if they can't respond to a road sign saying "Slow down, construction 1 km ahead "? Then they would be "bad" drivers wouldn't they?

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by enforcing english requirement, wouldn't we also be forcing some good drivers, possibly relying on driving around to make a living, off the road as well?
Now who would hire a driver in Canada that can't speak english? Hello? Reality check here, YOU'RE IN CANADA, people here speak English or French. No matter what job you have, you're BOUND to encounter people who don't speak any other language other than English or French.
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