When we break "gears" what are we actually breaking?And tranny update.

GregUnd · 11-19-2002, 03:18 PM

I've heard we break both syncro and actual gear.

The Chalak gear set is JUST THE GEARS, they use the stock syncro's and shafts. Unlike the Kaaz where it's a set of syncro's,gears, shafts etc and all components required to install in stock tranny housing.

So, it really wouldn't be worth it getting just the gears when the syncro's are still stock and we can just as easily break those.

Does this sound right or have I been mislead?

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gmflex · 11-19-2002, 05:46 PM

It depends. If you are making a lot of torque, you can actually break the gears, otherwise you would normally break the syncros first. I wouldn't buy just gears.

Jason

GregUnd · 11-20-2002, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gmflex
It depends. If you are making a lot of torque, you can actually break the gears, otherwise you would normally break the syncros first. I wouldn't buy just gears.

Jason

See, that's whats I thought.

Thanks dude!

BTW, I think I'm going to go with Kaaz. Chalak from Austraillia was calling me last night but it was at like 3:30 in the monin'

D_REX · 11-20-2002, 12:36 PM

You don't actually "break" synchros. Synchros only serve to match your input and output shaft speeds. You can break the dogs, even a synchro box has dogs (this is what grinds when you miss a shift).

GregUnd · 11-20-2002, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by D_REX
You don't actually "break" synchros. Synchros only serve to match your input and output shaft speeds. You can break the dogs, even a synchro box has dogs (this is what grinds when you miss a shift).

I know a guy here, name to be unmentioned, but he shreaded his 1rst gear syncro.... along with a few missing teath on first gear....

D_REX · 11-20-2002, 01:58 PM

You can destroy a synchro, but it's not something that breaks. It's like a clutch, you can slip it all day and destroy it, but it doesn't break.

More than likely Florida Boy's synchro was damaged by the excess metal bits floating around in his tranny. The only time you use the synchro is when you put the tranny into gear.

GregUnd · 11-20-2002, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by D_REX
You can destroy a synchro, but it's not something that breaks. It's like a clutch, you can slip it all day and destroy it, but it doesn't break.

More than likely Florida Boy's synchro was damaged by the excess metal bits floating around in his tranny. The only time you use the synchro is when you put the tranny into gear.

Ahhh, I gottcha now. Getting all technical on us and stuff....

jmott · 11-20-2002, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GregUnd

Ahhh, I gottcha now. Getting all technical on us and stuff....

if you break the tranny while its in gear, you broke a gear.

you can wear out, and maybe even 'break' a synchro with excecssive powershifting.

everytime you force the car into gear real quick, rather than letting it 'slip' into gear, you are putting some wear on the synchro.

the early 4.6 Mustang GTs had pretty weak synchros, pretty much everyone who drove hard wore them out. Would cause the car to grind a lot on shifts. But the gears never broke.

GregUnd · 11-20-2002, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmott

if you break the tranny while its in gear, you broke a gear.

you can wear out, and maybe even 'break' a synchro with excecssive powershifting.

everytime you force the car into gear real quick, rather than letting it 'slip' into gear, you are putting some wear on the synchro.

the early 4.6 Mustang GTs had pretty weak synchros, pretty much everyone who drove hard wore them out. Would cause the car to grind a lot on shifts. But the gears never broke.

Ok, then Kaaz it is.

Nicks mustang was in the shop twice getting new 1 2 3rd syncros...

Blugin · 11-20-2002, 08:46 PM

Are you totally opposed to a dog box?

GregUnd · 11-21-2002, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blugin
Are you totally opposed to a dog box?

For daily driving, yes. For a race tranny, no.

Do you run a dogbox?

gmflex · 11-21-2002, 10:47 AM

I drove Blugin's car on dyno day. The dog box really wasn't too bad. I only stalled it a few times

How much are the Kaaz gears/synchros and what are they rated to (torque)?

Jason

GregUnd · 11-21-2002, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gmflex
I drove Blugin's car on dyno day. The dog box really wasn't too bad. I only stalled it a few times

How much are the Kaaz gears/synchros and what are they rated to (torque)?

Jason

One says 450HP and another guy says 500HP easily but that's more than I have planned.

Here are the responses from RalliSpec... scroll to the botom.

HERE

GregUnd · 11-21-2002, 03:37 PM

I was mistaking... the Kaaz utilize the stock syncro's. It looks I'm gonna replace the stock 1rst and 2nd gear synco and throw in the Chalak gear set, plus I can get better gear ratio's with them.

rossman · 11-22-2002, 04:55 PM

Here is a good explanation of how a transmission works, including synchronizers, gears, shafts, etc...

Ross

couldnthinkaone · 11-24-2002, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by D_REX
You don't actually "break" synchros. Synchros only serve to match your input and output shaft speeds. You can break the dogs, even a synchro box has dogs (this is what grinds when you miss a shift).

those "dogs" are actually called "clutching teeth" and you can break a syncro, usually they crack, but it takes a lot to do that.

couldnthinkaone · 11-24-2002, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gmflex
It depends. If you are making a lot of torque, you can actually break the gears, otherwise you would normally break the syncros first. I wouldn't buy just gears.

Jason

nope...I just replaced all my gears etc, because I shreaded all the teeth off second gears, drive and driven...of yeah, I drive an RS w/about 200lbs/ft of torque!

scott

couldnthinkaone · 11-24-2002, 05:17 PM

could you shoot me the number for Chalak, I really would like to get ahold of them.

thanks,
scott
281.289.0035 voice mail

GregUnd · 11-24-2002, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by couldnthinkaone
could you shoot me the number for Chalak, I really would like to get ahold of them.

thanks,
scott
281.289.0035 voice mail

I can only send you his e-mail but he responds in 24hours, he may only call around 2am here from his time zone and all.

couldnthinkaone · 11-25-2002, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GregUnd

I can only send you his e-mail but he responds in 24hours, he may only call around 2am here from his time zone and all.

so...let's have it. can you e-mail/pm me with it?

thanks,
scott

GregUnd · 11-25-2002, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by couldnthinkaone

so...let's have it. can you e-mail/pm me with it?

thanks,
scott

DOH! I forgot about you

I'll PM it to you.

11-19-2002, 03:18 PM	#1
GregUnd Baaleted Member#: 11800 Join Date: Oct 2001	When we break "gears" what are we actually breaking?And tranny update. I've heard we break both syncro and actual gear. The Chalak gear set is JUST THE GEARS, they use the stock syncro's and shafts. Unlike the Kaaz where it's a set of syncro's,gears, shafts etc and all components required to install in stock tranny housing. So, it really wouldn't be worth it getting just the gears when the syncro's are still stock and we can just as easily break those. Does this sound right or have I been mislead? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

11-24-2002, 05:17 PM	#18
couldnthinkaone Scooby Specialist Member#: 2944 Join Date: Nov 2000 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Lake Jackson Vehicle: 2000 2.5RS Steel Blue Mica	greg could you shoot me the number for Chalak, I really would like to get ahold of them. thanks, scott 281.289.0035 voice mail

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11-19-2002, 05:46 PM	#2
gmflex Scooby Newbie Member#: 9796 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dallas, Texas Vehicle: 2004 STI WRB	It depends. If you are making a lot of torque, you can actually break the gears, otherwise you would normally break the syncros first. I wouldn't buy just gears. Jason

11-20-2002, 12:36 PM	#4
D_REX Scooby Specialist Member#: 8945 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Houston, TX Vehicle: MY02 WRX Blue	You don't actually "break" synchros. Synchros only serve to match your input and output shaft speeds. You can break the dogs, even a synchro box has dogs (this is what grinds when you miss a shift).

11-20-2002, 01:58 PM	#6
D_REX Scooby Specialist Member#: 8945 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Houston, TX Vehicle: MY02 WRX Blue	You can destroy a synchro, but it's not something that breaks. It's like a clutch, you can slip it all day and destroy it, but it doesn't break. More than likely Florida Boy's synchro was damaged by the excess metal bits floating around in his tranny. The only time you use the synchro is when you put the tranny into gear.

11-20-2002, 08:46 PM	#10
Blugin Scooby Specialist Member#: 5270 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Arlington, TX Vehicle: 2008 EvoX MR Red	Are you totally opposed to a dog box?

11-21-2002, 10:47 AM	#12
gmflex Scooby Newbie Member#: 9796 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dallas, Texas Vehicle: 2004 STI WRB	I drove Blugin's car on dyno day. The dog box really wasn't too bad. I only stalled it a few times How much are the Kaaz gears/synchros and what are they rated to (torque)? Jason

11-21-2002, 03:37 PM	#14
GregUnd Baaleted Member#: 11800 Join Date: Oct 2001	I was mistaking... the Kaaz utilize the stock syncro's. It looks I'm gonna replace the stock 1rst and 2nd gear synco and throw in the Chalak gear set, plus I can get better gear ratio's with them.

11-22-2002, 04:55 PM	#15
rossman Scooby Newbie Member#: 6652 Join Date: May 2001 Location: TLV, TX Vehicle: 2002 wrx mbp, wingless	Here is a good explanation of how a transmission works, including synchronizers, gears, shafts, etc... Ross