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Old 10-29-2002, 10:46 PM   #1
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Default Buying a new 2.5TS or 2.5RS

Hey all,

I'm in the market for a new Impreza (unfortunately, the WRX is waaaay out of my budget). I checked on some MSRP prices for the 2.5TS and the 2.5RS and this is what I found:

2003 Impreza 2.5TS
Freight: 400
Airtax: 100
Base Price: 22995
TOTAL: 23995

2003 Impreza 2.5RS
Freight: 400
Airtax: 100
Base Price: 26995
TOTAL: 27495

I have a few questions:
a) the base price of the 2.5TS from 2002 to 2003 went up by one thousand dollars. Why is that?
b) Is the 4000 dollar differential worth it for a 2.5RS?
c) How much can you bargain down for the 2.5TS? and for the 2.5RS? I heard that 2.5TS's are difficult to keep in stock so it's difficult to bargain.
d) HOW do you bargain with dealerships?
e) When does freight and airtax apply?

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Old 10-29-2002, 11:26 PM   #2
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Hey man!
a) The TS price wnet up $1000 because...well, personal opinion, the 2002 pricing was a steal. I'm not too sure why for sure though.

b) I just bought a RS but I wanted the TS becaues of the value. Only difference really is just the wheels, suspension, seats, and the overall style. TS is a great deal. RS they don't make too much from it I heard.

c) TS should be hard to bargain. I PM'ed you a salesman.

d) Well, usually the guy will ask "What will it take for me to get you in an Impreza today?"

e) When? Now I think? BTW, freight&pdi = $1195 I believe.

I'd go with the TS. Give me a call and I'll giev you his name.

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Old 10-29-2002, 11:33 PM   #3
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TS is wagon, wagon is for cool guys. Get a wagon. I think the TS comes with rear drums....no?
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Old 10-29-2002, 11:38 PM   #4
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yes. ts is still a good deal. however, if you really love the sedan, then get the rs.

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Old 10-29-2002, 11:54 PM   #5
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I think it all comes down to personal choice. Tora is right abuot the rears. But if your like me, I just want a decent looking car to go from point a to point b (with some style of course ). Why don't you go down to Subaru and sit and drive both vehicles and see if the RS or TS is really for you and if so, which one!

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Old 10-30-2002, 01:25 AM   #6
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Default why ts is $1000 more

The TS is $1000 more because it comes with cruise control and keyless entry standard.....last year they never had those options on them. If you want to bargin try and find a 2002 rs and im sure the dealer will want to get rid of it. A 2002 ts will be impossible to find probably. Check around dealers for a 2002 rs...i think theres still some around. I saw some not long ago in the interior dealers in BC. Give them a call and see the best they'll do.
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Old 10-30-2002, 02:03 AM   #7
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Default TS vrs. RS

Well I dont know about you.......

but I couldnt jusstify the extra price of the RS knowing that I have the same engine in my TS and that I could easily upgrade the exhaust and suspension if I wanted and still be under the $3500 + price diff.

Witht the special offer that DD has for the TS you can get the driving lights, the rear spoiler, and a set of really sweet Motegi mags..... al for only $900.
All and all I couldn't be happier with my purchase and I am 1 of those guys who spends 4 months researching a car before I buy.

My 2 cents.



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Old 10-30-2002, 03:34 AM   #8
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Quote:
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TS is wagon, wagon is for cool guys. Get a wagon. I think the TS comes with rear drums....no?
Werd

btw, the TS and the RS's suspension aren't significantly different imo. Both are annoyingly stiff over small bumps, and overly soft in turns. If you search around for the spring rates, they are actually very similar. The difference is most likely to offset the different weight distribution. I can drive the TS and RS back to back and not tell the difference.

The TS does have really crappy seats though. My RS seats are showing wear, but Bruno's looks like it's been in the car for 10 years or so by the wear.

As for the drum brakes, while we can't really feel the difference in stopping distance and stuff, it does seem like we get the TS' brakes hotter. Maybe the fronts are doing more work compared to the RS?

And lastly, the TS is a much better value than the RS
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Old 10-30-2002, 03:40 AM   #9
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Quote:
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Witht the special offer that DD has for the TS you can get the driving lights, the rear spoiler, and a set of really sweet Motegi mags..... al for only $900.
Are those Motegi's 16" MR7's? I saw them on your car and asked you but didn't get a response. I'm 99% sure they'er MR7's but how many inches?

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Old 10-30-2002, 03:49 AM   #10
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Let's see for 4000 you can get
1, spring 500~
2, swaybar 150~(whiteline)
3, towerbar front and back 300~(whiteline)
4, exhaust axle back 400~
5, rims 2000~
=3350
still 650 left
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Old 10-30-2002, 04:13 AM   #11
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Wow... lots of stuff to consider for sure. Upgrades and the whole lot.

Well, one point that kinda stuck out that caught my attention was the "awful seats". I was wondering if someone (or anyone) wouldn't mind posting pics of the interior of the TS and the RS?

I went searching the web, but all I saw were console and steering wheel sheets (And up-close bubble eye shots).

I like both the RS and TS because they can fit 4-5 people (5 max), which is REALLY useful for me.
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Old 10-30-2002, 11:24 AM   #12
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I have an 03 Ts so I'm a bit biased but...the Ts is still a steal. for the extra $$ are you really getting that much?? I bought new WRX (or RS) rims shipped for $680cdn added the fogs at the dealer ($500 installed) and will add the spoiler ($400) and I think will have a better looking car for wayy cheaper.


what is this DD deal?? sounds pretty sweet!!

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Old 10-30-2002, 12:16 PM   #13
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You can always swap them for WRX seats. Go to the private classifieds forums, sometimes people with WRX's who upgrade their seats sell their OEM ones for under US$500.

Quote:
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Wow... lots of stuff to consider for sure. Upgrades and the whole lot.

Well, one point that kinda stuck out that caught my attention was the "awful seats". I was wondering if someone (or anyone) wouldn't mind posting pics of the interior of the TS and the RS?

I went searching the web, but all I saw were console and steering wheel sheets (And up-close bubble eye shots).

I like both the RS and TS because they can fit 4-5 people (5 max), which is REALLY useful for me.
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Old 10-30-2002, 02:18 PM   #14
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The Don Docksteader deal is for Motegi MR7 mags as fukamoto said, they are 15" and come with locking wheel nuts and keyed wheel nuts.
They really look good though,

Dont you think that they are worth the $900 all by themselves?


Really I think that your decision should be between the WRX or the TS as long as you think that the wagon is the style you want. Keeping in mind that you will have to pay over 3500 for the sedan mostly because of the flared quater panels, and trunk!


Parousia

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Old 10-30-2002, 03:00 PM   #15
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Default Motegi's...

Hmm...

When I was looking for wheels for my car I considered the Motegi's, but they didn't come in anything close the Subaru offset of +53mm.

Aftermarket wheels on a brand new car affects the warranty too... like if you burn out your wheel bearings using an offset not intended for Subies. (ie. Motegi's?)

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Old 10-30-2002, 03:43 PM   #16
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Actually the Motegi come in the exact backset that the Subaru uses, with the addition of a small spacer.

BTW this is a deal that Don Docksteader Subaru worked out so that the fit and wear would be EXACTLY THE SAME, between the stock and Motegi.

No warranty problems, or increased wear.

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Old 10-30-2002, 04:58 PM   #17
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I personal don't mind the seats that much. I guess it is depending on what you were driving before. I had a 88 Honda Accord that had some pretty used seats so these are a whole lot better. After a few months having the car i picked up some 2000 RS Impreza rims and put them on. I think they look pretty good. Spent less then $800 for rims and new tread. Just need to lower it a little bit. I just couldn't justify spending the extra cash for basically the same specs.
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Old 10-30-2002, 05:13 PM   #18
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Lucky!

I wish the mostly-know-nothing-guys here at the Kelowna dealership would do something like that!

BTW, your name, "parousia"... isn't that greek meaning the "second coming" (return of Christ?)

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Old 10-30-2002, 05:21 PM   #19
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well Im really happy with my TS, for the price it is a good deal, with the money saved , there are a lot of mods that can be done , that will make you more than happy. the only thing I dont really like are the rear drums, they work all right but fade when hot, you can switch to turbo legacy discs and calipers and braided brake lines ,wich will fix that problem.
the nice thing is the wieght of the car my 01 is nice and light, witch makes for a good power to wieght ratio once there are some engine upgrades. might make for some air time , they dont call me 4wheelflyer for nothing

thats my 2 cents
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Old 10-31-2002, 02:03 AM   #20
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like everyone has already said the TS is a superb deal, theres no denying that.

but for me it comes down to the looks, i like the fender flares the alloy wheels, 4 discs, seats, turbo style bumper, and the overall shape of the sedan. thats why i chose the RS.

the RS i talked down a good 2 g's the TS u'll get about 500 off msrp.

the choice is yours. both very good cars!

heres a pic of the rear seats of my RS.
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Old 10-31-2002, 02:09 AM   #21
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Old 10-31-2002, 03:13 AM   #22
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The pic of the sedan rear seat brings up another point for you to consider.

If you need some utility, the sedan only has that small pass through. The wagon has split fold down seats.

As for pricing, I was only able to get $500 off my bro's '02 TS back in Aug '01.

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Old 10-31-2002, 03:33 AM   #23
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Wagon also have headrest at the backseat
remember the 650 you save after do all this mod?
Quote:
1, spring 500~
2, swaybar 150~(whiteline)
3, towerbar front and back 300~(whiteline)
4, exhaust axle back 400~
5, rims 2000~
=3350
still 650 left
Pay some more you can get LeatherSeats


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Old 10-31-2002, 03:52 AM   #24
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ive noticed also the tail lights are slightly different for the two models

for the wagon the rear white backup light stripe is on the bottom whereas the sedans are on the top .

wagons are soo so pimp when u drop it, tint, and rims!
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Quote:
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like everyone has already said the TS is a superb deal, theres no denying that.

but for me it comes down to the looks, i like the fender flares the alloy wheels, 4 discs, seats, turbo style bumper, and the overall shape of the sedan. thats why i chose the RS.

the RS i talked down a good 2 g's the TS u'll get about 500 off msrp.

the choice is yours. both very good cars!

heres a pic of the rear seats of my RS.
i'm a newbie for here and thinking to get a TS. on the subaru website they said the TS come with turbo style front bumoer. so it looks almost same as a WRX wagon,is that true?
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