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Old 11-22-2002, 08:21 PM   #1
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I just got home from the courthouse where I was filing a dispute over a ticket.

Anyone want to share a story of your day in court? I need to know what to expect...

I know you're all wondering, so... it was 153 in a 100 zone.
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Old 11-22-2002, 09:09 PM   #2
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i havnt gotten a ticket in over a year and a bit...but the two yera before that...i got 14 in two years...i lost the first four cases...was warned if i got another one i'd be suspended...well i ended up winning the next 10 (none of the cops showed) so i was lucky and didnt get suspended LOL hahahaha...pretty ****ty eh? i dd however have to pay like 900 or 1100 bux for premium points a couple years ago...ouch
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Old 11-22-2002, 10:09 PM   #3
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I got 5 tickets in 5 years but I didn't fight any of them because it was my bad.
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Old 11-22-2002, 11:20 PM   #4
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If the constable shows up and starts listing a ton of courses that he/she has taken on speed estimation, radar gun operation, etc than you may want to aks the courts mercy.

This happened to me doing 120 in a 50 zone (young and immature...a long time ago...). Admit guilt to the judge and let them know you came to court so you could experience the BC justice system. I went into court with 6 points and a 400 fine...I came out with 3 points and a 200 fine. If you are truly remorseful, they will show mercy.
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Old 11-22-2002, 11:55 PM   #5
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If the constable shows up and starts listing a ton of courses that he/she has taken on speed estimation, radar gun operation, etc than you may want to aks the courts mercy.

This happened to me doing 120 in a 50 zone (young and immature...a long time ago...). Admit guilt to the judge and let them know you came to court so you could experience the BC justice system. I went into court with 6 points and a 400 fine...I came out with 3 points and a 200 fine. If you are truly remorseful, they will show mercy.
that's the plan really. I'm doing my best not to speed so that I can say that I haven't received any other tickets since this one...
I've also been told that because I'm a student they may let me pay whatever fine I end up with slowly.
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Old 11-23-2002, 12:04 AM   #6
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that's the plan really. I'm doing my best not to speed so that I can say that I haven't received any other tickets since this one...
I've also been told that because I'm a student they may let me pay whatever fine I end up with slowly.
I got a $35 parking ticket (yes, im broke ) and I disputed it. The cop showed up and I couldn't prove my case so I pleaded for mercy and told him I was a grade 12 student with a part-time job helping my parents pay the bills. The guy asked me how long I need to raise the money. LoL. I eventually paid $20 that day.

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Old 11-23-2002, 02:18 AM   #7
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I just got home from the courthouse where I was filing a dispute over a ticket.

Anyone want to share a story of your day in court? I need to know what to expect...

I know you're all wondering, so... it was 153 in a 100 zone.

I've disputed two and won because the officers didn't show up. This was 4 or 5 years ago and at least at that time when caught in a radar trap, the gun operator and the ticket writer had to show up I was told and both didn't so it was dismissed. May have changed by now.

BUT...I did get to view a couple cases while I was there.

On one, a guy was fighting a ticket for a loud muffler. The judge asked the officer if he physically looked under the car to see the hole in the exhaust and he said something like "no, but it was obvious". She tore a strip out of him for wasting her time and threw it out. I could now understand why some cops seem picky after she let him have it for not thourghly checking the vehicle... ...

On the other a guy was fighting a speeding ticket - I think it was a $50 ticket or something - 5 years ago remember. First off the judge asked him why he was in court with this ticket and he didn't really have an answer. He rambled about he didn't think he was speeding. Anyways the officer brought up the drivers previous history of a couple tickets and the judge said something to the effect of "well you haven't learnt your lesson from those previous tickets" she tripled the fine to $150. The guy was shocked as hell, I guess he figured at most he would have only had the $50 to pay for the worst case scenario.

So depends on the judge - and maybe your previous driving record.

If it was me and the cops evidence was solid of my speed of 153, I wouldn't chance it that the judge would increase the fine or something. Especially with the high profile of speeding nowadays. Thats pretty high and the judge might try to make an example of you. If it was only 120km/h or something, I'd say go for it. But 153 is sounding pretty fast when brought up in front of a judge.

Be prepared for the judge to ask you "why are you disputing this ticket?"

You could cross your fingers that the officer doesn't show up and if hes there the day of the case - they have to sign in - just don't show up for your case (unless you prepared to fight it) . I wonder if that would just default you to the fine listed on the ticket? Maybe someone else knows for sure.
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Old 11-23-2002, 02:42 AM   #8
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Dude,

Face it, you are in the wrong and wasting EVERYONES time, effort and money.

1- you were speeding excessively- it is now time to be accountable for you actions and pay the freakin fine. You shoud consider yourself lucky that it is only a measly fine that you have to pay.

2- taking a ticket like this to court ties up our justice system and costs us allot more than just your time in court.
The policeman is paid OVERTIME in most instances to be in traffic court, so you are wasting your tax dollars to pay a guy about 4hours of double time wages so lets say $200 bucks. Plus the cost of the judge $300 and the other people, $100. Plus if the cop is not on overtime, then he/she is taken off the street to be in court to deal with your GUILTY ass. The cops time would be much better spent preventing crime or catching true criminals than dealing with you GUILTY ass.
I hope you rethink your position and just pay the fine. If not, I hope the book gets TROWN at you.

I have no pitty for excessive speeders as you can read and I expect a flame or two, I have VERY thick skin so I would not even bother. My opinion is strong and I will not back down.

People really need to start being resonsible and accountable for their actions. You broke the rules so pay the fine.

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Old 11-23-2002, 04:16 AM   #9
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ultragucci, I agree with you completely. if I were able to just cough up the money and pay the fine and not think twice about it, I would. The main reason that I am disputing the ticket is so that I have the extra time to raise the money to pay it.
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Old 11-23-2002, 04:46 AM   #10
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Dude,

Face it, you are in the wrong and wasting EVERYONES time, effort and money.

1- you were speeding excessively- it is now time to be accountable for you actions and pay the freakin fine. You shoud consider yourself lucky that it is only a measly fine that you have to pay.

2- taking a ticket like this to court ties up our justice system and costs us allot more than just your time in court.
The policeman is paid OVERTIME in most instances to be in traffic court, so you are wasting your tax dollars to pay a guy about 4hours of double time wages so lets say $200 bucks. Plus the cost of the judge $300 and the other people, $100. Plus if the cop is not on overtime, then he/she is taken off the street to be in court to deal with your GUILTY ass. The cops time would be much better spent preventing crime or catching true criminals than dealing with you GUILTY ass.
I hope you rethink your position and just pay the fine. If not, I hope the book gets TROWN at you.

I have no pitty for excessive speeders as you can read and I expect a flame or two, I have VERY thick skin so I would not even bother. My opinion is strong and I will not back down.

People really need to start being resonsible and accountable for their actions. You broke the rules so pay the fine.

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i totally agree with u!!
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Old 11-23-2002, 09:23 AM   #11
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This is beside the point, but going to traffic court at least once in your life is a good experience. You get to see how things are carried out in the traffic court room if you're not lucky enough to participate in our wonderful judicial process with jury duty. Ah well, just a thought.

Even if u get shot down which most likely you will if the guy shows up, at least u learned something out of it.
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Old 11-23-2002, 12:55 PM   #12
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Got a ticked (95 in a 50)
Went to court
Officer didn't show
Got off scott free

I was also a student at the time, and mainly wanted to try for a reduced fine. It's definitely worth try.

FWIW, the pulled over nearly every car that drove through the section, and a couple weeks later everyone was passing while I was doing 60 in the snow. It's one of those places where the speedlimit is rediculously low. 95 was extreme, but the passing lane just started, and I was fed up with being stuck behind the only person it the world that drives less than the speedlimit there so I gunned it by him in the right lane, and bam, got nailed.
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Old 11-24-2002, 12:57 AM   #13
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Here's my take on it: for speeding ticket, if the cops shows, and start giving his resume - you're dead already. The judge do favour the cop, and whatever question you throw at the cop, the judge wouldn't care about the answer, nor would he question the cops answer either. Even though in most cases you would rather not give your side of story (because the cop only needed to ask one question: how fast were you going? and you have no satisfactory answer to convince the judge otherwise), in my case, I would have been better off giving my side of the story, and tell the cop that I was under a 100 in a 60 zone - now he was claiming I was going at 103, which put me in excessive. My 2 questions would be: a) if I claim I was going under 100 (based on my speedo), would the judge care giving the "Deadly accurate" reading of laser and b) same claim, but because now I'm only speeding (not excessive), can just convict me under a different section on the spot? Whatever it is, if you have a fringe case, you either hope the cop don't show up, or bring a lawyer - judges like to kick you around because you don't know as much about law as they do.
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Old 11-24-2002, 02:42 AM   #14
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I just got home from the courthouse where I was filing a dispute over a ticket.

Anyone want to share a story of your day in court? I need to know what to expect...

I know you're all wondering, so... it was 153 in a 100 zone.
just like UltraGucci said...i also have no patience or pitty for excessive speeders. i WAS in the cops shoes before (not anymore though) and in the city i live in if you are cauhgt 50 + over the speed limit your car gets hooked and you pretty much loose your licence right on the spot...that excessive is dangerous driving. pay the fine and admit you mistake!! learn from this and hope it doesnt happen again.

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Old 11-24-2002, 02:48 AM   #15
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I would have been better off giving my side of the story, and tell the cop that I was under a 100 in a 60 zone - now he was claiming I was going at 103, which put me in excessive. My 2 questions would be: a) if I claim I was going under 100 (based on my speedo), would the judge care giving the "Deadly accurate" reading of laser
as posted in the post above...i was in the cops shoes at one time and let me tell you...if you think that you can beat a laser radar in court.....and it being "deadly accurate" well if the officer had noted that it as functioning properly then well your screwed. laser radar guns are very very accurate (because of the laser part) if it said you were going 103 then you'd better get your speedo checked....cause 99.9% the laser was accurate.

please dont flame or rant...this was just posted to prove a point. oh ya and dont speed and you wont have to worry about this.

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Old 11-24-2002, 04:05 AM   #16
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This is beside the point, but going to traffic court at least once in your life is a good experience. You get to see how things are carried out in the traffic court room if you're not lucky enough to participate in our wonderful judicial process with jury duty. Ah well, just a thought.

Even if u get shot down which most likely you will if the guy shows up, at least u learned something out of it.

Good point Mirage,
go through the process and learn from it.

hey, while on the topic. i recently got a ticket (speeding in a park zone). i don't think i was speeding. i asked the cop how fast i was going....his answer "you were speeding."

"So how fast was i going?" answer "fast..."
um yeah ok, whatever you say officer....
I, of course, am disputing this. just waiting for my court time.

btw, UltraGucci, take it easy on the guy. he's just asking a question. and i'm curious how you got those costs (judge time, cops time, other people)...
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Old 11-24-2002, 06:08 AM   #17
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Does it matter if I was not asked to sign the ticket, nor was it explained to me? (He did ask me if I knew why I was pulled over, and I stupidly answered "Speeding?") He didn't tell me anything, just asked for my license, and came back saying "Unfortunatley there is a ticket involved in this," and left.
BTW there is no speed indicated on the ticket...I was doing 70ish in a 50.
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Old 11-24-2002, 03:52 PM   #18
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"So how fast was i going?" answer "fast..."
um yeah ok, whatever you say officer....
I, of course, am disputing this. just waiting for my court time.

If you don't have the correct answer to the "do you know how fast were you going" question can the judge add in a charge for driving without due care and attention?


ALways wondered about that when you hear about the cops asking people questions.
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Old 11-25-2002, 03:52 PM   #19
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Most likely not, as they are more concerned in getting you convicted - not know what speed you're travelling, you have no evidence to claim otherwise. On the hand, spt did mention about speedo calibration - seriously, I don't think anybody would go into a dealership to have it calibrated, but with some 17s and 215 tires, it might be off a little - but still, your speedo vs laser, laser wins, no questions asked (your lawyer might, but you probably don't have the right kind of questions to ask anyway)

The major major problem I have these days with speed enforcement, is the fact that it's no longer objective - yes, speeding over by 1KM is considered a violation, but with one cop it might 20 over before he pulls you, with another cop it might 15 over, and yet another that will do it 10 over. The judgement is now in the cop's hands, which I don't like - they are here to enforce the law, and only to enforce the law. And the reason why they are doing this? because the cities don't have the right speed limits set in every stinking place! As far as I'm concern, for all the roads that I have been travelling, speed limits haven't changed a good 2 or 3 years - and yet, guess what, majority speeds - what does that imply? I take it as either a) speed limits are too low to move traffic or b) revenue motivated or c) noise related. I might be biased as a driver that likes to drive fast, but if the speed limits were never set correctly, you can't even define what is excessive - I mean, going 1 over is the same as going anything over as far as the law is concerned, but if a section of road can support someone going excessive, with majority going over by your marginal 10/15/20KM, there is problem.

And I have said it before in OT, and I will say it again - you think we can lobby the cities to review the speed limits? Good luck, with the current view that we're the ones that caused problems around.... think about it before you flame me for being fast driving, law breaking crazy driver.
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Old 11-25-2002, 03:55 PM   #20
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Rycon,

Rookie cops make at least $25 an hour. Overtime depending on how much they get in a week is time and a half or double time. Overtime is usually given in 4 hour blocks. I will let you do the math.

Judges make big coin. I hour at least $150, I said $300 just because he is not going to be seeing this one case.

$100 other incidental charges for clerks, bailffs etc.

My point was that he is wasting your/mine/his tax dollars.

I just get a little hot headed when people complain when they get caught speeding excessively. If it were 115 in a 100 zone, then maybe bitch about it, but 153 in a 100 zone is cut and dry EXCESSIVE.

Sorry but that is the way it is.

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Old 11-25-2002, 04:23 PM   #21
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well, I'm not too sure - if that road can support 120 for the majority, then he really isn't being excessive there. Is the 100 limit correct for that road though? I know in my case, technically I'm excessive, but the 60 shouldn't have been 60 in the first place because of the amount of traffic flowing thru there - the section of road I'm talking about is the off-ramp out of East-West Connector. I would agree that it should be 60 in the end just before the turns, but I would definitely not agree to the length of the 60 zone, nor the 80 zone before. I would only say that road is designed to move traffic...
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Old 11-25-2002, 06:16 PM   #22
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Bah! You are all speeders. Including me!

Whomever didn't go over the posted limit EVER in his life, can cast the first stone.
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Old 11-25-2002, 10:58 PM   #23
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hehe.... didn't we have a poll in OT a while back and we got 2 non-speeders? maybe those will be the ones to cast the stones....
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Old 11-26-2002, 01:22 AM   #24
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I will be one of the first to admit, "I SPEED". However when I have been caught by the Five-O in the past, I admit, "Yes officer I know why you pulled me over, I was speeding, I am sorry."

Then he/she either takes my comments to heart and lets me off with a warning, or gives me a ticket, which I then pay because I was GUILTY of speeding.

That is all I have to say about that.

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Old 11-26-2002, 02:19 AM   #25
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Well, guess you're lucky you don't live in a Highway Patrolled area - DIHP is da bomb!! warnings? what the hell is that again?
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