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Old 12-17-2002, 08:15 PM   #51
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I looked into Zaino earlier this year, called Zaino, got the # for a chicagoland rep. I called him 2 or 3 times, without ever getting a response. Ftp!

Too bad I don't have a heated garage to zaino it this winter. Mine's clean as can be for a mild chicago winter.

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Order directly from Sal or from www.ecklers.com. Getting the product should not be a problem.

As for heated garage.. my car is outdoors 24x7 in the elements. I've applied Zaino in temps as low as 45F-50F.
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Old 12-17-2002, 10:48 PM   #52
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i got mine from ecklers.com took about a week
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Old 12-18-2002, 01:39 AM   #53
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its nice living less than an hour away from ecklers

i never have to order..just go get it
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Old 12-18-2002, 01:42 AM   #54
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its even better being friends with the distributor in this area and getting a 10% discount

sorry to rub it in
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Old 01-09-2003, 10:19 AM   #55
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taken from zaino's site. . .this car looks so bad ass here. . .



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Old 01-09-2003, 10:58 AM   #56
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o.k...so I go to ecklers.com, now wat the hell do I order?? It looks like z2 and z5 are the more popular ones used. But I also need the clay bar right? What about clay bar lubricant? Someone please help a poor lost boy:-(
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Old 01-09-2003, 11:10 AM   #57
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ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator Additive for Z-2, Z-3 & Z-5
Z-2 Show Car Polish for Clear Coated Finishes
Z-5 Polish for Swirl Marks & Fine Scratches
Z-6 Ultra Clean "Gloss Enhancer" Spray
Z-7 Show Car Wash
Z-18 ClayBar
#314 Custom 4x5 Polish Applicator

There ya go. A solution of Z-7 and water is your clay lube.

If you need products for your leather, their Z-9 and Z-10 are also excellent. If you want tire gloss, their Z-16 is excellent.
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Old 01-09-2003, 11:31 AM   #58
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Ok, now I am completely lost having read that laundry list of products you just gave Skyline. Why do I need all of that. What happened to the days of wash and then wax. My car is all of a month and a half old do I still need to do everything you just listed or is that for older cars? Can someone please explain to me exactly what a claybar is and why I need it. My wagon is not a show car all I want to do is maintain a clean finish that is protected from the elements. Thanks for the help.

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Old 01-09-2003, 11:42 AM   #59
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2. If you are looking for the ultimate paint surface preparation. Use Zaino Z-18 ClayBar first or skip to Step 3.

Zaino Z-18 ClayBar was designed to remove airborne contaminants, paint overspray, water spots, rail dust, industrial fallout, diesel fuel & catalytic converter residue and any other bonded surface contaminants from paint. All cars even brand new factory paint has airborne contaminants... Here's the deal. The non-abrasive Z-18 ClayBar will remove any surface contaminants from the paint finish and not hurt the clear-coat. The ClayBar will get that paint finish smooth as glass. Now remember waterspots, bird droppings and bug guts if left on the paint finish for any length of time. Will etch into the paint finish. The ClayBar will also remove any store bought waxes....

I recommend you use my car wash (Z-7) as a lubricant for the ClayBar. Just make sure to keep the surface area lubricated while using the ClayBar. Use 1/2 capful of Z-7 Car Wash to 12 ounces of water. I use a spray bottle for the mix. Shake it up and spray the area to be Clayed. Just make sure to keep the surface area lubricated while using the ClayBar.
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Old 01-09-2003, 12:10 PM   #60
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Ok, now I am completely lost having read that laundry list of products you just gave Skyline. Why do I need all of that. What happened to the days of wash and then wax. My car is all of a month and a half old do I still need to do everything you just listed or is that for older cars? Can someone please explain to me exactly what a claybar is and why I need it. My wagon is not a show car all I want to do is maintain a clean finish that is protected from the elements. Thanks for the help.

Jon
You can still use the old wash and wax method if you choose. Zaino is for the people that want "a little extra" on thier finish. The reason that there is so many different products is that none of this is a "wax", and it takes multiple coats and multiple products to get the disired look.

Zaino isn't for everyone, but if you want to be able to "look into" your finish this is the product for you
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Old 01-09-2003, 12:18 PM   #61
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omg what is this zaino garbage and why haven't i ordered some already?! that's it i'm ordering right away. soon as the snow subsides in dirty jersey, i'm gonna be shining for spring.
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Old 01-09-2003, 04:34 PM   #62
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Can someone clarify when to use the Clay Bar? Do you apply it after you have just washed the vehicle? Do you rub hard with the clay bar or just gently go over the car? I resume you then have to wash the car again after claying it.

Then you can move forward to your choice of waxes or zaino products.

Clarification here please.
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Old 01-09-2003, 06:11 PM   #63
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We have always washed. then clay bar'd, and never washed after that.. The clay bar gets off of the material that the wash didn't catch (oil, sap, etc).

When we do a extensive wash/wax we do this.

wash, clay bar, dry, 4-5 coats of zaino (or more).
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Old 01-09-2003, 06:14 PM   #64
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I bought a "starter kit" of Zaino products a couple months ago. Now this thread is motivating me to get out there and start using it!

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Old 01-09-2003, 08:19 PM   #65
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I bought a "starter kit" of Zaino products a couple months ago. Now this thread is motivating me to get out there and start using it!

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Old 01-09-2003, 08:41 PM   #66
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Generally, you need only clay bar once or twice a year. First, wash the car to remove any large dirt particles. Then, clay bar by spraying a car wash solution on a panel (2' x 2' or so), and gently rub the clay bar on the lubricated panel. The clay bar should never be rubbed against the paint dry! It should glide along on the soapy water.

Once you've clay barred the whole car, you need to wash again. This removes loosened contaminants and stray clay particles from the paint. This is quite important.

Then dry, and apply wax/polish.

Lots of good info at: www.zainobros.com
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Old 01-10-2003, 12:17 AM   #67
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uh oh.. I never have washed after clay baring before.. just rinsed with water. I guess I didn't make it clear that you can't claybar with a dry car either.. then again.. that would be obvious when you put the bar on the paint and it doesn't move

thanks for the clarification Skyline
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Old 01-10-2003, 12:59 AM   #68
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Generally, you need only clay bar once or twice a year. First, wash the car to remove any large dirt particles. Then, clay bar by spraying a car wash solution on a panel (2' x 2' or so), and gently rub the clay bar on the lubricated panel. The clay bar should never be rubbed against the paint dry! It should glide along on the soapy water.

Once you've clay barred the whole car, you need to wash again. This removes loosened contaminants and stray clay particles from the paint. This is quite important.

Then dry, and apply wax/polish.

Lots of good info at: www.zainobros.com
So let me get this right. After I wash the car, I use the clay bar. But, you want me to take my soap and water and rub a patch of 2 feet by 2 feet. Then rub the clay bar across the watery patch. And continue until car is done? Okay cool.

Here is one more dumb question....how hard do you rub the clay bar? Or how much pressure do you apply?

Thanks again.
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Old 01-10-2003, 01:08 AM   #69
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....how hard do you rub the clay bar? Or how much pressure do you apply?
Generally, not very hard. Just enough so after a few passes the clay easily glides over the paint.. ..at least it's the way I do it.
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Old 01-10-2003, 01:58 AM   #70
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Default so do we have clear coat or non clear coat

I just got the factory paint job. I didnt pay extra for the "sealer" that the dealer pushes...sounded like a scam.

So does the factory paint come Clear coated or what?

what should we buy?

I wish it was warmer here. Its like 25 degrees in ohio right now. I miss california.
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Old 01-10-2003, 02:14 AM   #71
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Just about any car has paint that is clear coated, not to worry.

Dealer "sealants" are pretty much all scams too - forget it, put a coat of quality wax such as zaino when you get the car, and it'll do a much better job of preserving that clear coat. Dealers usually leave swirls which maddens me.
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Old 01-10-2003, 09:27 AM   #72
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So let me get this right. After I wash the car, I use the clay bar. But, you want me to take my soap and water and rub a patch of 2 feet by 2 feet. Then rub the clay bar across the watery patch. And continue until car is done? Okay cool.

Here is one more dumb question....how hard do you rub the clay bar? Or how much pressure do you apply?

Thanks again.
Yup, you got it right. Get a clean spray bottle and fill it with car wash shampoo (like Z-7) mixed with water. It should be mixed a little stronger for clay barring than what you might use normally for washing. Spray an area and apply the clay bar. You'll know when it's too dry -- the clay starts to stick to the paint and that's bad! Try to avoid the direct sun as it'll evaporate really quickly. Either that, or keep spraying! You want to rub the clay bar very gently. You'll be able to feel the paint get smoother afterwards.

Note that when you first get your car, you should wash the car once with Dawn to strip off any cheap wax the dealer might put on your paint. After that, do not use dish soap to clean your car. Only use car wash, as car wash preserves waxes and polishes. The only other time to use Dawn is if you are switching types of waxes and want to start off fresh.

Feel free to ask any other questions!
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Old 01-10-2003, 09:27 AM   #73
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So let me get this right. After I wash the car, I use the clay bar. But, you want me to take my soap and water and rub a patch of 2 feet by 2 feet. Then rub the clay bar across the watery patch. And continue until car is done? Okay cool.

Here is one more dumb question....how hard do you rub the clay bar? Or how much pressure do you apply?

Thanks again.
I have a Meguires clay bar, that came with a bottle of "Quick Detailer" spray (worth it's weight in gold!) and you spray that on the car, in a 2' x 2', then rub the bar on that. Or your clay bar should come with a spray lubricant of some kind. I don't think you use soapy water. . .

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Old 01-10-2003, 09:36 AM   #74
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I have a Meguires clay bar, that came with a bottle of "Quick Detailer" spray (worth it's weight in gold!) and you spray that on the car, in a 2' x 2', then rub the bar on that. Or your clay bar should come with a spray lubricant of some kind. I don't think you use soapy water. . .

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Car wash solution is usually used for clay bar.

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I recommend you use my car wash (Z-7) as a lubricant for the ClayBar. Just make sure to keep the surface area lubricated while using the ClayBar. Use 1/2 capful of Z-7 Car Wash to 12 ounces of water. I use a spray bottle for the mix. Shake it up and spray the area to be Clayed. Just make sure to keep the surface area lubricated while using the ClayBar.
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Old 01-10-2003, 09:40 AM   #75
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Here's an interesting thread at Autopia about using QD vs soap water for clay bar lubricant:

http://www.autopia.org/forums/showth...threadid=17523
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