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Old 11-25-2002, 02:19 PM   #1
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Default rallying with a auto?

can it be done? I've got a '95 impreza 2.2 with a 4eat and very much want to rally this car. I know that I'd be giving up a bit of control (not able to selet the gear), but on the other hand the AWD system is a bit better and I won't need a third leg to use the clutch, could be a good thing as I'm a amateur. What your thoughts and feelings about it?

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Old 11-25-2002, 02:45 PM   #2
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i belive subiegal rallies an auto, she'll probably see this and post soon...
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Old 11-25-2002, 03:46 PM   #3
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i belive subiegal rallies an auto, she'll probably see this and post soon...
Im pretty sure hers is a 5 spd. But there used to be a Civic with the CVT auto, and I think Knight Racing uses an auto in their Subaru.
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Old 11-25-2002, 05:25 PM   #4
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It's probably a 90/10 torque split and I'm not sure that's "better" than the 50/50 manual setup. You can rally anything, a 2.2L will likely not be competitive in the class it rallies in (PGT) anyways so you might as well just have fun with it and learn. Subie Gal uses a 5-spd. There is an S10 truck that rallies with an automatic I believe. Rally Knight uses a highly modified automatic in their open class car.
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Old 11-25-2002, 05:42 PM   #5
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doh! well i could swear i've seen her post about driving an auto before, maybe it was her street car..
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Old 11-25-2002, 07:07 PM   #6
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Berns races with an auto....
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Old 11-25-2002, 08:26 PM   #7
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Yeah it is something like 90/10 torque split, but the center diff is faster to respond to any needed changes than the diff in the manual. Also, I thought it may be better only because there is one less thing to do while driving, prehaps it's bad to not learn with a manual right away. At anyrate it's the car I got for rallying.

Thanks for the info

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Old 11-25-2002, 08:44 PM   #8
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Max,

You can do it, but I doubt it would be better in the long run. It's not so tough to shuffle your feet if you're left-foot braking. It's not an issue with a dogbox (no clutch needed except to get off the line), and any fraction of a second you might gain by not having to shuffle your feet will be lost by the lag when you stomp the GO pedal. It's possible that you could learn the timing of the transmission power delivery when you hammer the gas, but for those arse-puckering microseconds where you see your life flash in front of your eyes as you drift sideways at the mother of all trees, it may let you down. ("Scotty, I need more power!". "Cap'n, I canna change the laws of automatic transmission physics!". >Krunch!<)

But by all means if that's what you got and you don't want to swap the auto for a manual (uhm, it can be done, but it may not be an un-bolt/re-bolt type deal), then just do it. We'd all love to hear how it goes!

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Old 11-26-2002, 12:00 PM   #9
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Transmission type is irrelevant at the Club level...I once read about an automatic which took 2nd overall at the Paris clubrally in Texas. What was the auto in? A Lexus RX300 !!! Yes, that's the SUV.

At the Club level, driving skill varies so far across the board that it's really the only deciding factor. For instance, Tom Lawless regularly stomps on all the Evos in the NE Div with his G2 Honda Civic hatchback.

If you don't feel comfortable rallying a stick shift, or it's all you've got, and you only plan on rallying for fun, then by all means rally an automatic. However, the biggest issue is not that you won't be as competitive in the automatic now, so much that you'll be forever limiting your driving skills (by not learning to rally in a stick shift). Certainly no one should expect to win any Prorally class overall in an automatic...
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Old 11-26-2002, 12:39 PM   #10
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all my cars are MT....

anyhoo...
rallying w/an AT... it wont last but you can do it.
go on and rally it until the Tranny blows....
then you can just swap in an MT...

Lee Shadbolt started off in a 2.2 AT....
then after the AT tranny blew, he swapped in a MT
If you even so much as consider this, it is "a bit of work"
You'be been warned!

you're best off buying an MT and setting it up right from the get-go if you're serious about rallying.

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Old 11-26-2002, 12:43 PM   #11
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IIRC subie gal, your previous Legacy GT was auto ain't it? And you did rally it too right?
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Old 11-26-2002, 12:47 PM   #12
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i never did performance rally with the now deceased 4EAT GT...

i only did TSD type rally events - you go at a very easy pace, no hard shifting is really involved.. not rough on the tranny at all.

Performance rally is a completely different animal....

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