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Old 11-26-2002, 04:20 PM   #1
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Surprised this hasn't been posted already... but Jaguar FINALLY got their heads out of you know where and ditched Niki. Too bad they had to lose Rahal first...

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Old 11-26-2002, 05:09 PM   #2
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yup saw that this morn. I think it's called politics and Nikki had and in (lewinski) with someone.

I would have thought Rahal would have been the better choice. For the simple reason of his US business ties.
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Old 11-26-2002, 08:15 PM   #3
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Rahal was an amatuer when it came to running an F1 team. He deserved to be fired after anouncing he had signed adrian newey as designer when he didnt have a signed contract. That debarcle did the team harm and showed he was not up to the job. He mixed up friendship with business, which was very very stupid, especially so in the pirahna club of F1.

The moment Nicki fired Rahal, he signed his own death warant too, as he had no one else to lay the blame at, it was said at the time that Lauda wouldnt last the course.
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Old 11-26-2002, 09:08 PM   #4
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Rahal was an amatuer when it came to running an F1 team. He deserved to be fired after anouncing he had signed adrian newey as designer when he didnt have a signed contract. That debarcle did the team harm and showed he was not up to the job. He mixed up friendship with business, which was very very stupid, especially so in the pirahna club of F1.

The moment Nicki fired Rahal, he signed his own death warant too, as he had no one else to lay the blame at, it was said at the time that Lauda wouldnt last the course.
Yes of course. Americans just can't handle F-1. The fact is that the Europeans just fear us! Rahal could have been a great F-1 team principal if they would have let him. He just wasn't part of the "club". You are right about the Newey debacle though. That was a bad move, but should not have costed him his job.

I for one, am glad to see both Irvine and Lauda out of Jaguar. Not that I'm a Jaguar fan or anything, but they will suck slightly less that they did with those two idiots.
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Old 11-27-2002, 09:46 AM   #5
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Yes of course. Americans just can't handle F-1. The fact is that the Europeans just fear us! Rahal could have been a great F-1 team principal if they would have let him. He just wasn't part of the "club".
Huh, what are you talking about Fred? Why would Europeans fear Americans in Motor racing?

It's got bugger all to do with Bobbie's nationality. McLaren, one of the most sucessful teams in F1 history, started and run until his death by a New Zealander, Bruce McLaren. Minardi, run by an Australian. Ferrari, cheif designer South African.

Hate to break this to you, but Ford owns and controls the Jaguar programme, American arent they?

You normally talk some sense (well apart from JPM winning) but you are way off the mark here, he was fired because he was crap at the job, end of story.
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Old 11-27-2002, 10:36 AM   #6
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Jaguar is in a major sad state. Major job cuts and now Lauda is out. I can't believe I bought a Jaguar shirt at the USGP this year. Ford is really dumping money on that project. Too bad for 03 there is a good chance three other teams with Ford power will probably be outpacing Jaguar on a regular basis(Jordan, Minardi, and Arrows). Embarrising for FORD.
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Old 11-27-2002, 06:02 PM   #7
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Jaguar have cut 50 staff, but those are mostly in the non car design and racing side of the business such as corporate hospitality. This streamlining will make jaguar faster, thats the oficial line anyway.
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Old 11-30-2002, 03:15 AM   #8
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Fred Zaplitny -

I strongly *think* that nobody could have been expected to last at Jaguar without acheiving good results. While I personally like Bobby Rahal, I think that John Felstead was indeed correct: Bobby exercised poor judgement. Had he been more experianced he might have lasted longer. Rahal's departure shouldnt be taken as somehow being "un-American", although I think it is fairly obvious that the Jaguar F1 team is far more of a British orgainization, then an American one. Its just that the Ford executives (mostly Americans), who dont have a clue how to obtain good results in F1, and are perhaps looking for a gracefull way of cutting some of their expenditures.

While Niki can be credited with many improvements in the team, I dont think that he acheived good enough results to satisfy Ford's high expectations for the amounts of money they have blown. I give the team two more years (at most) before Ford finally concludes that being so thoughly trounced isnt an effective form of advertising. Money alone can never buy good results in F1. Ferrari have proven that over the years (1980 through 1999). Even with lots of money it takes time, percistance, specialized skills, and proper organization in order to acheive good results.

Oh... and for the record, While Niki was asked to step down, the current Jaguar management claim they would like to keep him on the team. They would rather he serve just at a much lower "advisery" level. I am not sure if Niki is willing to serve in that function, however.
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