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Old 11-27-2002, 09:37 AM   #1
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Lightbulb WRX vs R32

As a current VW owner I have read and heard a lot about the Upcomming VW Golf R32. With the proposed price of sub $30,000 USD what are the Scoobies thinking about this bad bit of krout comming from wolfsburg. AWD, 240 bhp Turbo 3.2 v6, 6spd tranny and a sick setup around this formitable powerplant: I for one am waiting to see the tests and comps. ya it is a bit slower 0-62mph (6.4sec) but...Would you consider getting one?
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Old 11-27-2002, 09:54 AM   #2
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Default Too pricey

I cant see justifying the $30,000 price for the R32. From a competitive standpoint VW's are usually much heavier which really hurts handling and acceleration. Add to that VW's heavy Audi derived AWD system and you will have a car that isnt even competitive in stock form with a WRX wagon for $8000 more. The interior is nice but it aint that nice!

With the STi and Evo coming out in the that price range with much better performance the VW is just not gonna be a good alternative. VW also needs to deal with their abysmal reliability record for the Golf based products.

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Old 11-27-2002, 10:03 AM   #3
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I am a VW owner (2000 GTI VR6) looking around for a "different" car. I may not be the audience you were trying to reach but here are my thoughts.

The R32 is a sweet looking machine that does a good job matching luxury with sport. Does it compare with the WRX...prob not. The WRX will most likely walk it on the track and at the strip (WRX with minor mods) will kill it. Does the WRX offer the scmoof styling and luxury amenities the R32 does? Ughhh never.
AWD in the VW is very awesome and I wish it would be the standard as it is with Sub.

Which will I buy? Not sure yet but with the R32 being a bit heavy it really negates the HP gain. Forgive me for not knowing the exact numbers.

Of'course the comments referring to the R32 are mostly specualtion considering we don't have one yet.

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Old 11-27-2002, 10:04 AM   #4
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i love GTI's and even though the new R32 is a little expensive to some..i still think that it will be a great car and a good starting point. they might be a little heavy..but a great car with potential none the less..
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Old 11-27-2002, 12:00 PM   #5
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Both machines are very nice. If the R32 were offered here there would be a huge debate on which is better. But seeing as how both cars were designed with different reasons in mind, there will be some differences. VW were designed with cheap luxury in mind. Look at the GTI, it's more luxurious than the WRX, with leather seats, heated seats, little things like that, but the WRX was designed as a "drivers" car. It was designed to be driven like a rally car. But I foresee that if you ask anyone/everyone, they're always going to say something to the effect that the R32 has a better interior, easily moded, and nice styling and for the WRX, they'll probably say, awesome handle (with different tires), easily modded, and made to be driven hard.
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Old 11-27-2002, 12:03 PM   #6
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I like it. It would suit me fine. I like the idea of having a potent V6 instead of the turbo, since I would not mod it anyway. The low end torque and hatchback are 2 things I would definitly enjoy.

The price is a bit steep, I wish it was closer to the WRX pricewise. For around 30k I would say forget the AWD and buy a G35 coupe.

The reliability is another issue that concerns me. My mom has a 01 Jetta VR6, 5000 miles and she already is having engine problems.
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Old 11-27-2002, 12:36 PM   #7
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Default Different Uses

In my opinion, the R32 will be a kick ass car. It is perfect for the american drag strip mentality, and there are already TONS of VR6 modifications that will no doubt make it a killer at the strip. The main problem with the current VR6 as a drag car is the fact that it is impossible to get all the power to the ground on a car with that much torque (when modified). AWD will alleviate this problem.

Now on a road course, I feel that the WRX will be more competitive. It is lighter, and better balanced. The VR6 is nose heavy, and can be made to handle pretty well, but it will cost more to make it competitive with a WRX, and even more so to catch an STi.

The R32 will be VERY fun to drive, it will be a great street car, and it will be modifiable to the extent of insanity... as long as you can keep buying new rubber for the wheels.
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Old 11-27-2002, 12:39 PM   #8
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Default Re: WRX vs R32

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...AWD, 240 bhp Turbo 3.2 v6, 6spd tranny...
it will not be boosted.
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Old 11-27-2002, 12:49 PM   #9
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Default About the R32

For a golf, If it does make it to the US, it will most likely be the best one yet, - But in all honesty -

30K is alot of money! And depending on your taste, you can get some sweet rides (new or used) that I would consider before the R32

Lets see - it's competion $$$$ wise :

Heavily modded WRX
WRX STi
EVO Lancer
Used C5 Corvette
1993 Ferrari 308 Quattrovalvole
Used S4

As you can see, it all depends on what your into :

My personal opinion = I like the R32 for what it is, but in the end, it is only becomes another competitor, as i most likely will choose something else other than the R32 to burn 30 k on ....

Just my .02 cents

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Old 11-27-2002, 12:51 PM   #10
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The R32 is puurrrrrrrdy. Puuuuuurdy VW, Puuuurdy VW.
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Old 11-27-2002, 01:14 PM   #11
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VW is out of their minds with that car. no doubt it's a great looking car, but they're going to price themselves out of the market. you can get WAY more performance for $5-$10K less, or way more car for the same ammount of money. the current GTi is too expensive, too heavy, and too plush to compete in the $20K performance compact market. 60 more hp for an additional $10 grand isn't going to help things.

seriously, if i had $30K (before dealers mark them up since they're a 'rare collectible' model) to burn, i wouldn't even look at that car. for that kind of money, i'd be at a mercedes dealer checking out the C-class hatchback, which will be a much better car in the end, and offer about equal performance.

think about it, for the same ammount of money, you could get into:
a G35 or 350Z coupe
an audi TT (not going to perform much better, but is a much more 'desireable' car, IMO)
a used S4
a used NSX
an E36 M3
a used stock WRX and plenty of mods...
build an RS-T from hell
an old 16v MKII GTi and build it so it will hand that R32 it's arse on a road course any day of the week, and still have $20K left in the bank.
a skyline R32 GT-R from motorex
a used boxster/911/etc.
C5 corvette, even though they're not my bag...
import a GC8 WRX, and buy a wrecked impreza for it's VIN plates...

the list goes on and on...granted a lot of these aren't new cars, but like i said, the stakes have been raised substantially in the US in the last few months. a few years ago, the R32 would have been a tremendous car, but now you've got cars like the SRT-4 that are easily $10K less, and outperform it.
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Old 11-27-2002, 01:59 PM   #12
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To all that replied:
I just wanted to see the opinions of the new "Dub" comming out. If I were to spent that kind of Bling on a new ride it would not be on a R32 either. 350Z bone stock runs faster, is $5000 less, RWD and for the $5000 that I saved you better bet that I would build a ride that would smoke most rides. But my list would go on and on:
Evo VII - more $$$ yes but oh my god!
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I think that VW will as stated "out price itself", but it would be a nice ride.

By the way, I am leaning towards a WRX, for my next baby
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Old 11-27-2002, 03:33 PM   #13
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They should have used the 2.7 T. Then we would have a car that could compete with the WRX (and STI), Lancer, and 350Z (I'm still not a big fan). Oh, the tuning options will that motor . The fact that we can ring 260+ horsepower out of a 2.0 STI is cooler anyway.
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Old 11-28-2002, 02:49 AM   #14
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Man! I was getting all excited to see a track video of a Skyline and a WRX when I saw the title... Oh well, I guess you can't have everything.

I'd take a used S4 over the VW R32, but I'll keep my WRX in lieu of either one, thanks.

(though I'd rather have the new Volvo S60 R, myself)

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Old 11-28-2002, 01:39 PM   #15
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AWD, 240 bhp Turbo 3.2 v6, 6spd tranny
R32 is NA, not turbo.
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Old 11-28-2002, 11:34 PM   #16
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ah here is my turf. i just went from a gti to a 2.5rs and i was very active in the vw comunity. heres the deal on the r32. It will be nicer car in the sense of the whole package. It will hav a nicer interior, it will in my opinion look better, it has quattro which i think is a tit bit better than the subaru awd, it has that nice new vr6 they came up with, and its a dub so its just pimp. but the wrx... is faster. Its lighter and just flat out faster. the r32 has unimpressive 0-60 times. So its a tossup, you sacrafice the whole package for speed with the wrx, but the r32 is a bit slower and the whole package. Heres my final thought... turbo r32
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Old 11-30-2002, 12:27 PM   #17
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I think that many people arent giving the respect the R32 deserves, just because

A) it costs a little more than a WRX, and
B) they think its going to weigh a ton more.

The thing is the weight difference between a WRX and a R32 will be fairly negligable, R32 being a tad over 3200 lbs, and the WRX being a tad under. Remember having one passanger will easily cancel out the weight advantage. The R32 I bet will perform on about the same level stock as a WRX. althought the R32 is definatly more road oriented. The R32 in a way also offers a bridge from say the WRX to the Audi S4. And not to put too fine a point on it, but If you ask your girlfriend/boyfriend which interior they would rrather sit in, I garentee they will say the R32. Although that is not meant to dispute the claim that in terms of value, the WRX is an undenialy better value.
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Old 11-30-2002, 02:16 PM   #18
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Maybe the R32 will have a feature that no other VW has ever had: a reliable electrical system.

That's probably a tad much to ask, I guess.

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Old 11-30-2002, 03:43 PM   #19
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i almost bought a gti 337 instead of my wrx (had deposits on both before i took the wrx). the car was great but i just couldn't see spending over $400 per on a golf. don't get me wrong, i loved that car, and in many ways i liked it better than the wrx. BUT for the same monthly payment (and cheaper insurance) i have the wrx, and 7k to the golf and i just can't see it.

hands down the wrx was a killer compared to the 337. it's built like a tank and out performs it everywhere. also after some mods i actually prefer the look of the wrx to the golf (i know, i'm the only one). the interior and plush comfort no doubt goes to the vw, any vw for that matter (besides the 70's busses )the r32 may be more in the performance ballpark with the wrx, but still i can't see spending 30k on a golf when there is soo much else out there for that amount of cake.

it's all personal preference though, it's going to be a sick car no doubt............

i guess 30k ain't so bad for the r32, i saw a jetta glx with some upgardes stickering for 31k at the dealer yesterday
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Old 12-01-2002, 03:27 AM   #20
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I have to agree,

for that price range the Lancer EVO or the WRX STI is money better spent. I am also kind of disapointed that VW has stepped away from the 80's and maybe early 90's stripped down hot hatch and seems to be trying to attempt to build their own overpriced/underpowered M3.
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Old 12-01-2002, 04:23 AM   #21
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Disclaimer: I don't own a VW or a Subaru, so my opinion is that of someone that's shopping around and hopefully somewhat objective.

That being said, I don't feel that it's fair to compare the price of a NEW R32 with that of used vehicles. A lot of people would rather buy new, so lets compare apples to apples here.

Secondly, the GTI, which sells for less than the WRX, is miles ahead of it in both style and build quality. Ask any non-car person, they will tell you the WRX looks and feels cheap. The R32 will be about blending performance with style and "luxury". The WRX and its rally brethren are about performance, period.

Sometimes, It's not all about performance!

And FYI, a G35 coupe cannot be had for less than $30k, if you want a manual transmission.

However, the bottom line is, who will pay $30k for a GOLF? Not this guy.
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Old 12-01-2002, 11:29 AM   #22
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I read the review over at vwvortex, its a great review. They seem to think it is going to cost closer to 32k, that is if it comes at all.

Now if the RE32 is about blending performance with luxery, it is doing what the Audi A4, the BMW xi, and other sport luxery cars are doing but just from the other end. Maybe it brings a little more performance and less luxery then the others, but now I am left thinking what is the point?
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Old 12-01-2002, 04:18 PM   #23
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R32 is like having your most comfortable seat / sofa fitted witha v6 rocket. Fast in a ctraight line but..........wait for it.+$% Shock!!! a corner Oh No! The Impreza wins a gain! We have driven this car in the Uk and we where less than impresed
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Old 12-02-2002, 04:17 AM   #24
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first off .. i give mad props to some of you WRX owners for your fairly subjective posts ... and not those "my car is better than your car attitudes"

i think most of you have said what i would say

the R32 and WRX are completely different purpose built cars

the R32 is a german street car that was meant to be driven on the streets for high performance and overall comfort and luxury in mind

the WRX is a rally developed car meant to be driven on the courses and offroad setting

the R32 is filled with confort in seating, styling (body kit, dual exhaust), amentities (HID, sports seats), and quiet interior

the reason for the R32's downfall in performance is because it was built for a different purpose .. its got heavy insolation blah blah .. so its a lil heavier

but considering its a V6 AWD it holds its own

it uses a haldex AWD system which is not like the S4/A4 Quattro system ... the haldex is used in the Audi TT and VW 4motion and also in Volvo AWD systems ...

the WRX definitely is the performer .. with simple mods you can get that thing to go fast and handle like crazy

but in the end, it comes down to driver skill right

but when it comes to styling and comfort, the R32 wins by far

for the price, 30k aint bad considering what you get .. you are comparing the WRX or regular GTI's which doesnt have what the R32 has

considering the 18" wheels, HID headlights, sport seats, body kit, sound system, navigation computer ... that will add up to $5 or so ... so that explains price differences .. take all that out ... and you got the price range of a GTI and a WRX ...

just my thoughts ...

also the G35 coupe is 35k plus

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And not to put too fine a point on it, but If you ask your girlfriend/boyfriend which interior they would rrather sit in, I garentee they will say the R32. Although that is not meant to dispute the claim that in terms of value, the WRX is an undenialy better value.
hahaha .. i like that quote .. but its true ... and ill bet if you ask the same question about the exterior .. most will wanna sit in the R32

but on the track .. give me a WRX

also, when we buy a car .. we buy it for a balance of features ... if i wanna drag speed car, .. i wouldnt get either ... id put my money on a SS Camaro any day ...

so its able a balance
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Old 12-03-2002, 12:01 PM   #25
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i don tknow if its true but i read somewhere that the r32 wasnt going to be able to make it to the states. is this true? i think tat the r32 is pretty dope from the pics ive seen and on paper it looks pretty impressive but i think ill stick with my wrx.
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