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Old 11-27-2002, 04:31 PM   #1
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Hey boys and girls!

Quick question for you: I did a search on this forum for this, but could not really find any specific info.

My newly bought 2002 Impreza TS is approaching 12000 kms. The car has been showing the signs of the famous "morning clutch shudder". In fact, the problem is getting worse and worse every day.

(I used to live in Montreal, and know quite a few people for the Montreal Subaru Club, so I have heard that this quite a common problem with the clutch -- I bought the car here, however)

I have an appointment at Docksteader service next week, and I am wondering if anybody was able to get the clutch changed/repaired under warranty? If so, which dealer did you go to? I'd like to have as many arguments as I can about that problem...

Thank you. And I apologize if this has been discussed in here before. I did use the search function..
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Old 11-27-2002, 05:13 PM   #2
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i had my clutch replaced. they did the flywheel too. it was written up as defective/warranty replacement. but when that happened it never went away, warm or cold.... it was really brutal to drive

with the new stuff i still get some minor chatter on cold mornings. but when things warm up it goes away.
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Old 11-27-2002, 05:48 PM   #3
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with the new stuff i still get some minor chatter on cold mornings. but when things warm up it goes away.
Yup, same here, it eventually goes away too. But you have to ride the clutch MUCH more than usual for it to disappear.

If you don't, the whole car shakes, that *can't* be good for the transmission. And it went from being just on cold morning, to being all mornings, to happening after the car has been parked for 3-4 hours.

As I said, it *does* go away eventually, but it definitely is not how the clutch should work on a new car...

Thank you for your reply.
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Old 11-27-2002, 06:42 PM   #4
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I've had morning clutch shudder pretty much since my car was new (now over 18,000km and still going strong ). The options are to do an agressive clutch slipping launch or ignore it until it warms up. Let us know what Docksteader says/does about it.
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Old 11-27-2002, 09:11 PM   #5
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Yup, just like Okeo said, my clutch shudder started to go away after a while. I also brought my car into Specialty to get the clutch shudder looked at, and they just said my clutch is ok - no need to replace or repair.
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Old 11-27-2002, 11:01 PM   #6
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Yup, just like Okeo said, my clutch shudder started to go away after a while. I also brought my car into Specialty to get the clutch shudder looked at, and they just said my clutch is ok - no need to replace or repair.
So is it still doing it in the morning or not?
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Old 11-28-2002, 01:32 AM   #7
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I don't have clutch problem...wait... I don't even have clutch
get to love the auto
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Old 11-28-2002, 04:22 PM   #8
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i had my clutch replaced. they did the flywheel too. it was written up as defective/warranty replacement. but when that happened it never went away, warm or cold.... it was really brutal to drive

with the new stuff i still get some minor chatter on cold mornings. but when things warm up it goes away.
I was told by a dealer that a clutch is a wear and tear item, and therefore would not be possible to have it replaced under warranty.
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Old 11-28-2002, 05:34 PM   #9
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All this time I thought it had to do with the pressure plate..
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Old 11-28-2002, 10:54 PM   #10
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All this time I thought it had to do with the pressure plate..
Well, from the people I know that had it changed under warranty for the problem I am describing, they actually do three things:
  • Change the clutch disc
  • Change the pressure plate
  • Re-surface the flywheel

So maybe you're not totally wrong.
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Old 11-29-2002, 01:18 AM   #11
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I dont have much chatter, but I am having problems getting mine into 1st gear, and reverse.

When I try to get it into reverse it even grinds sometimes with the clutch fully depressed, and it even ginded when I was shifting into 4th today?

Have you experienced this problem?

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Old 11-29-2002, 01:20 PM   #12
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I dont have much chatter, but I am having problems getting mine into 1st gear, and reverse.
Well, yes, sometimes the first and the reverse gear are hard to engage.. For the first, it won't let me engage it until my speed drops below approx. 25 km/h. As for the reverse, I never force things, so I sometimes go back to 5th, and then the reverse gear will engage better.

But I have never experienced grinding with the clutch pedal fully depressed, like you mentioned. That sounds a little weird.
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Old 11-29-2002, 01:58 PM   #13
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since reverse has no synchros, you have to come to almost a complete stop before you pop it into reverse. otherwise, you will hear and feel a grinding noise regardless of how far down you're stepping on the clutch. My clutch still shudders once in a while, but not as often as before.
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Old 11-29-2002, 09:25 PM   #14
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Reverse is just a PITA to get into the first thing in the morning, despite double clutching and what not

As for the clutch chatter, Steve at Specialty said "Huh? I've never heard of that" even though I know Penphoe, Ken and other people have mentioned it before. Go figure.
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Old 11-29-2002, 09:47 PM   #15
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As for the clutch chatter, Steve at Specialty said "Huh? I've never heard of that" even though I know Penphoe, Ken and other people have mentioned it before. Go figure.
Hmm... Well, I am just afraid I will be given the same kind of treatment next week when I go for my scheduled service...

Even though it's a common problem, and one that Subaru Canada has actually worked on. We'll see, keeping my fingers crossed.
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Old 12-06-2002, 05:11 PM   #16
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BUMP.

Wanted to let you know guys how things worked out... maybe this could help some of you.

Well, I had my maintenance service yesterday at Docksteader's. I left the car last night so they could try the clutch in the morning.

Called me back this morning saying that they had experienced the shudder, and that they would change the clutch assembly under warranty.

Right now, they have contacted Subaru Canada, and I am on a list to get the new clutch assembly. Don't know how long it will take, however.

I'll let you know how things go on that front.
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Old 12-06-2002, 07:01 PM   #17
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Of course the clutch is a wear and tear item. Every time you depress the clutch, it bite into the spinning flywheel. These people have it under warrenty because it's a premature failure or defective workmanship. I read at the noob form that SOA is aware of the problem but since it's not a dangerous problem, there won't be a recall.
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Old 12-07-2002, 07:31 PM   #18
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i heard something similar as well. a recall is issued only when there is a safety hazard concern, such as seat heaters catching fire (audi?) or your power steering pump fails (GM minivans)... unforuntately a shuddering clutch is not considered to be a hazard... athough the headache it created for me rattling my noggin and loose change all over the place says otherwise
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Old 12-07-2002, 09:00 PM   #19
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Damn...remind me not to fart while I'm sitting in an Audi. You should read the new investagation US feds are doing. One GM engine back fires, cracking the intake manifold and causing fuel leak. I'm surprise Toyota, Honda, and Nissan are all being investagated too.
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